Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #1: RAB
August 1, 2005 | Harry Potter
As I mentioned previously I fancy having a go at working out what is going on in the world of Harry Potter. I’m going to split my theories up into a series of posts, each about a different element of the books. Since I’ve already mentioned him this one is going to be about RAB.
RAB are the initials of a character mentioned towards the end of book 6, Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. The initials are found in a message which is in a locket which is, initially at least, thought to be a Horcrux. The message reads:
To the Dark Lord I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match you will be mortal once more.
R.A.B.
When I read the book a single name sprang to mind immediately; Regulus Black. But how can we be sure this is correct? Obviously there is no way to be 100% certain, but I find it hard to believe the solution would be that straight forward…
Arguments FOR Regulus Black
The idea that Regulus Black is RAB is by far the most popular conclusion and there seems to be lots of things that pop up confirming the theory.
The letter refers to the ‘Dark Lord’ rather than Voldemort, or ‘he who must not be named’. Only Death Eaters call Voldermort the Dark Lord so this is our first clue that the person is Regulus since he is a Death Eater who ran away.
In the Order of the Phoenix chapter 6, ‘the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black’ it is mentioned that Sirius, Regulus Brother, had an uncle named Alphard who left the ‘a decent bit of gold’ and, apparently, 12 Grimmauld Place - the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix. Using names from relatives is fairly common practice in the UK. We know this has happened in the past, Ginnies middle name is Molly (her mothers name), so it’s not inconceivable that the A is his uncles initial passed down.
In the same book a ‘heavy locket that none of them could open’ is mentioned which is found in 12 Grimmauld Place, it couldn’t be opened and was thrown away, but we later learn that Kreacher, the house elf, has stolen the it. Could this be the Horcrux that was replaced by the locket that Dumbledore and Harry found?
Arguments AGAINST Regulus Black
Hands up, I don’t have ANY sort of argument against Regulus Black being RAB, apart from my gut feeling that it’s so obvious that it can’t be true. It has been speculated the R.A.B. is the initials for two people, R And B - but I find the unlikely as well. If it was R and B then the a would be little and wouldn’t have a full stop after it. In fact R and B would most likely be written that way and not made to look like a single person.
Speculation
What people don’t realise is that Sirius Black is a false name,’ says Mrs Purkiss. ‘The man people believe to be Sirius Black is actually Stubby Boardman, lead singer of popular singing group The Hobgoblins, who retired from public life after being struck on the ear by a turnip at a concert in Little Norton Church Hall nearly fifteen years ago. I recognised him the moment I saw his picture in the paper. Now, Stubby couldn’t possibly have committed those crimes, because on the day in question he happened to be enjoying a romantic candlelit dinner with me. I have written to the Minister for Magic and am expecting him to give Stubby, alias Sirius, a full pardon any day now.
I’m guessing this is a reference to Regulus since we know Sirius was there ‘the day in question’ (although he IS innocent). Also in an earlier chapter Sirius mentions that Regulus died 15 years previously, which would be the same year Harry’s parents were killed, and probably before Sirius was taken to Azkaban. JK rarely mentions anything without some sort of reason so is this is some sort of proof that Regulus didn’t die and just went into hiding (as a rock star?).
I do wonder if too much thought is being put into the whole RAB issue, and it’s just a red herring and not overly important… Everyone is speculating on this and forgetting about the more ‘important’ issues in the rest of the story.
If you could keep comments ontopic that would be great - I’m looking forward to seeing what people think.
Article Series
this post is part of a series of articles - why don't you check out the others below?
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #1: RAB
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #2: Dumbledore
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #3: Snape
- Harry Potter Theories
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theories #4
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August 2, 2005
Well, I think you are completely right in this one…
But I think that Regulus will play a big role in book 7…
Here is another one:
Miss figg, harry’s neighbour is definetley someone in disguise using polyjuice..the smell of cabbage, polyjuice smells like cabbage… That is why I think its aberforth.. DDs brother….
August 2, 2005
i fink u r correct about RAB, it all makes sense but i suppose well just havew to wait and see.
However i dont think snape is good as dd said in book 6 i am a wise wizard who makes few mistakes but when i do they are big ones, this could be hintin a mistake on snape, mayb
August 2, 2005
I think regulus is dead, if he was alive, how could Harry get #12, if would havebeen passed on to the next male desendant by the name of black, which would be regulus
August 2, 2005
Interesting - I hadn’t thought of that. I still think the quote I mentioned is significant in some way, but maybe not the way I said
August 3, 2005
You’ve mentioned one person- RAB, and two people (R and B) How about three people? If a list is compiled of everyone with the initials R, A, or B, there might (possibly) be a connection… ?? I doubt this though, because it is written singular “I have stolen…” Some of these are not even real possibilities, just thought I’d list them, please add to it.
R: Regulus, Rookwood, Rosmerta, Remus
A: Aberforth, Alphard, Albus, Andromeda (as in Tonks’ mom)
B: Borgin, Burke, Black, Bellatrix, Bertha (Jorkins)
August 4, 2005
oh btw, ben, where does it mention that ginny’s middle name is molly? cos i dont recall seeing it anywere… ?? but yes i agree with u about the issue that they had the habit of giving family member names…tom marvolo would be a most prominent example
August 4, 2005
to #3:
maybe u dont necessarily hav to be dead, but just being thought dead by everyone will automatically remove u off d list of heirs to grimmauld place?? not so sure about this one though…
August 4, 2005
erm…just had a straaaaange thought…i dont really believe in it at all, but just thought id share it…..but i just remembered that the lestranges are called Rodolphus and Bellatrix (R a B)…the only thing is that theyre too obsessed abt voldy to try vanquish him…and it also makes them 2 qualified wizard/witch, and dumbledore said only 1 qualified wizard would manage at the same time…
August 4, 2005
Interview with JK Rowling - she mentions the middle names of some of the characters right at the bottom
August 4, 2005
sorry about the last post,
just wanted to say that I agree with every word you say, it’s only common sense that indicated that RAB is really Regulus Black.
Although it was a little too obvious that many people would think of Regulus, and I suspect that JK doesn’t tend to be so obvious so it might justbe another character, but that’s only stating the obvious.
In my opinion Regulus is the one in question and therefore I totaly agree with you!!
August 4, 2005
im pretty sure rab is regulus, but i dont really think he’s still alive somehow…BUT i think that theres a mine of info in kreacher, whom i believe has assisted regulus by either forcing down the potion or drinkin d potion himself….but then….why is it that kreacher NEVER mentions regulus at all???
August 5, 2005
ALSO! i found this on that website -
Rorujin: How is Dobby able to apparate inside Hogwarts if no one else can?
JK Rowling replies -> He’s a house-elf, they’ve got powers wizards haven’t got (but wizards have also got powers that house-elves haven’t).
When Dumbledore is facing Draco on the tower - Dobby and kreacher were supposed to be there. Does that mean maybe Dobby (even kreacher, highly doubtful) did some sort of Elven magic? Do they have the magic to save people? Or was this statement just a cover-up for a certain loop-hole? Another theory
August 5, 2005
dobby and kreacher wouldnt have been in the tower unless summoned, and i dont recall them being called at any time that evening. also, as kreacher now belongs to harry he will only answer to his master.
i just think that jkr had said that statement to coverup to loophole that house elves can apparate inside the castle while humans cant, but she might end up using this theory later on
August 6, 2005
Wow. Just heard a great theory, not really related to the RAB situation but puts some of the Harry Potter issues into focus. Could it be possible that Snape is actually still doubling? It’s pushing the limits but when Dumbledore was pleading to Snape, he could of been wanting Snape to kill him so that he could continue his doubling. Notice how he didnt seem to hurt any of the other “good guys.” When really, he could of beat them all, I mean he is the half-blood prince (dead giveaway after his expression about harry being good at potions, and given away after the sectasempra accident) and the creator of the sectasempra spell (or however you spell it). I’m sure that Snape has a lot more in him than what people think. However it could still be pushing the limits however, an idea.
August 6, 2005
In response to Reply 5, Albus wouldn’t fit because he wouldn’t of gone back to get the horcrux if he had already partcipated in ridding of it in the first place. However, still a good theory.
August 6, 2005
not to be rude or anything but besides i thought this was a good accusation, i have brains, a skull, tissue, blood and many more good things…
August 6, 2005
also to support middle name theory ‘harry james potter’
August 6, 2005
www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com
August 6, 2005
With all the theories that dumbledore is dead, i think we will have to wait till book 7. But for the time being we can only imagine:) and i can’twait for the fourth movie.
August 6, 2005
#18 chloe - I don’t agree that Dumbledore is till alive (will post why in the future) but it’s an interesting read, and I think some of the points mentioned will be significant in the future.
#12 Rob - I don’t remember any mention of Kreacher and Dobby being on the tower. The interview in post #9 was done last year.
August 6, 2005
#18 i think dumbledore is dead in my opinion because:
JkR wanted everyone to jump
Harry said why snape was a liar
and 3 we just have to accept his death
I also dont get why dumbledore didnt just show harry the memory with horcruxes first then teach him dark arts or something. I dont see how it helps to explain how “Vol demort is his own grampaw”
August 6, 2005
i also agree that dumby is dead, but im also sure that he left some means of communication with the physical world, something such as the portrait in d office or something or the sort
August 6, 2005
#22 maybe he could have put his mind,thoghts,etc… in the pensieve or something, so it would be like a giant reference book. So harry could find all of the answers and it would be like asking dumby.
he could have also made a connection like malfoy made to get the death eaters into the school. but from the dead world to the real world. so he can come back. or he may have made a horcrux. which i doubt, or it could have been like tom riddles book in the second movie.
August 7, 2005
to #23
i dont really see dumbledore making a horcrux somehow, i get the feeling that u hav to be somewhat evil to do that, and dumbledore wouldnt kill for the purpose of immortality. he wouldnt stay preaching to harry about the strenght of love is more than that of hate if he were d type to produce a horcrux
August 7, 2005
#24
Dumbledore could have made a horcrux from when he killed a death eater attacking him.
August 7, 2005
Also dumbledore may have let snape kill him for the porpose of getting closer to voldemort. If snape killed dumbledore then voldemort would trust snape. and once snape got able to be close to voldemort with nobody around he could either weaken him or kill him.
August 7, 2005
About a passage i bet that one of the trinkets in dumbledores office can do something that harry will need. but the only problem is that mcgonagall doesnt know how to use them, most likely. so harry will have to zone out inclass to hear dumbledore tell him something.
August 8, 2005
to xcelion…
i agree with u that dumbledore made snape kill him on purpose, which would explain the argument between d two, and also why dumbledore immobilised harry.
i rather think that by “please…severus” dumbledore meant please kill me, not please save my life…it seems too odd having the greatest wizard of all times begging for his life, it just doesnt fit.
during his seventh year i hav a feeling that harrry will return to hogwarts for a short time, just enough to have a chat with the dumbledore in the portrait, and yes, maybe he figures out how to use one of those weird objects in dumbledore’s office, unless that is, mcgonagall would have removed em or something of the sort
August 8, 2005
dont forget that dumbledore did kill dark wizards such as grindelaw( or something like that) Also the interview with jk proves my points, she says regulus is dead!
August 8, 2005
i think regulus had managed to get his hands on the locket with kreacher’s help, but then the deatheaters caught up wit him befor he managed to destroy it…
and i seriously doubt dumbledore has any horcruxes running around….just cos he killed it dont mean he decided to split his soul….he’s just not evil enough to do that
August 8, 2005
fine ginny, illl give up on my “dumbledore made a horcrux theory” you win that one.
August 9, 2005
Kreacher removed more than just the locket from the trash bin. I wonder if any of the other objects he removed could be horcruxes.
August 9, 2005
i think snape is going to go out looking for the horcruxes, he probly just killed dumbledore coz he asked him to do whatever it would take for the death eaters and voldemort to trust him. and he needed bellatrix to trust him so he did the unbreakable vow with narcissa.
August 9, 2005
thanks xcelion =)
to cheri @ #33
it would make harry’s life way too easy if he suddenly finds all d horcruxes in grimmauld place. also, sirius had said that d death eaters had only taken a few days to catch up with regulus….how many horcruxes could he hav found in a few days if it took dumbledore such a long time???
and yes, i agree that snape is good *nods*
August 9, 2005
I think we need a new topic to discuss now…..ill try and think of something
August 9, 2005
xcelion….how about….”why on earth didnt kreacher get beheaded yet along with his ancestors if he’s so useless?!?!” as a topic??? lol
August 9, 2005
alright, that could be something
August 9, 2005
or else how about: -
lavender, who we know is somewhat obsessed with trelawny, was once told by her to beware a red haired man - why is it that she ended up nuts over won-won? - as a topic?
yes i know these topics of mine are boring…sowwyyyyyy
August 9, 2005
screw wat i said, we can still talk about dumbledore.
August 9, 2005
i’ve just read a great theory that kreacher accompanied regulus n drank the liquid4him. that makes sense, cos regulus wouldnt respect krecher so thats why he wrote “I” on the note. as krecher is a elf itd prob let him across the water, even tho he’s magical. if its not him what dya think bout an animagis accompyin him across the water cos surely the water wouldnt realise that the animal was magical? let me no wot ya think
August 9, 2005
to xcelion - sorry mate was only jokin around a bit….
to danielle - it dont make a difference if it was elf or animagus for the boat, it could even hav been an underage wizard for all we know, like harry for example. the boat is fit for one person and not likely to detect the presence of two living beings, whatever they may be…its almost definately kreacher who accompanied regulus on his trip to retrieve the horcrux. jkr wouldnt hav entrusted the elf to harry if he didnt hav any relevance in the upcoming plot
August 9, 2005
ginny- thanks for ur comments, im still trying to get my head around all the theories. what do u think about the death of dumbledore? do u think that he or sirius could come back? i personally think not as it would go against everything that jkr has ever said about death in the magical world. apparently lilly has a big secret that is exposed in the 7th book, cant wait! let me no wot ya think
August 9, 2005
oh and by the way, kreacher has already played a big part in the sixth part, for he was ordered to follow Draco whilst in hogwarts. dobby also agreed to follow draco, though this obviously wasnt an order. as for that, who now “owns” the elves at hogwarts? McGonnagal as she is headmistress? (if she continues to be in book7) thanks let me know what you think again
August 10, 2005
i think dumbledore will come back as a ghost or at least help harry with the horcruxes as a potrait giving him hints and stuff. i also think aberforth will help harry and go with him if hes as powerful as dumbledore?
August 10, 2005
dumbledore himself tells us in book 4 (i think) that aberforth was something of an idiot, so i dont think he’l help harry much…also i dont think that dumbledore will be back physically…as regards sirius, i really hav no idea as jkr didnt give sufficient info about the veil nd stuff…personally i think she left it a bit unexplained on purpose…
the house elves at hogwarts are “owned by whoever is next headmaster/mistress…
well since slughorn spent half his teaching year rambling on about lily’s abilities at potions, and since she was in the same year at snape, then yes, she might play a very important role in book 7…..d only thing which doesnt fit is that in the pensieve harry saw snape calling his mother a mudblood, which isnt the kind thing u tell someone u like, unless that is, he was feeling doubly humitiated at being saved by a muggleborn girl
August 10, 2005
Continuation from previous e-mail 9/08/05 (Books 1 and 2)
Could not decipher any significant clues in book 3
Book 4
P23 – Harry was a 1 year old when his mother and father died.
I believe Dumbledore to be dead and his portrait will help Harry cast a memory spell, the memory of when he was 1 would then be placed in the pensieve in order to discover what exactly happened. Harry will discover he has the Ancient Magic spell of Lily in him and the horcrux Voldmort placed in him.
P557 – Voldemort used Harry blood to revive himself, this aided Voldemort as he can now touch Harry but Lily’s spell has also entered his body. This could help Harry when he fights Voldemort. When Voldemort cast spells on Harry as this also affects Voldemort.
P565 – Voldemort says
“there are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead,
one too cowardly to return – he will pay (Karkorff ?)
one who has left me – he will be killed (Regulus)
one who remains my faithful servant – he will re-enter my service (Snape)
Now re=reading books 5 and 6
August 10, 2005
i dont think the big secret about lilly is going to be anthing to do with snape liking her or anything like that, its too unlike jkr to do that. however i think it might be somethin to do with why james and lilly ended up together. we know from snapes memory that lilly desliked james at hogwarts, and when harry asked lupin and sirius bout it they said that they just grew up (or rather james did) and that they then fell for eachother. i think jkr hasnt gone into enough detail here and so this could have something to do with the big secret. i think snape hated james too much that he wouldnt want to like lilly knowing that james did, he would want nothing to do with either of them. wormtail is going to play a big part, he owes harry his life, and snape still owes james his, therefore since james is dead he must owe this to harry instead? god this is complicated
August 10, 2005
I can’t decide if RAB is Regulus - it does seem rather like a red herring. But I am convinced that Regulus is alive, but he didn’t go into hiding as a rock star - he’s Crookshanks! On the other board, someone mentioned the relationships of Sirius’s name meaning dog and Regulus’s meaning lion (or cat). As further evidence, I offer the following: Crookshanks has lion-like features (orange mane), he was at the magical menagerie for a LONG time (PoA), he knew how to freeze the Whomping Willow (PoA), he loved Sirius immediately (PoA, OotP) and immediately hated Scabbers (Pettigrew), and both Harry and Ron got the feeling there was something unusual about him (in PoA).
August 10, 2005
lol i like rachel’s theory about crookshanks! it would be funny really, but i dont think jkr would make crrokshanks somebody else, that story has already been done with scabbers (peter pettigrew). i think jkr is going to introduce so many new plots and suprises in book7 that none of us could have ever geussed! although the plot for book7 is set out (harry finding horcruxes and killing voldemort - hopefully!) there is undoubtedly going to be some very major twists. as many people are mentioning, it is going to be hard for jkr to put the discovery and destroyance of all horcruxes, AND the finale with voldemort AND all the other things that will need to be in there in a book that is going to be shorter than half blood prince! it doesnt make sense how even a talented writer such as jkr could do that, which is really confusing me (amongst other things obviously!)
August 10, 2005
why does it take so long for people to reply in this blog lol, only kidding just abit bored……. hehe
August 10, 2005
Sorry about that Danielle - I’ll ship some new readers straight away
I don’t have time to reply to everything, but some of the ideas people are coming up with are very interesting.
I’m going to write a post about either Dumbledore or Snape at the weekend. Not sure how interested people will be in it but it will be interesting for me to write.
August 10, 2005
Rachel does have an interesting theory and I had at one time wondered if Crookshanks might turn out to be an animagus, however, I read in an interview with JKR that Crookshanks is a Kneazle.
August 10, 2005
to Ben, lol thankyou it would be fantastic if you could do that lol. i think it is because i am in the uk and not all readers are who are in this blog site, so therefore there is a time difference, or it could just be that nobody finds my posts interesting anough to reply to! as far your theories, of course we will always want to hear about them, this is what this place is for! here from you again soon.
To Cheri, where did you read that interview? it certainly sounds interesting lol!
August 10, 2005
sorry to squash all rumours about crrokshanks being an animagus, but i have just read that this cannot be true, as jkr said this herself! any of you who do not wish to believe me can go on the mugglenet website, where you will find this! it is also a great website so have a look around!
August 10, 2005
got a brand new thoery for r.a.b, amy benson was at the orphanage with tom riddle? maybe had a first name bedore amy beginning with R? possibilty? lol
August 10, 2005
hi i read the theory from post 56 on another blog site, howver ive just thought, wasnt amy a muggle? therefore cant be her lol
August 11, 2005
Hi Danielle
I’ve not used a blog before and did not know you actually reply to people. You and the others on the site have come up with some great theories and I agree with RAB being Regulus Black.
In your message dated 9/8/05 you mention Lily’s big secret. I posted my first message to this site on that date but it has not come up yet. It explains my theory on Lily’s secret. So I hope it gets posted soon, would like to know your views on it.
I’m off work at the moment as I tore some ligaments in my ankle, so all I’ve been thinking about is theories on book 7.
August 11, 2005
To Danielle
I believe I read it on Mugglenet, but can not be sure. Even though I have been a big HP fan, I have just started going on to websites since reading book 6 and have read so many things recently I am not sure.
August 11, 2005
To Danielle
I just remembered where I read that Crookshanks is part Kneazle. JKRowling.com
August 11, 2005
hi cheri, i am also a big fan of mugglenet, and after posting that blog, i went on for a casusal look and found on there that Crookshanks is actually half Kneazle. jkr however has stated that crrokshanks is definately not an animagus.
to Joy Anthony, thankyou for your views and welcome to this blog site! my first post didnt appear either, but my second one (and every one ever since) has appeared straight away! so i think you could be wise in writing your theory about Lilly again… Sorry! i am very interested in all the different things to do with the different topics in hp! however please do not say that snape is going to be harrys father because i simply cannot cope with that theory any longer! lol! again, check out mugglenet for confirmation that JAMES IS HARRYS FATHER!!!
August 12, 2005
Hi Danielle
Thanks for replying, I’m way behind you lot and have got a lot of catching up to do (mugglenet and Kneale?)
No Snape def not Harry’s father. My opinion is changing on the 3 deatheaters I mention in 47, as I am suspicious of Fudge now.
My previous message:-
Book 1
P153 – Both of Harry’s parents had green eyes
Yet we are constantly reminded in other books Harry’s eyes are like Lily’s??
(confused as book 5 says James’ eyes are hazel?)
P213 – Voldemort asked Harry to join his side.
Voldemort said “your mother needn’t of died, she was trying to protect you.”
Did Lily cast the Ancient Magic spell that put part of her soul (love - eyes are the mirror to your soul) into Harry, thus sacrificing her life and counteracting Voldemort’s spell (Horcrux).
P217 – Dumbledore explained to Harry that James saved Snape’s life therefore was indebted to the Potters. Snape had to begrudgingly aid Harry until (book 6 – unbreakable vow). Snape saw his chance to finish Dumbledore and joined forces with Voldemort. (not sure about this theory now)
Be glad to hear anyone’s view.
Cheers Joy
August 12, 2005
I also think that dumbledore is actually dead and is not coming back. Although it would be nice if he did, i think that jkr wants to have harry face voldy in book 7 alone.
August 12, 2005
oh, if the comment i said previous didn’t come through, i think harry i a horcrux of voldemort. It makes sense because harry has voldemorts special powers, like parseltongue. harry also has although those strange and sudden insights into voldy’s feelings.
August 12, 2005
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Yes I agree with you, the horcrux is the connection with Harry and voldemort, but i also think part of Lily’s soul is in him. The amount of informatin on mugglenet is huge, reading it is making me very confused. So i’m going back to the books - again.
August 12, 2005
how come my messages come up on this page but not the other one ???
August 12, 2005
to post 64, the reasons why Harry can experience all of those things have already been explained thoroughly by jkr in previous books, and although other reasons (such as Harry being a horcrux) might add to this, i think that it will basically be due to the reasons she has given already. i personally dont think Harry is likely to be a Horcrux. as dumbledore explained to harry, it wouldnt be wise to make a human being a horcrux, as they have their own mind and can therefore end up destroying this part of the soul, and voldemort would not want harry to act on his own, and so wouldnt want to make him a horcrux, if that makes sense? also, Voldmort would not have been able to make harry a horcrux after he attempted to kill him, as he was next to nothing. therefore the only way he could have possibly made him a horcrux was before he used the avada kedevra curse, which i dont think Voldemort would have been stupid enough to do. (for reasons stated above). everybody knows (for even Voldemort has admitted) that it was his KILLING curse that failed to work, and therefore made him weak, and so he couldnt have made him into a horcrux whilst attempting to kill him, as we already know that this cannot be done accidently, as you have to use a special spell. obviously this is just all my opinon, and knowing jkr there will probabloy be a big loophole in this thoery and harry will probably turn it to actually be a horcrux! Let me know what u think ta. P.S - Harry and Ginny forever, hope they are back together soon, bless them
August 13, 2005
not sure if my first post came up but anyway on to the next one….
going all the way back to comment #1:
“Miss figg, harry’s neighbour is definetley someone in disguise using polyjuice..the smell of cabbage, polyjuice smells like cabbage… That is why I think its aberforth.. DDs brother…. ”
on mugglenet it says “Cat Lovers - Argus Filch, Arabella Figg: both have the same initials, both are squibs, and both love cats!”
so maybe she’s filch in disguise…not too sure bout this but i’v read some wilder n wackyer theories than this before!! what do you think?
August 13, 2005
in reply to #47
“P565 – Voldemort says
“there are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead,
one too cowardly to return – he will pay (Karkorff ?)
one who has left me – he will be killed (Regulus)
one who remains my faithful servant – he will re-enter my service (Snape) ”
I agree that the death eater too cowardly to return is Karkaroff but I thought that when Voldemort is speaking of the death eater that has left him he was referring to Snape and the death eater who remained his faithful servant was Crouch, disguised as Moody. I could be wrong but that was how I interpreted it.
And looking back at the Filch/Figg thing it does sound a little to crazy to be true! never mind, it was a thought!
August 13, 2005
rachael
Thanks for your comments re 47
I have changed my opinion now
1 coward - snape
1 who left - regulus
1 faithful servant - Fudge
I hope this won’t change again - and am slowly going through 5 and 6 for more clues.
I also am supicious of Filch and Scrimgeour
Figg - I don’t know what to think about that.
There are 7 registered animagus - her love of cats.
It would be great to think Harry would have some help from aberforth.
Rachael, what do you think about Lily’s soul also being in Harry?
August 13, 2005
Joy Anthony
Sorry I don’t really think that Harry has Lily’s soul in him…in book 4 Voldemort says that Lily’s sacrifice ‘unwittingly’ gave Harry the protection so it doesn’t sound like she consciously did a spell to give him the protection….and if Harry had Lily’s soul or part of her soul then wouldnt that make Harry a horcrux for her? so she wouldn’t be dead (and she is) so…..i dont no
But one thing that i’m curious about to do with Lily…Voldemort said she didn’t have to die, so does that mean he wouldn’t have killed her if she hadn’t tried to protect Harry? She was muggle-born so surely he would have killed her anyway?
About Harry being a horcrux…..sorry Im not agreeing with that theory either…i agree with what Danielle said about what Dumbledore told Harry. “as dumbledore explained to harry, it wouldnt be wise to make a human being a horcrux, as they have their own mind and can therefore end up destroying this part of the soul, and voldemort would not want harry to act on his own, and so wouldnt want to make him a horcrux,”
Oh and I’m sure Petunia has a part to play in the last book…she definately knows something and seems to have cared about Lily no matter what she says. Not sure what tho…any suggestions??
August 13, 2005
i now feel that snapes is actually on the orders side side and is protecting harry. As in the 1st book Dumdbledore tells harry how james (his father) saved snapes life, and that snape wants to repay his debt by protecting harry
August 14, 2005
I’m still with the idea that snape is good and just trying to make it look like he was evil so that he could keep protecting harry.
In reply to #70, i dont think fudge is with voldemort.
I also dont think that voldemort would use harry as a horcrux seeing as how hes constantly trying to kill him.
August 14, 2005
With Regards to Harry being the Horcrux, I would much rather say that Harry’s “scar” is the Hoarcrux. Which would rule out his willfully being able to destroy it.
However, what better way to save your life than make it dependant upon the life of the guy that’s supposed to kill you?
Once Lily sacrificed herself to save Harry (Her needless death) Voldemort had killed her and his father (Necessary for making a Horcrux) which is Harry’s Scar, not his person.
7 Horcruxes 3 have been destroyed (1 having belonged to a Hogwarts House Originator) [7-3=4]
3 more Houses, [4-3=1] Which has me thinking it’s Harry’s Scar.
What will Harry have to do to destroy Voldemort for good? And what is said in the Prophecy about it?
Also Snape is still a good guy, Total Jerk! But a good guy.
August 14, 2005
Also if Regulus had found the other Horcruxes, I wonder if MungDungus has now sold them to other people, after Raiding 12 Grimauld Place….
Bokk 7 will definately be interesting…
August 14, 2005
hi, me again! i love harry potter im 11 and i started no 6 at5.00 sat and finnished it at roughly 3.00 the next day.I love reading! I cried when dumbles died i expexted for him to come back in the same book but i reached the end before i knew it !I still get teary eyed each time i read it !
August 14, 2005
Rachael, Callum and Mightmouse,
Theory 2
Voldemort had killed harry’s father (horcux can be cast when a killing has been committed).
What if harry was holding a watch, voldemort tried to cast his horcrux on it, Lily stepped in to protect harry and she died and the horcrux spell went through Lily and into Harry. Thus transferring Voldemort’s and lily’s soul.
The watch: book 1 Dudley’s birthday he is openning his present unwraped a watch, his mum walked in looking angry and worried. The watch is the precious thing from Griffindor.
Theory 1
As above - but Harry is the precious thing from griffindor, he is the descendant from godric. As Voldemort was also a descendant - voldemort marked harry as his equal.
Which which theory sounds best??
This is all guess work.
August 14, 2005
Kent Jones
You’re on the ball!
I belive the seven horcruxes to be:-
1. the diary (destroyed)
2. The ring (destroyed)
3. The Locket (either with Kreacher / Mundungus / 12 Grimmauld)
4. Huff cup at Hogwarts (room of requirement)
5. Ravenclaw’s precious item with Luna (book 5 things of hers go missing but are returned - someone searching)
6. HARRY’S SCAR (WELL DONE KENT)
7. VOLDEMORT
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
August 14, 2005
Also, when Voldemort’s Avada Kedavra reflected on to him, wouldn’t that have used up one of his horcruxes?
August 14, 2005
my thoery is:
voldermort cast the last horcrux on harry thinking that harry would be on his side. in book six voldermort said:
snape is the coword
regulusis the betrayer and
fudge will renter his servise
August 14, 2005
Another thing that has been bugging me. Dumbledore insinuates that Voldemort cursed the Defense Against the Dark Arts position and he has since been unable to hold a teacher for more than a year:
“Was he after the Defense Against the Dark Arts job again, sir? He didn’t say…” “Oh, he definitely wanted the Defense Against the Dark Arts job,” said Dumbledore. “The aftermath of our little meeting proved that. You see, we have never been able to keep a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher for longer than a year since I refused the post to Lord Voldemort.” (HBP pg 446/418)
Yet we know that Quirrel had the job for at least 2, so Voldemort must have cursed it while Quirrel still held it which we know is impossible as he had no body at that time.
This just goes to show that we can’t put too much stock into what’s been said in the book because there can still be holes.
August 14, 2005
I’m pretty sure my first post isn’t going to get through so here’s a bare bones version.
#69 - I agree with rachel with karakoff as the coward. Snape as the one who left. And Crouch Jr. as the faithful one.
#3 - the inquierer says that Regulus couldn’t be alive because then #12 Grimmauld place would have gone to him, which is true. However, this doesn’t necessarily stop him from being RAB because RAB says in his note “I know I will be dead long before you read this”
Just in general here, nowhere does is say Harry HAS to kill Voldemort or vice versa, it just says “neither can live while the other survives”. This could mean anything. All that has to happen is one of them must die by any means.
August 14, 2005
Fact
Snape knew – Remus, James, Sirius, Lily and Peter at Hogwarts.
Snape became a deatheater.
Pure speculation
Snape loved Lily – lily pitied Snape and loved James.
Snape tried to befriend Lily, he searched through records and found out she was a descendant of godric griffindor. Either Lily knew this or Snape told her, either way she wanted to keep it her secret. She persuaded Snape not to tell anyone. See 77 theories 1 or 2)
3 missing deatheaters
Snape overheard the prophecy “The one with the power ………….”
Snape reported this to Voldemort, Vol asked Snape which boy this referred to Neville or Harry. Snape did not know – Vol read his mind (Harry descendant of godric) Snape did not wanted to pass this info on but Vol forced his mind. Snape ran from all the deatheaters and was branded a coward. Snape ran to Dumbledore for help but too late Vol had done the dirty deed – marking Harry his equal and killing lily in the process. She sacrificed herself for Harry and passed her soul into him giving him “the power the Dark Lord knows not ……”
Snape is the COWARD – he promised Dumbledore to help the Order of the Ph and work as a double agent for them.
Regulus found out that Harry, a child would be used to store Vol’s horcrux and did not agree with this, he took the locket and left this at 12 Grim place he died trying to defeat Vol.
Regulus the ONE WHO LEFT VOL.
THE ONE WHO WILL RE-ENTER MY SERVICE – either Fudge or Scrimgeour
This spy works in the Ministry of Magic reasons:-
1. This person ordered the two Dementors to attack harry (book 4)
2. This person ordered the Dementors to leave Azkarban unguarded
3. B Bode witnessed this event, but met with a tragic accident
4. This person sent the devils snare to Bode to kill him
5. This person arrested Stan Shunpike because he guessed who the spy was
6. Luna Lovegood also states she does not trust the certain members in the ministry.
August 14, 2005
About the seven Horcruxes…
I agrree with most of them; the ones we definatly no about are the diary, the ring, the locket, Hufflepuffs cup and the piece in Voldemort himself. Another is probably something of Ravenclaws but didn’t Dumbledore say that the snake Nagini was a horcrux too?
Im not sure about Harry being a horcrux but im changing my opinion so that I don’t have one now about it! But since Harry’s scar is part of Harry then if his scar is a horcrux then wouldnt Harry be too? Isnt that the same thing?
Oh and I reckon the locket is still in 12 Grimmauld place or with Kreacher, i dont think mundungus would have sold it.
August 14, 2005
Also, Snape is defintiely a goody. Dumbledore pleaded with Snape to kill, becasue he didn’t want a death eater to do it, and so he could continue to be a double for the order, and Snape had a look of “revulsion and hatred” on his face, because he knew what he had to do - kill Dumbledore - and he didn’t want to. I refuse to believe that Snape is a baddy! But on the Snape point, Dumbledore made him DAD teach this year, despite the fact that he knew the job is cursed, (chapter 20 - “we have never been able to keep a DAD teacher for longer than a year since I refused the post to Lord V.”) Perhaps he knew what would happen. Just something I thought was wierd.
August 14, 2005
I still dont think that voldemort would use harry as a horcrux since he has tried to kill him in every book.
Also, i have a feeling that one of the horcruxes is a snake. I remember reading about one in book 4 when voldemort is in that house with wormtail and harry’s scar was hurting. And i think that ones the snake because voldemort himself is a parseltounge so he could communicate with it and maybe have a death eater protect it.
Let me know what you think.
August 14, 2005
I definitely agree that Harry is a Horcrux too. In book six, Dumbledore says, about making a living thing into a Horcrux, “it is inadvisable to do so…it is obviously a very risky business.” Thus, V was nearly killed when he made harry a Horcrux. Dumbledore also says, “V was still at least one Horcrux short of his goal of six when he entered your parents’ house.” It totally fits. It would also account for the whole Harry being able to sense V’s feelings thing. Fantastic storyline.
August 14, 2005
mightymouse
When Vol cast the Horcrux Harry was a child, vol perceived him as weak, Vol throught that he could control Harry maybe. Dumbledore was not completely sure about the other horcruxes. I think.
August 14, 2005
Fact
Snape knew – Remus, James, Sirius, Lily and Peter at Hogwarts.
Snape became a deatheater.
Pure speculation
Snape loved Lily – lily pitied Snape and loved James.
Snape tried to befriend Lily, he searched through records and found out she was a descendant of godric griffindor. Either Lily knew this or Snape told her, either way she wanted to keep it her secret. She persuaded Snape not to tell anyone.
3 missing deatheaters
Snape overheard the prophecy “The one with the power ………….”
Snape reported this to Voldemort, Vol asked Snape which boy this referred to Neville or Harry. Snape did not know – Vol read his mind (Harry descendant of godric) Snape did not wanted to pass this info on but Vol forced his mind. Snape ran from all the deatheaters and was branded a coward. Snape ran to Dumbledore for help but too late Vol had done the dirty deed – marking Harry his equal and killing lily in the process. She sacrificed herself for Harry and passed her soul into Harry giving him “the power the Dark Lord knows not ……” (see 77 theory 1 or 2)
Snape is the COWARD – he promised Dumbledore to help the Order of the Ph and work as a double agent for them.
Regulus found out that Harry, a child would be used to store Vol’s horcrux and did not agree with this, he took the locket and left this at 12 Grim place he died trying to defeat Vol.
Regulus the ONE WHO LEFT VOL.
THE ONE WHO WILL RE-ENTER MY SERVICE – either Fudge or Scrimgeour
This spy works in the Ministry of Magic reasons:-
1. This person ordered the two Dementors to attack harry (book 4)
2. This person ordered the Dementors to leave Azkarban unguarded
3. B Bode witnessed this event, but met with a tragic accident
4. This person sent the devils snare to Bode to kill him
5. This person arrested Stan Shunpike because he guessed who the spy was
6. Luna Lovegood also states she does not trust the certain members in the ministry.
August 14, 2005
Joy Anthony
About your theory about the connection between Harry having Lily’s eyes….I was reading an interview with JkR on http://www.quick-quote-quill.o... n i found this…
Are there any special wizarding powers in your world that depend on the wizard using their eyes to do something?
JKR: Why do you want to know this?
Well because everyone always go on about how Harry’s got Lily Potter’s eyes.
JKR: Aren’t you smart - there is something, maybe coming about that, I’m going to say no more - very clever.
….not sure what it means but would seem to support your theory….
August 14, 2005
this is getting too crazy for me…..im not gonna post here. i got lost at post number 41….cya
August 14, 2005
I think Harry is a descendant of godric griffindor, specially as his parents lived in godric’s hollow….but im still sticking with the three deatheaters as being:
Coward: Karkaroff
One who left Voldemort: Snape
One who re-entered his service: Crouch
August 14, 2005
Rachael
Refer 62 old saying “the eyes are the window to your soul”
August 14, 2005
My theory is:
Voldemort cast the last horcux on harry thinking that harry would be on Voldemort side.
Voldemort said there are 3 missing deatheaters
The coward – Snape
The betrayer – Regulus
The one to re enter my service - Fudge
August 14, 2005
Joy Anthony…
Your argument for Fudge or Scrimgoer to be with Voldy because someone sent 2 Dementors to attak Harry…we already know that was Umbridge. She admitted to it. And as far as Lilly being a descendant of Gryffindor…she was muggle born. That is mentioned a number of times!!!
August 14, 2005
Heidi,
Umbridge could be working for Fudge or Scrimgeour. After all if she did it why is she still working for the Ministry and not been fired.
How much do we know about Lily’s ancestors before her parents?
Could the wizard gene skip generations??
89 is only speculation - Just my thoughts
August 14, 2005
I dont think dumbledore is dead. There have been so many references between pheonixs and him even during his funeral to possibly ignore the fact that he might make a return in a big way.
August 14, 2005
It’s been said that the name regulus refers to lions and that scrimgeour look like a lion. Possible connection?
August 14, 2005
#96
“Could the wizard gene skip generations”
Then Lily’s parents would have been squibs, right?
Also, pureblood familys (the Malfoys, Wesleys, Blacks) don’t skip generations.
August 14, 2005
99
I don’t have all the answers?
But could Lily have been adopted and noone knows her true parentage.
My Brain is befuddled , now
August 14, 2005
joy anthony
i agree with your comment .i think lily has been adopted and noone knows true parentage
August 14, 2005
Maybe it was James who was Gryffindor descendant? Seeing as he was pure-blood (i think) wouldn’t that make more sense?
August 14, 2005
Im still convinced the death eater that Voldemort said had ‘already re-entered’ his service is Crouch Jnr cause Voldemort said that he was at Hogwarts (disguised as Moody using polyjuice potion) and that it was by his (the death eater’s) actions that Harry was there i.e. by Crouch/Moody turning the cup into a portkey and making sure Harry won the tournament.
And if Voldemort had been talking about regulus being the betrayer then wouldn’t he have said that he was dead? Voldemort mention 6 death eaters altogether; the first three he said were dead in his service; but he didnt say that the others were dead (in fact didn’t he say that the coward n betrayer would be killed, implying that they were both still alive?)
August 14, 2005
Rachael you could be correct
Another theory
Slughorn told Harry - Lily was top of the class in potions. Snape was also good as Harry has his potions book.
Could snape have been fed up of the others teasing him and given Lily a potion. James got angry and tried to get back a snape, this resulted in something dangerous happenning. James saved Snapes’s life
August 14, 2005
Joy,
As I understand it, one of the Horcruxes was the Naghini (Snake in book 2) That has been destroyed.
Also As I understand it Voldemort had 6 Horcruxes completed at the time he went to Kill Harry.
When he realized that he couldn’t kill Harry he instead created His final Horcrux, Harry’s Scar. Hopeful The sacrifice would be too much for HArry to make to finally destroy Voldemort once and for all…
Pure Speculation of course, but the facts add up don’t they?
August 14, 2005
In case anyone’s interested I searched for horcruxes on google n i found this on wikipedia (i was quite impressed that it had an entry!)
“Another possibility not mentioned in the books is that when Tom Riddle returned to Hogwarts to request the DADA position he formed a horcrux from his Award for Special Services to Hogwarts. Either way, all horcruxes have a special meaning to Voldemort, whether it be from a founder of Hogwarts where he felt most at home, or from a trophy of his torturous actions.”
Don’t know what to think about this. Any thoughts?
August 14, 2005
Kent Jones
Nagini, the snake, is still alive n therefore still a horcrux (if it was ever made one).
August 14, 2005
i’m a little confused on the horcrux issue. I understand that Vold wanted 7 b/c it is a powerful number. But if it is Harry, why? He was a baby! Or was it totally by accident?
Another thought. In book 1, it was mentioned that Harry’s wand was made from a phoenix tail feather. The only other wand to have a feather from that same phoenix was the one that belongs to Vold. Is there any chance at all that the wand itself could be part of this horcrux story?
August 14, 2005
#106 I like that idea
Some people have suggested (here and on other boards) that RAB could be a (or more than 1) member of the order, Remus or Sirus,for example. If RAB is part of the order, wouldn’t Dumbledore know about the Horcruxes (and not really need the memory form Slug) and know that the locket was already gone?
August 14, 2005
Voldemort (may have) only made 6 horcruxes. The seventh part “lived” inside him. Therefore, the Ring, Locket and Cup would be three. The diary (from book 2) would be four. Any object of Ravenclaw and Gryfindor’s would be five and six. If no object of Gryfindor’s (or Ravenclaw) was found, and Nigini was a horcrux that would still be six, right?
Also one of the other things that people have repeted several times is that Voldemort was still missing one of his six Horcruxes when he killed the Potters. Dumbledore said this, but he said IF. therefore he could be wrong. Therefore we don’t if how many horcruxes were made.
Would the part of Voldemorts soul in his old body have ‘died’ when the body was lost? In a ‘normal’ person,when the body dies, does the soul die?And in that case would the horcrux act like a backup soul?
August 15, 2005
Rachael
Thought about #106. If he wanted a horcrux to be a trophy of his opening of the Chamber wouldn’t the diary be one?
August 15, 2005
106
i dont think the special services could be a horcrux because he takes really gd care of them and so he wouldnt just leave them in the skool.
when voldemort died the part of his soul inside his body was set free and this is what he was trying to save by possessing quirrel and drinking unicorns blood i dont think he used a horcrux
August 15, 2005
#77-
i don’t think that the watch had anything to do with it. petunia was just extremely disturbed with the fact that that ms. figg was gone and couldn’t watch harry while they went to the zoo, so they had to bring him along
August 15, 2005
what if voldemort hid at least one horcrux in the room of requirement,well, dumby probably would have found it by then and destroyed it. maybe dumby couldn’t get into the room because he couldn’t find what tom riddle or voldemort thought to get into the room he wanted. it could be a possibility that alot of the artifacts from grime. place or at least one is hidden there. i don’t think mundungus got his hands on any of the horcruxes whether he knew he did or not, but maybe if kreacher is comunicating with or is regulous. he could be putting things in the room of requirement for regulous or just because he wants to save them whether he knows they’re a horcrux(s) or not. all he has to do is apparate and he can get into the castle fom #12. there are too many possibilities for kreacher. maybe he’s just a crazed house elf who wants to be dead. maybe he’s is connected to very powerful and important people, maybe not. (?)
August 15, 2005
rachael
refer 102 if the Griffindor descendant were through the Potter family, everyone would possibly know and the potter family would be reknowned for jit’s ancestry.
August 15, 2005
hey joy anthony what do u think of this-
idk who lily is related to and i dont even know if she is really muggle born, nor does anybody else. but i think harry is voldemort’s grandnephew. in book 2 when harry is talking to dobby at the dursleys dobby tells harry that bad things will be happening at hogwarts this year adn it will be especially dangerous for harry to return.
-harry asks dobby if the warning he has just given him has anythign to do with u-know-who
-dobby answers,”no, not he who must not be named”, but his eyes are wide open(and u know how big his eyes are), he is trying to suggest something to harry.
- we know what it is. the warning has something to do with tom riddle (and yes, he can be named)
- then harry asks dobby another question: “he hasn’t got a brother, has he?” (strange question, by the way. is only planted there for future revalation?)
- again, dobby shakes his head, but his eyes are wide open, wider than ever, as if he were trying to suggest something else to harry, something most important : we still dont know what it is.
i have theory, but i would like to hear what u think( or read/see. w/e)
August 15, 2005
o sorry- not enough info
- if dobby were feeling free to speek i think it would’ve looked like this…
-voldemort has no brother(so dobby’s answer is true, strictly speaking)…but he has a sister. voldemorts sister married a wizard named potter. she became the mother of james potter! so, if i am correct, voldemort is james’ uncle, and harry’s great uncle. as dobby is malfoy’s house elf, he is likely to know a secret like this: (malfoy, after all, was in voldemort’s “inner circle”
August 15, 2005
is anybody there
August 15, 2005
i have a ton of theories but nobodies talking
August 15, 2005
Kansas
I don’t think that is possible. Riddle’s diary was 50 years old in the second book. The potions book the HBP had was also 50 years old. Since the pensieve showed Snape (the HBP) and James in the same year, James was at Hogwarts 50 years ago, around the time Riddle was there. Voldemort’s sister would half to be about 15 years older than Voldemort, and would have had a child VERY young. Possible, but unlikley.
However, this sister (or cousin if it was morfin’s child) could be Lilly Potter, couldn’t it??? Lilly (or Petunia) could be an adopted child, couldn’t she???
August 15, 2005
#110
The part of Voldemorts soul in his body was the part that survived when the curse rebounded, it was the rest of him that was destroyed, but as all his horcruxes werent destroyed the part in him couldnt be, so that part didnt die along with his body….i think..
August 15, 2005
Rachael
So if one hasn’t made a horcrux, there soul floats around after their body dies? Is it the soul that goes behind the black veil in the minister?
August 15, 2005
were James and Lily at Hogwarts 50 years ago? That sounds like a long while ago if Harry is 16/17 .
August 15, 2005
sorry
#122 was supposed to say viel in the ministery, not minister
August 15, 2005
if they havent made a horcrux then i suppose that their soul goes to heaven (or hell) or whatever you beleive in…i dont think this is covered in the book…
August 15, 2005
The pensieve that harry entered in snapes office showed Snape and James (and Lilly) after taking the OWLs. It showed that they were at hogwarts at the same time.
Harry (i think) said the the HBP’s potions book was 50 years old. (i’ll look this up)
August 15, 2005
o ya and what’s theis i hear about dumbledore being ron weasley all grwn up. anyone else hear that
August 15, 2005
Im sure i remember that JKR has said in interviews that Dumbledore is not Harry or Ron from the future.
August 15, 2005
#125
at the end of book 5, harry asks nick (the goast) about death. Nick says that when one dies there is a choice to make. Nick’s life was ended before he was ready to die, and he chose to remain on earth as a goast. He says he knows little else about death.
Should this be believed, and might it have any relevance to the 7th book?
August 15, 2005
uh…”u (don’t) know who”-
what if the potions book was snape’s mother’s book while she was at hogwarts. would that work. he could have been very poor like the weasleys, and had to have his mom’s old book
August 15, 2005
I think it’d probably be true…why would he lie?
I think ‘death’ will be important in the 7th book (as a theme- Voldemort is scared/unwilling to die but Dumbledore said there are worse things than death - i think this will be expanded on) but not if there is an afterlife/whatever happens after death.
August 15, 2005
also when harry reads the name riddle in the diary for the first time he feels like he knows the person, like they were an old friend. (”… as though riddle was a friend he’d had when he was very small
August 15, 2005
kansas
page 563 of HBP (last paragraph)
“‘It was i who invented them (the spells including levicorpus and sectumsempra)- I, the half-blood Prince!”‘
Snape says that his name is the Half-Blood Prince.
Hermiony also says that Snape’s mom was a (pure) witch named Prince and father was a muggle.
Half-(the) blood (of a) Prince
August 15, 2005
It would make sense that the book was Eileen Princes (was that her name? Snapes mother anyway)
about post #132
Maybe it was the link to Voldemort thru Harrys scar that made him recognise the name?
August 15, 2005
i can’t find the part that said the Prince’s book was 50 years old. I may be wrong about that.
August 15, 2005
waht if voldemort’s quest to imortality includes killing all people blood relate to him.this would explain y voldemort didn’t intend to kill lily, just james. maybe james’ parents were killed by voldemort. this may be y there is little written about them. or voldemort had to kill his father and all his father’s descendants(except him of course). killing them is just part (although a necessary part) of the path that leads to immortality.i suppose voldemort was taught during his final years at hogwarts how to become immortal:teh master who taught him was the dark wizard grindewald, just before dumbledore defeated him in 1945.(jkr gave us his name in book 1: so, i think geindewald must have had a role somehow, and the year 1945 fits very well with the end of tom riddle’s studies at hogwarts.) the “path to immortality” ust involve rituals of dark magic, of extreme complexity.. i think the transformations that made tom riddle almost unrecodnizable when he came back as lord voldemortwere part of the process.
brb to finish gotta check somthin…
August 15, 2005
Kansas
Ilike your theroy, but Voldemort didn’t kill morfin, he framed him after stealing his ring. The only other flaw that i see is that Siruis said his mother didn’t approve of him being friends with the Potters. If the potters were related to Slytherin, that shouldn’t have been a problem.
August 15, 2005
About Dumbledore apparently killing the dark wizard Grindewald…the word used (i believe) is “defeated” not killed (Dumbledore is most famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindewald in 1945 -or something like that) Also Dumbledore says there are much worse things than death and he doesnt try to kill Voldemort at the end of bk 5….So maybe Dumbledore didnt kill Grindewald.
August 15, 2005
hey u (don’t) know who. do u think harry may have other siblings, possibly at hogwarts, i personally think that it is very possible that either hermione or ginny is harry’s sister. i have clues and some proof to back it up, but what do u think
August 15, 2005
maybe he just has to eliminate his relatives or they have to die . and morfin did eventually die didn’t he
August 15, 2005
i think all the possibilities i thought about harry adn hermy being siblings were just shattered. there’s no way hermione is 9 or more months older than harry
August 15, 2005
#140 yes morfin did die in Azkaban
#139 is a neat idea. however, Hermoine would have to be a twin sister, and Ginny would be diffult because James and lilly were dead. Unless u think the Potters live.
August 15, 2005
exactly #145
that eliminates ginny
consider this story:
james potter is feeling worried, as never before in his life…
he has just left school and married lily, and dumdledore has considered that it is time to tell of his terrible secret.SO, the dark lord’s true family name is “riddle”, just as his own mother. noe, james knows he is the last relative of voldemort; and he knows he is voldemort’s target for that reason.
what can he do then? james has great courage, but the future of all mankind is at stake, not only his own life.
if voldemort ever finds him, and kills him, all will be lost:
the dark lord will be immortal, and no one- not even dumbledore- will ever be able to defeat him. the age of darkness will begin. and it will last forever.
unless…
of course. there is only one thing he can do.
the potter’s understand that they should have children, several if possible, and a.s.a.p. futhermore, they should not keep all their children in the same place.
so, i thinkit is at least a possibility that harry may have a brother or sister, who the potters would have hidden as soon as he or she was born, and who would have lived with adoptive parents ever sisnce.
i know… supposing hrmione is harry’s sister is very starwars like. and yet, y not?
could hermione be harry’s sister? is it even possible. i know she was born is september, and harry was born in july. it seems logical to suppose that hermione is 10 months older than harry rather than 2 months younger. (this is a fact actually, because she was old enough to take her apparation test and harry wasn’t, she has to be older).(so they were both eleven years old on sep. 1st, the year they enterd hogwarts). in that case, the brother sister thing is not completely impossisble. a ten month difference(nearly 10.5 months in fact) is a very short time indeed, but remember, suppose lily and james were in a hurry.
i have much more what do u think so far
August 15, 2005
ok.
r u suggesting that Hermoine was adopted by her current parents?
Why wasn’t James in slytherin, if he was the heir to Salizar Sylitherin?
Your right about the 10 months, i had forgoten that
August 15, 2005
A thought to bere in mind. We all could be reading into clue that are mistakes. We know that some mistakes were made by JK. It is possible that the family ties are not mixed up in weird ways. We could be misreading these clues
THIS IS ALL GUESSWORK, RIGHT????
August 15, 2005
harry and hermione. is there only frens==dship between them? or something else? anyways they are very close friends at the very least.
ron and hermione are quite obviously attracted to eachother; their quarrels might be an indication that they will end up together or maybe not.
the harry-harmione relation is very different:they seem somehow “naturally”, almost instinctively close to eachother. quite often, each of them seems to know what the other is thinking.
i think this should mean something important:
August 15, 2005
Ginny also has this type of relationship with Hermione until the end of HBP, when they fight.
Ginny Fred and George also. I know they are family though.
Ron and harry do seem to be very good friends, were from the off.
Remeber in the first part of book 1, Ron Harry and hermione were NOT friends. They only became friends with Hermiony after the troll.
August 15, 2005
Also, i think some of the fights between Ron and Hermione are because Hermione is jelouse. I think she likes Ron. The big fight in HBP was because Ron was going out with Lavender. That is also why (i think) she would refer to ron, sometimes, as Won-Won.
In the Goblet of Fire (book 4), the fight was over victor Krum. Ron may have been jelouse of Krum because he was going out (or atleast to the danse) with Hermione.
August 15, 2005
-either it means that they will fall in love in the next books, and end up together. this is a real possibilitie, and the kiss hermione gives harry at the end of book 4 might be the beginning, but i reckon a ron-hermione romance is more probable.
_ or it means that there is “something else” between them. of course, the brother sister theory would fit perfectly
so, let’s see. if harry and hermione are siblings, then the granger’s are hermione’s adoptive parents. maybe they are real muggles,m maybe they are just pretending. who knows the truth abought hermione?
obviously harry has no clue; i think dumbledore knows the truth, as do a few other teachers(at least lupin and mcgonagall) and probably serious.
the grangers must know, and another idea is that hermione herself knows the truth. after all, we know hermione is able to keep a secret(time turner)
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August 15, 2005
in responce to 155, i think hermione was attempting to befriend them from the start don’t u think. i have alot of gathered clues as well, but yes this is all guesswork. but everything said on this chat is guesswork isn’t it unless u or i were jkr ourselves
August 15, 2005
here are some gathered clues:
-a minor physical resemblance, they are both unable to comb their hair
-at the beginning of book one, before harry and hermione become friends, before they even really know eachother, hermione’s behavior is a bit excesive, she keeps infering in harry’s affairs, much more then anybody else(except for i personally think, dumbledore), even ron’s.:
“i can’t beliseve you are going to do this harry.”
(harry and ron are leaving gryfindor’s tawer at night, y do u think she only sais this to harry?)
i know it’s hermione’s nature to be quite interfering, but i think itis a bit too much. however,if harry is herl little brother, AND she knows, her behaviour is understandable.
-BIG HINT: in book two, just after hermione and penelope have been petrified, profesor mcg. goes straight to harry:
“potter, i think you’d better come with me”
y, i don’t think it is just because hermione is just his friend: she would have asked ron as well. but no, she doesn’t care about ron, only after her and harry are returning to the castle does ron come running up to them, does she agree:
“yes, perhaps you’d better come too, weasley”(not the “perhaps…too”
quite strange isn’t it? but mcg. know that harry and hermione are siblings, so her behaviour is normal
…….
August 15, 2005
in book 3 while they are fighting the boggart lupin doesn’t allow harry to fight it because he thinks it will take the form of voldemort, but y doesn’t he let hermione fight it, i think that lupin (knowing they are siblings) didn’t let hermione fight because he is afraid it will reveal something revealing about her past and quite possibly harry and her. also, in book five wehn she finally fights a boggart during exams she is alone, but i heard that her staory to ron and harry about it was a little rediculous, but when i went to find her story, i couldn’t, could u help me find it, i have the book right here… (i’ve more clues)
August 15, 2005
you’re probably right,but tell what u think this means:
in book four when harry is being interviewed by rita skeeter about hagrid, rita skeeter asks harry,”would u call hagrid a father substitute?”hermione’s reaction to this is extremely violent;she stands up,”very abruptly, her butterbeer clutched in her hand as if were a grenade.”
why?after all, these words were nothing worse than what rita had been saying before.
obviously it is the words,”father substitute” that caused hermione’s reaction. i think this is because she has been raised by adoptive parents, and knows it. (????????????)
November 26, 2005
Things to bare in mind while trying to guess how´s R.A.B and how the book is to end:
We certenly know that Rab new what he was going to find in the cave: otherwise he wouldn´t have been able to make more of green potion (and the antidote too). He also knew which of the Horcrux´s was to be found in the cave since he has a similar substitute for the Slytherin´s thing, so he might also have known where the other hrx´s where.
Besides trying to find the full name t rab i wonder where and how is harry going to (first) figure out how to find them, and (second) how is he going o match Lord Voldemort on his own,
I guess that more nasty deaths are to come, and the following are going to hurts as, even more than Dd´s death, (otherwise Harry wont be able to cat the Avada Kedavra - please remember that justified anger was not really enough to perform the cruciatus course at the end of the fifth book so we can guess the killing course would be somethng really hard to perform to Harry - since he´s really ABLE TO LOVE which Voldemort (and his DeathEaters are not)
We might think Harry will have to kill Voldemort, otherwise than using the killing course, if we are to belive that the book will end properlly and Harry will be able to finally manage to do Voldemort.
November 26, 2005
I think the locket and RAB are pretty straightforward clues regarding the locket and grimwald place and it being Sirius Black’s Brother Regulus. What doesn’t make sense is that HG doesn’t have that figured out by the end of the HBP. Regulus may have turned on LV because of his Brother being framed and sent to Azkabahn. There is a mention of a Wizard named Bones being killed by LV in the first book. It doesn’t fit though. When closing a series you want it to tie together nicely. Star Wars was a great example of how to do it wrong. I don’t think HG is Harry’s sister. I don’t think Harry is a Horcrux. The great power Harry has that LV doesn’t have is love. I go back and forth on whether AD is dead. The portrait in the office is sleeping, you never see the body at the funeral. I do think Snape is still a good guy. When AD destroyed the ring he went to Snape to be cured.
Snape could have killed members of the Order as he left but didn’t. No I think the two key things Snape says to Harry are 1. there will be no unforgivable curses from you Potter. (thus keeping Harry pure), 2. learn to keep you mind closed and your mouth shut.
November 27, 2005
I think dumbledore trusts snape because they have this master plan of dd faking his death. dd wouldnt make snape dada teacher because they last 1 year and he had to save snape until the time was right. what are your thoughts? also, snape is already even with James because snape savad harry from quirrals bewitched broomstick.
November 27, 2005
what is the exact website of mugglenet?
hi im really interested about all these theories its sooo cool;
November 27, 2005
Im sure Regulus is RAB.It doesnt matter thought.He is dead people.You hear all these rumors about Harrys mom.It doesnt matter unless it deals with the horuxes. That is the only thing that matters.There are 4 left and Harry has a good idea what to look for.I think Harry will give up looking and go to that house he inherited.That is where Kreacher is.Harry will ask him about the horuxes and he will say he only knowes of a locket that regulus destroyed.That is when Harry will realize who RAB is.In the house Harry will find notes of some kind telling him where the horuxes are.Probobly notes Regulus wrote for himself.He will find them all and face voldemort.I dont know how he will get there but Harry has a knack for running into (or better yet away from)voldemort.The only thing I dont know that just might be important is Snape.Why did Dumbledore want to talk to Snape so bad after he drank the pensitive in book 6.He must have saw something that involved Snape.Somthing that could be important.Im trying hard to think of what he could have saw.I dont know!Another thing is will Harry be able to do unforgivable curses.He has to much love!Love saved his life when he was a baby now it might get him killed. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.I just had an idea. when Harry goes for the showdown with Voldemort a death eater will get Harry and bring him to Voldemort who will be outside for whatever reason.Now in book 5 Voldemort just tried to kill Harry right off the bat.This time the death eater will leave and while all the death eaters are watching Voldemort will face Harry.He will raise his wand and then Harry will scream ” I FOUND THE HORUXES”. Voldemort will be in shock and not belive Harry. Then Harry will name them and Voldemort will freak out. He will say well Potter you still have to kill me.Voldemort will raise his wand and……Well every year Harry faced voldemort there was always something to save him.In book#1 the stone saved him.In book#2 the pheonix and the sorting hat saved him.In book #3 he didnt face voldemort but still hermione had the time turner.In book#4 Harry had prior incantment and the porkety(triwizard cup).In book#5 that statue came to life and Dumbeldore was there.In book#6 he didnt face him but Dumdledore was there. Notice how all of thoes things have been destroyed.All except the sorting hat.I think the sorting hat is a horux.So with nothing to save Harry what will happen. I think I will let JK decide. Thats my prediction.
November 27, 2005
Ya snape is good there is just so much that leads to him really being good
November 27, 2005
Quirrel had the DADA job for a longer time because in a sense he was LV. The curse LV put on the job probably lifted while he had the job. So Quirrel could hold the job for longer than a yr as long as LV was in his body because it was really LV who had the job. This is a really good site www.harrypotterfacts.com/_columns_martel.htm
it makes it seem like hermione is harry’s sister. I think it is a very good theory and it is probably pretty true. I think RAB is regulas it is so straight forward.
November 27, 2005
what if wormtail was polyjuiced up as dumbledore and thats why the hand was mangled, seeinga s how his fake hand very well wouldnt turn back into flesh and blood again? and that at snape’s house the wormtail there was really dumbledore and thats why he was stashed in a secret compartment. i mean it would be easy enough for dumbledore to curse wormtail into doing whatever he needed at school and that the trips out of hogwarts were to force feed him polyjuice and strengthen the curse? food for thought, let me get your opinions.
November 27, 2005
YES! Man, i felt so good when i figured it out on my own by putting all the clues together in the 5th and 6th books, and i thought i was the only one who knew! Apparently though, like JK Rowling, there are many people all in this earth in that same kind of clever nature. So i looked it up on google, and just as i was hoping would not happen, many sites were found on this debate. I immeadiatly thought Remus, but then i saw Lupin, the next name that came was Regulus. Im glad i was one of the millions that discovered it though. Sorry JK, the suprise was spoiled!
November 27, 2005
This is to #3:
i would like to say that in the book it mentions something about it being passed down to Sirius from Regulus and the only reason it was passed back to Bellatrix was because both Sirius AND Regulus were childless, therefore Regulus was considered and had already had the house passed down to him: Book:”Black family tradition decreed that the house was handed down the direct line, to the next male with the name of ‘Black.’ Sirius was the very last of the line AS HIS YOUNGER BROTHER, REGULUS, PREDECEASED HIM AND BOTH WERE CHILDLESS.
November 27, 2005
This is to #3 also:
btw, remember that the only reason harry got the house was because of siriuses will
November 27, 2005
to nick # 160:
im not trying to go against your points, all of you, but in the book dumbledore says that he injured his hand trying to get/find a horcrux. Also for #157 (the really long one) i think voldemort has more in store for harry and the other people why else would he have taken over the Inferi, the Giants, or the dementors?
November 28, 2005
* Cathedral: Will we be hearing anything from Sirius Black’s brother, Regulus, in future books?
JK Rowling replies -> Well, he’s dead, so he’s pretty quiet these days.
this is what JK says in an interview she does not answer it with her usual air of mystery so cant we assume that reguluus is in fact not involved
although it does seem like a ood theory
November 29, 2005
all right. Someone tell me what they think about Dumbledore and what he saw after drinking the pensitive.Also to Sara (of the US) I think your idea about voldemort having more in store for harry is true. You seem very smart. Write back please.
November 29, 2005
RAB is remulus black im sure of that because:
i read part 6 in other language (dutch).
And the last letter is then Z (RAZ). The Z is from “zwart” what means black. So it must be a black who was RAB. So it is remulus black
November 29, 2005
Actually im not that smart. Im in middle school. Im just obsessed with Harry Potter. But yeah, (to # 165) you have a point i do remember reading that somewhere. But i really think that Regulus will have a big part who else would it be but besides that, they said that lupin would have a big part too so i dunno.
November 30, 2005
I just want to know whats going to happen to fawkes if Dumbledore’s dead?
November 30, 2005
I don’t think harry will kill voldemort.
That would make him a killer and I don’t think JKR intends that for harry.
the prophesy does not say one will kill the other.
but one cannot live while the other survives.
this confuses me as aren’t both alive in book 5 & 6
November 30, 2005
puzzled:
I agree, Harry probably won’t kill voldemort
November 30, 2005
I read some of the thought’s above, and I must say there were some intresting things between them:
First of all I agree with the R,A,B being Sirius brother (Regulus) theorie and that he stole the horcrux with kreacher and hid it in Grimboud 12, who else than a death-eather could have tracked the location of the horcrux??
about the horcruxes,
I do not believe harry potter or his scar is one,
For the simple reason: Voldemort doesn’t like to be independeble of someone else,
by making harry a horcrux he is…
about the other horcroxes:
I think the cup, the snake and some other stufe
I didn’t gave it much thought.
But for all we know, Regulus may have tracked down a cople of more horcruxes.
However I,m pretty sure Regulus id dead, and not “hidden better than you can imagene” by Dumbledore or an other member of the Fenix.
Because if he was, he would have asked Dumbledore’s help for tracking down the horcruxes
or at least told him, He already stole one.
Also I’m sure Dumbledore an Sirius are dead, because Jk rowling wants you to understand harry’s hate for Voldemort, it would be a bit softy if one of them would suddenly come back.
That leaves us with the big question:
Why the HELL did Snape kill Dumbledore?
well let’s say he was working on Dumbledore’s orders
which is verry well possible because:
-Dumbledore didn’t plead for the other death-eaters,
They also could have killed the weakened wisserd with not to much trouble,
Meaning Dumbledore was pleading snape to kill him.
-On snape’s escape he didn’t hurt Harry Potter, he even gave him some advice
-Snape doesn’t like to be called a coward what is quite understandeble seeing what he had to do if he’s one Dumbledore’s sight
-There was an argument between Dumbledore and Snape in the forest, what me have been about Dumbledore wantin Snape to kill him if it would come to that. But Snape would rather have gave his own live..
and there are many other clues to find in the books:
it also explains Dumbledore’s enourmes trust in snape
but the most important reason I could make up was:
By killing Dumbledore, Snape saved the lives of himself, Draco and draco’s mother, otherwise they would all have gotten killed. With Dumbledore dead snape will get a lot of respect of the death-eaters and Voldemort will trust him a lot.. ,
So infect When Dumbledore sacrificed him self he made 2 power full weapons:
1 Harry potter, how saw many of his beloved ones die, he is now turing in some
“Killing Voldemort Machine”
2 Sneep, he probably wants revenge on Voldemort for making him kill Dumbledore, and of course he is a good spy.
- But what I don’t understand is:
If Sneep didn’t want to kill Dumbledore why did he had for the astromy tower in the first place? or was he just playin his double-role?
- And the Halfblood Prince thing, doesn’t seem to fit in, that book is more or less pointing out Sneep is evil.. Or did he turn over to the right sight when Lilly died?
But these are just my thoughts..
enough theories for now.
Feel free to react
Oh yeah I wonder if Dumbledore’s brother will play a roll in part 7
November 30, 2005
Hi, all. I have a theory about Regulus.
First of all, I believe it’s quite possible that RAB is indeed Regulus Black, even though we don’t know what his middle name is. And secondly, I believe that RAB is still alive and probably one step ahead of Dumbledore in the sense of hunting down and destroying the Horcruxes.
JKR is quite profound when giving certain characters specific names. For example, Lupin is relatively close to “lupis”, meaning “wolf”. And what can Lupin turn into? That’s right; a wolf.
Mr. Filch’s first name is Argus. And who was Argus in Greek mythology? He was the giant who was covered in eyeballs, also known as the “All-Seeing”. And what role did Filch play at Hogwarts? That’s right; he had to keep his eyes on the students and make sure they weren’t misbehaving.
Think about this. Sirius, the actual star and not the character, Sirius Black, is the brightest star in the constellation Canis Major, the Dog Star. And what can Sirius Black turn into? That’s right, a dog.
I’m sorry I’m going on too long, but I’m coming to my point. (finally) Does anyone know what Regulus is? Regulus is the brightest star in the constellation Leo. And what does Leo look like? You guessed it; a lion. So, who in the book is described as resembling a lion? I know it’s a stretch, but the new Minister of Magic that replaced Fudge, Scrimgouer, is almost always described by JKR as resembling a lion, besides the fact that he walks with a limp (maybe an injury from when Voldemort ‘killed’ him).
Could it be that Scrimgouer is really Regulus Black and he’s constantly on Harry and Dumbledore in order to find out what they know of the remaining horcruxes? Maybe Regulus is a reformed Death Eater (like Snape) and pretended to be dead.
Don’t forget, HBP had a lot to do with faking deaths. Dumbledore’s death might have been faked. And don’t forget the speech Dumbledore gave Draco right before Dumbledore died. When Draco was saying that he has to kill Dumbledore or else Voldemort would kill him, Dumbledore said to him, “There are ways we can make you seem as if you died. There are ways we can hide you so that Voldemort could never find you or come looking for you,” so some variation of that.
November 30, 2005
I think that Rufus Scrimgeour is Regulus Black because when ever he and Harry met Scrimgeour always asked about Dumbledore. The fight between RS and AD could have been about staying out of trouble because Dumbledore was helping RB stay hidden. After the funeral RS asked Harry if he knew where Dumbledore had gone. I think that RS knew that Dumbledore was trying to find a Horcrux. This is of course just a guess. Harry is not a Horcrux it’s just to unbeleiveable. Hermione could be posibley be Harrys sister.
December 1, 2005
Couldn’t Harry get a time-turner and save dumbledore or Sirius. I’m suprised JKR hasn’t brought up a reason explaining why this is not impossible.
December 1, 2005
I also think one of the horcruxes might be at Harry’s parents graveyard. He did mentioning visiting them and I don’t think JKR would have included that for nothing.
December 1, 2005
Do you people think Draco might run to the Order for safety and spoil Voldemort’s plans? It’s hard to imagine, but you never know.
Do you guys think that Harry will fo over to the arch (book 5) and try to hand Sirius a mirror? I know it’s a whacko idea, but anything is possible.
Oh and I don’t think Dumbledore would be a ghost, he wouldn’t have feared death.
December 1, 2005
regulus black is dead, so is sirius and albus, due to the millions of HP obsesives out there dont you think JK would be a little more subtle???
December 1, 2005
We already know of two of God Griffs possesions the hat and the sword why does AD say that we dont knoiw of anything?
December 1, 2005
Hey I have another idea. What if RAB should be read backwards.Maybe its BAR.Maybe BAR means somthing to voldemort.Maybe its not even somebody.Maybe its a secret that only voldemort would know about (there seems to be alot of thoes). Maybe every horux this person got to has the same note. You know professer trailway or whatever(the weird lady that predicts) seems to always know about the future. Mabey she can tell where and what the horuxes are. Maybey shes the one. In book 3 she knew harry would face sirius. More importantly she knows the profecy. Shes the one who told dumbledore. The profecy voldemort never heard completely. Thats important! The only question is why RAB. Well if its backwards (BAR) maybey BAR means the Hogs Head where she recited the profecy. Just a thought. You have to be creative with this stuff. Otherwise its not……… a good theory.
December 1, 2005
i dunno why would u no hu leave a note 4 himself but i like the idea the it might not b RAB
December 1, 2005
# I agree that Regulus Black is indeed Dead, though is does not stop the theory that he stole the horcrux and hid it at #12. And deeply affected by the death of Dumbledore I am very quick to believe in any theory that dumby is still alive wether he is or not… but one thing is certain that snape is good, and what ever he did to Dumbledore was strictly Dumbledores order.If Dumbledore is truly dead, I beleive that he will definitly help harry through the use of the portraite. All though I am very suprised that no one has even mentioned the fact Hogwarts may indeed be closing for the next schedualed year. The school closing could change a great deal in the plot and affect a lot of things.
December 1, 2005
To # 175, as explained in book 5 and 6 they were destroyed that night in the ministry
December 1, 2005
And absoluty not. There is no possible way The new minister is Regulus. it is ridiculous. Rufis treated Dumbledore as an annoyance, had him tailed and detested Harry’s decision to side with Dumbledore. Know Dumbledore is all about destorying Volemort why would Rufis (Regulus) not tell Dumbledore about it? It holds no ground at all. Sorry
December 2, 2005
ok as far as im concerned this is how it goes…dumbledore is not dead there are to many clues to show hes not also Snape is good once again to many clues to prove he is. and harry is a horcrux hence the “neither can live while the other survives and also check this out http://www.harryisahorcrux.com... i figured it out and thought i would try my luck and voila!!!! if anyone wants to argue with me Bring It ON!!!!
December 2, 2005
Also RAB is Regulas as in his note he says that i will be dead long before you read this and how would he know that if he hadnt left voldemort and expected to be killed. Also something tells me that crouches old house elf comes into it *just a hunch*
December 2, 2005
To #179
I think dumbledore meant g