As I mentioned previously I fancy having a go at working out what is going on in the world of Harry Potter. I'm going to split my theories up into a series of posts, each about a different element of the books. Since I've already mentioned him this one is going to be about RAB.
RAB are the initials of a character mentioned towards the end of book 6, Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. The initials are found in a message which is in a locket which is, initially at least, thought to be a Horcrux. The message reads:
To the Dark Lord I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match you will be mortal once more.
R.A.B.
When I read the book a single name sprang to mind immediately; Regulus Black. But how can we be sure this is correct? Obviously there is no way to be 100% certain, but I find it hard to believe the solution would be that straight forward...
Arguments FOR Regulus Black
The idea that Regulus Black is RAB is by far the most popular conclusion and there seems to be lots of things that pop up confirming the theory.
The letter refers to the 'Dark Lord' rather than Voldemort, or 'he who must not be named'. Only Death Eaters call Voldermort the Dark Lord so this is our first clue that the person is Regulus since he is a Death Eater who ran away.
In the Order of the Phoenix chapter 6, 'the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black' it is mentioned that Sirius, Regulus Brother, had an uncle named Alphard who left the 'a decent bit of gold' and, apparently, 12 Grimmauld Place - the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix. Using names from relatives is fairly common practice in the UK. We know this has happened in the past, Ginnies middle name is Molly (her mothers name), so it's not inconceivable that the A is his uncles initial passed down.
In the same book a 'heavy locket that none of them could open' is mentioned which is found in 12 Grimmauld Place, it couldn't be opened and was thrown away, but we later learn that Kreacher, the house elf, has stolen the it. Could this be the Horcrux that was replaced by the locket that Dumbledore and Harry found?
Arguments AGAINST Regulus Black
Hands up, I don't have ANY sort of argument against Regulus Black being RAB, apart from my gut feeling that it's so obvious that it can't be true. It has been speculated the R.A.B. is the initials for two people, R And B - but I find the unlikely as well. If it was R and B then the a would be little and wouldn't have a full stop after it. In fact R and B would most likely be written that way and not made to look like a single person.
Speculation
What people don't realise is that Sirius Black is a false name,' says Mrs Purkiss. 'The man people believe to be Sirius Black is actually Stubby Boardman, lead singer of popular singing group The Hobgoblins, who retired from public life after being struck on the ear by a turnip at a concert in Little Norton Church Hall nearly fifteen years ago. I recognised him the moment I saw his picture in the paper. Now, Stubby couldn't possibly have committed those crimes, because on the day in question he happened to be enjoying a romantic candlelit dinner with me. I have written to the Minister for Magic and am expecting him to give Stubby, alias Sirius, a full pardon any day now.
I'm guessing this is a reference to Regulus since we know Sirius was there 'the day in question' (although he IS innocent). Also in an earlier chapter Sirius mentions that Regulus died 15 years previously, which would be the same year Harry's parents were killed, and probably before Sirius was taken to Azkaban. JK rarely mentions anything without some sort of reason so is this is some sort of proof that Regulus didn't die and just went into hiding (as a rock star?).
I do wonder if too much thought is being put into the whole RAB issue, and it's just a red herring and not overly important... Everyone is speculating on this and forgetting about the more 'important' issues in the rest of the story.
If you could keep comments ontopic that would be great - I'm looking forward to seeing what people think.
just a while ago i have reread all 6 books in a couple of days so if i dont make sense forgive me i am wary b/c lack of sleep
Voldemort in Book 4 says of his death eaters. "There are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead, one too cowardly to return - he will pay, one who has left me - he will be killed one who remains my faithful servant - he will re-enter my service."
after the 4th book came out many yrs ago i thought the 1st had to be karkaroff then snap finally crouch who was at the school. then thinking now i thought recall crouch having a dark mark on his arm so i dont belive he would be considered a death eater. so now i think regulus must register in there somewhere.
but maybe the 1st is snape b/c when snape face harry in the 6th book he gets all touchy about being call a coward?
i came on here to try and strength the theory that regulus is RAB but now im even more confused
that Rowling is a genius
June 4, 2007
i just read number #574
i dont think dumbledore was a horx
but i cant remember wat number said maybe it is in harry now from the potion in book 4 vold can touch harry so maybe it did go in harry and he didnt put the 6th horx in nagini hes just possessing her. so in book 7 maybe they both die. its either ron or harry in book for at the christmas dinner the 13 people thing 1st one to stand up dies ron and harry didnt know who. i dont think ron will die.
***so to save the world harry will kill vold then maybe he gets a blow that kills him too (*the last horx)
June 4, 2007
I am almost convinced that harry is a horcurx. If Voldemort felt that harry could be the one to defeat him, what better thing could he do then make harry a horcurx? If this is true, harry cannot kill Voldemort without killing himself. It is true also that Voldemort would have to destroy one of his own souls, but he thinks he has others still (he doesn’t know they are destroyed). Maybe Voldemort didn’t want to kill harry when he was one year old, because harry might have grow up and joined Voldemort, so he made a horcurx instead. This would explain why:::: 1) harry can feel Voldemort’s feelings and see some Thoughts of his;;; 2) why he was Nagini (the snake) when it attacked Aurther;;; 3) why harry has his scar (someone told harry one that the killing curse shouldn’t leave a scar, it should just kill)
June 4, 2007
i just saw on mugglenet the albus dumbledore bio it say aberforth is the bartender at hog's head so he couldnt help harry or be ms figg
June 8, 2007
Hows this for a theory:
When Voldermort give Wormtail his new hand in GOF, it was metallic. When you take Polyjuice Potion, it is only to be used on humans. (Still with me?). In HBP, in Spinners End chapter, we learn Wormtail is holed up with Snape. Back at the school, Dumbledore has his blackened hand which we learn has been blackened because of the Ring horcrux. What if, the polyjuice potion made by Slughorn was taken by Wormtail and it made his metallic hand appear blackened. This could be Wormtails way of repaying Harry for not allowing him to be killed in POA.
Just a thought to throw in the mixer so I could stir up more theories about Dumbledore not being dead etc etc.
June 8, 2007
It's Burke.
June 10, 2007
Rite people yeh the whole RAB/Regulus thing... seems obvious enough though could be just what JKR wants and if she's said in an interview that it isnt as i read somewhere aboove then it just makes it more interestin. i aslo had the Kreacher revelation myself though the only thing i had trouble with was deciding what side Snape is on.
Im thinking he's DD's man though if it looks like a win for the dark side he wont have any moral issues with jumpin ship. However we are forgetting that if Snape didnt help Draco he was breaking his vow to Narcissa, and we know that DD would sacrifice himself for any one of his pupils including young Malfoy.
Has anyone noticed the similarities between Draco and Harry i mean they've both lost fathers one way or another to Voldy, both their mothers risked/gave their lives for them and both have been put forward as a sort of young saviour for their side... Harry has been prepared and trained to fight LV (occlumency/ DADA/ Triwizard etc.) whereas Draco was marked a DE at only 16 has been trained in occlumency by aunty Bellatrix and has always just like Harry been aware of things going on in the school that other students arent.
He is definitly a character to watch out for and not necessarily as a 'bad guy'
June 11, 2007
Harry is the Seventh Horcrux.
Voldemort could have been trying to make him one the night he killed harry's Parents and after seperating the soul seven times is how Voldememort became weak this is how Harry can speak Parsle tonge and why Voldemort can posess Harry and see through his mind and also this is why he got the scar .
This would be quiet clever as Voldemorts supposed nemesis would not be able to kill Voldemort it seems the thing that he would do also if my theory is correct who will deliver the final blow if any.
This may contradict Voldemort using Harry's death to split his soul but that is not very vital as he could still split his soul by using someone other than Harry.
Dumbledore says that you can use a person but it is not wise because of free will.
Also there is no evidence that Voldemort ever tried to kill Harry because as far as we now there were no witnesses apart from Harry and Voldemort as the parents are dead; and Harry states that he remembers flashes of green light but the curses that he sees didn't have to be aimed at him.
Voldemort tries to kill Harry multiple times throughout the series after their first encounter but it is only after Harry begins to be a nuisence in the Philosophers Stone when Harry refuses to surrender it that he orders Harry's death.
Voldermort seems hesitent when he meets Harry to murder him there and then which is because Harry is a Horcrux and he is unaware of the state of the remaining six.
Dumbledores views on the matter are only guesses (i think) and are not solid facts as far as i now.
PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU CAN PROVE MY THEORY WRONG!
June 12, 2007
The Burge - since it's your theory the onus is on you to prove your theory correct, not on others to prove it wrong. Of course nobody can prove anything (including you) because of the fact that only a small handful of people know what is going to happen.
The theory itself is interesting, I don't know whether I believe it or not.
June 12, 2007
We are Chinese HP fans. We agree 'bout your opinion about the real identify of R.A.B.
We also have another question, that is how Sirius Black fell into that door? Will R.A.B be him?
If you have more ideas, please send an email to us:
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Thanks a lot.
June 14, 2007
Hey, thats a really good guess, with sirius coming out as R.A.B... hmmm
now that i ponder about it for a few seconds,
anyways what if its DD's Brother that did it?
or has anyone thought of the idea that DD's bro is.... dumbledore sometimes with the memorys ( remember when sometimes people take "their" memories out of their heads, well dumbledore usually did until one time even though it was his memory he took it out of a bottle...) So ui'm thinking, hmm maybe DD's bro is drinking Polyjuice potion, and then remember when DD suddenly revives when he see's the dark mark over the school? but he was sooooo weak before, i'm wondering... just wondering whats happening.... such a nice weave JK's rolled
June 14, 2007
oh my christ. americans really shouldn't be allowed to share their thoughts on books. it makes for truly painful reading.
"...and then remember when DD suddenly revives when he see’s the dark mark over the school? but he was sooooo weak before, i’m wondering… just wondering whats happening…. such a nice weave JK’s rolled"
Like, OH MY GOD! i sooooooooooo totally can't wait for the new book!
June 15, 2007
Disagreement is fine but please don't start being offensive to people, especially unwarranted blanket generalisations of an entire nation.
June 15, 2007
to "oh my christ"
i don't really care, and btw I AM NOT american! because well i have my opinion on those uhhh, people....
and BUSH!!
and see, i'm a really big HP fan and do you have any clue whats running around in my mind? do you know how many possibilities there is, lots... and well me being me, i'm not so good at expressing, but heck why not try, i know i may suck at it but i like HP and thats what matters the most.
And what does it matter, if i like expressing Sooooooooo,
curva, musis sie naluczyc ze ludzie majom rozne methody do movienia (european language)
June 15, 2007
scratch that last post please.
Just to tell you, i'm not american...
i like using the word like, and "soooo"
soooooo what...
My ideas may make little sense but, i'm true Harry Potter fan. I think R.A.B, is either DD's Brother, or is Regulus Black.
June 15, 2007
Or Roberta Augustus Bird
June 19, 2007
Well it's a very nice theori... but!
what concerns Regulus_Black to be RAB, hmm it seems very unlogical if it where him because 1: he's dead 2: he was a weak wizard 3: he was a death eater..
im allmost sertant that it hasnt only been one person alone, who beated all voldemorts exstreamly deathly arrangements. I think its more likely that it has been two or more tegether doing it, (i know it woldnt fit with the letter from the locket, written in 1st, person)
But think about it, Dumbledore (the greatest wizard of all time, the only one voldemort have ever been afraid of) would not even have been able to steal voldemorts horcrux if it hadnt been for harry,,,
thats why i find it so doubtful that Regulus should be the one, that all by himself beated all of voldemorts ekstreamly dangerously arrangements, plus stole the horxcrux and even planted a fake one with a letter in it for him.
thats not all, i dont think JR would be so indiscreet with one of the books deffinatly big misteries.. i mean it havent been so hard to figure that it was Regulus, and its the first thing we throw ourself into because it seems so obvious. i think JR are trying to leet us astray.
I could very well be wrong about this.. but i just wanted to say that urs might be wrong aswell:)
June 20, 2007
To that annoying American,
I am also American and I am deeply offended by your butchering of the English language and terrible representing of our country.
I jest.
But seriously, RAB is Regulus, Snape is still a double agent, Dumbledore's dead and I doubt he will physically return.
Maybe a Ghost similar to the Priori Incantentem but he's dead.
June 20, 2007
Right, having spent the day on and off reading your posts. My head hurts from the repatition (and bloody text speak) but yes
I'm thinking R.A.B is Rugulus, yes he may have been a weak wizard but if he did it with Kreacher the it's quite possible.
DD IS dead, he may return somehow in the next one but it won't be in a physical form.
Snape, i'm not sure. He seems to be sitting on the fence(watch out for splinters)
I see the sense in Harry being a horcrux but not sure whether I am going with this theory or not yet. Harry being able to sense his moods and see his thoughs and doings I think is purely due to the connection made between them when the avada kedavra went wrong.
I am going with Nagini being one, It has been said that even for a parseltongue he has extrodinary control over her. The fact that he also seem to posess her might be something to do with it asewll
June 20, 2007
well, i think ur right about the nagini beeing a horcrux thing. but i think the reason of why voldemort have so much control over her and been so close to her, has something to do with his relationship with salazar..
But i cant see how u imagine the stealing of the locket possible even if he had Kreacher with him..?
let Kreacher drink it all ? or?
June 21, 2007
the guess that nagini is a horcrux supports my theory of harry being a horcurx becuase that could be why harry saw through the eyes of nagini when it attacted aurther weasley.. if both harry and nagini are horcurxes this would make perfect sense.
June 21, 2007
Harry couldnt be a horcrux.. because horcruxes are made by the most evil spell, and the objects are evil. Harry would sence the evil inside him, and we would have known by now if he where im pretty sure.
And second, it wouldnt make any sence, when Dumbledore tells harry that the powers that the Dark Lord know not, is love. and love sure aint evil, so i cant see any connection there
June 22, 2007
I was reading this webpage on snapes possible death. I agree with it, when it says that the potions book will play a role in his demise and harry's quest, but I don't think harry will kill snape. I believe Snape really is good and he will save harry in the end... maybe even if it means death.
June 22, 2007
I dont think that Horcrux objects neccisarily have to be evil. I think the Hufflepuff cup is a Horcrux and that wasn't really evil. Was it? Harry's connection with Nagini and Voldemort would make a lot more sense though if Harry was in fact a Horcrux.
And about Dumby's brother possibly replacing DD, I think it's interesting but a little to good to be true, i think.
I also think that Regulus Black is RAB because he may have had some sort of assistant such as Kreacher, or maybe some other ex-death eater.
Just a thought.
June 22, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B.
If you go to about the middle of the page it is talking about regalus (spelling) being the R.A.B. And it has a very good arguement. Sorry if this has been posted. It says that in the hp books published and translated in other languages, the B (standing for Black if you accept our theory) has been transladed to the letter for the respective color of black in that language. The two examples on the website are that in the Dutch book, the initials are R.A.Z, and the translation for the color black is 'zvort', and in the Norwegian book the the initials are R.A.S. And the translation for black is svart
June 22, 2007
i have heard that before.. it fits in most languages, but not all.. in some languages its spelled different from the contraction R.A.B, so u shouldnt count too much on it
June 23, 2007
qvist - do you have any proof of that? I'd be interested to read it if you have.
June 23, 2007
qvist: My question is, in the books/languages that are exceptions do they translate the "black" family name? Because as it says on that website in languages such as spanish, the name "Black" stays the same (it's not translated to negro), and so therefore does the initials
June 23, 2007
cant remember where i read it, though im sure it said that in 1 or 2 languages, still cant remember wich, but ill try to find it again,, (maybe it was wikipedia too.)
and brandon: dont know, didnt check up on the books in the spicific language,. but u make a point, it would be interresting to investigate further!
June 23, 2007
On the same page posted above, it says that french, and swedish it aint translated to the respective colour of the language. but it remains RAB.. hmm i find that a little strange.
June 23, 2007
just a quick question does anyone else think like me that DDS brother runs the hogs head, bcos in one of the bookd i think moody says thats DDs bro he always smeeled like sheep or sumthing like that and in one of the books it says that when they walked into the hogs head it smelt like sheep.
DD always likes to go in there? to see his brother? plus in the 6th book it he knows that death eaters are staying in the hogs head. Having his brother around might have been useful?? I agree with DD being dead althoug i think sirus might play a part in the final book. neville is going to have revenge for his parents i think snape is going to die saving Harry, ron or hermoine id going to die,
what i dont understand is how harry is going to defeat/kill V, voldermort being alot wiser than harry unless it is down to love?? i like the theory on the eyes!!
June 24, 2007
Just to let you know I have posted some more thoughts on the new book and a round up of some of the comments over here. Maybe we could carry on the conversation there? Of course you're welcome to talk here if you want
June 24, 2007
it could very well be DD's brother. it wouldnt surprise me, but what would his part be in the book? has he got some kind of important message to pass on? to harry maybe? or help him ? '
interresting though:)
June 24, 2007
I agree that DD's brother could very well be the Hog's Head owner. But I've also heard people guess that DD's brother is Ms. Figg due to her smell of cabbages, and the fact that polyjuice potion smells like cabbages.
I was just wondering if anyone had an idea who else Mrs. Figg could possibly be.
Any idea's?
June 24, 2007
Whoever this R.A.B guy is, he writes in his note that he expects to be dead even before Voldemort finds out about lost horocrux("...I know I will be dead long before you read this but ..."). Why did he feel so? Whom was he expecting to be killed by if not Voldemort?And why has everyone assumed that Voldemort killed or had RAB killed.Sirius said so but wasn't sure why. Surely Voldemort will go after R.A.B only after he realised that his Horocrux had been stolen and he had actually come to the cave and checked the sink, and in that case RAB would die only after Voldemort had read the note.So What exactly happened? Can any one tell me?
June 24, 2007
i think we all want to know:) guess only JR knows for sure, and untill the book is out we can only guess.
But maybe he thought that if voldemort had made a horcrux he would propably not die soon, and wouldnt need to check up on it, so he would be dead before he did so..
well just a lame thought, but just to get something started:)
June 25, 2007
all i know is that i have recently reread the books and i hav come to the conclusion that harry does die
because of firenze in the first book when he tells of mars and about how he think sth stars have been read wrong and he hopes that is the case for harrys sake
upon first reading you thnink this has to do with that current year but centors know things far further in advance and the scene continues on to say how the centars got angry a firenze for moving harry from voldemort.. because something was supposed to happen
June 25, 2007
listen people....
dumbledores dead, the theory of him pleading with snape to infact finish him as oppose to saving him is interesting and quite believable, the most likely suggestion is that he will have left harry a lot of information in the pensieve i think the portrait wont be of much use and dumbledore was far too open minded to come back as a ghost unfinished business or not. Now Regulus seems the most likely person to have nicked the horcrux, as for him having an accomplice i really dont think it likely unless it was perhaps a house elf, remeber dumbledore said the boat judges how many people are in it by how much magical power it detects, and as harry was not even qualified and indeed young he was an exception. i think we should all accept dd's death although i think we can all agree we haven't quite seen the last of great auld man, he will have a role of most importance to play in the next book. your thoughts?
June 26, 2007
i would also like to add that i find the theory that harry is a horcrux most interesting as it would make sense when, that is to say if, he does indeed die in book 7 however i find it highly unlikely that voldemort ever planned to make him one at the time when he went after him as a baby. he went to destroy the human that would have powers that dark lord knows not, to "destroy his equal" but anything can happen i just think we should all not try too hard to boggle our minds and await the last adventure as it is... also just a tip, closer to the release date it would be wise to avoid the internet and news papers as spoilers, for me anyway, would F***ing P**s me right off.
cheers.
June 26, 2007
I cant wait until this last book is out, because my head is absloutely battered with all these interesting theories. I too, have starting rereading the books and in the very first one, when Dumbledore says he trusts Hagrid with his life, it just leads onto more theories about Dumbledore not being dead.
I dont think Harry will die, because Prof. Trewlaney predicts he will live a long life and become Minister for Magic. I know she was only ranting because of Umbridge, but you know JK Rowling throws the tiniest of things in her books which, in hindsight, become absolutely huge later on.
June 26, 2007
OK. Sadly I have been collecting my theories for years now, and I am VERY UPSET about the last book coming out as it means that this is the end of all my speculation and calculations. HOWEVER, as the new book is coming out very soon, I figure i must get my theories written down somewhere before the book is printed and read world-wide. So I apologize in advance if any of these theories have been discussed to death, but here goes, and by the way... this was a lot of work!!! And another by the way…I have never visited any theory sites before, so while many of my ideas might be way late to the scene, none are stolen from other people!!
R.A.B. = REGULUS ALPHARD BLACK.
This is, I think, one of the most obvious and most common theories surrounding the mysterious initials. Me and my buddy have come up with some other ridiculous theories, but none have the supporting details that Regulus has. The Black brothers had an uncle named Alphard, mentioned in ch.6, p.111, of the hardcover edition of book 5. As for the other supporting details, you all probably know this.
"To the Dark Lord. I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match you will be mortal once more.
R.A.B."
Thorough out the series, we have only ever heard Death Eaters refer to Voldemort as the Dark Lord, rather than "he-who-must-not-be-named," or "you-know-who." We know Regulus was a Death Eater but was murdered around the time of Voldemort's downfall. Also, notice that at the end of book 6, Hermione agrees with us when she speculates that it sounded as though R.A.B. knew Voldemort.
I do not believe there is any relation to Stubby Boardman, "lead singer of popular singing group The Hobgoblins", with Rowling you never know. She did turn a dead man into a rat after all... I suppose turning a dead man into a retired rockstar isn't too far of a stones through off the treaded path.
Finally, and I think, most convincingly, Regulus Black, though introduced in book 5, is mentioned 3 times at the very beginning of book 6, first on p.50, as Dumbledore is explaining the inheritance of #12 Grimmuald Place, then again on p.70, as Slughorn discusses old Slug Club members, and shortly after but I can’t remember when. I normally listen to the audio books, as it’s much easier to pick up theory that way. However I do remember feeling suspicious about the number of times Regulus was mentioned at the beginning of book 6 the very first time I read it, and once I made the R.A.B. connection, it made me sure that theory was right. But again, you never know.
THE LOCKET
There is also speculation that ties R.A.B. to Slytherin’s Locket in another way. This is, of course, during the cleaning of #12 Grimmauld Place, they unearth a heavy golden locket that none can open. This, being Regulus’s old dwelling, would be a perfect place to hide the Locket until he could find a means to destroy it, as the house is unplottable. However, if RAB is Stubby Boardman, and alive, then he would have destroyed it long ago. If he is not, and died before he could destroy it, it is likely that he would have hid it in his mothers house. We also see, on p.207, and p.437 of book 6, that Rowling describes Slytherin’s locket as a “heavy gold locket.†To me this seems the likely chain of events. I predict that the locket becomes Harry’s final Horcrux, and cannot find it for a long time, without realizing it is under his very nose in his own house.
THE OTHER HORCURXS
“the locket…the cup…the snake…something of Gryffindor’s or Ravenclaw’s†These are the remaining Horcruxes in Harry’s mind. We also know that the Diary and the Ring were both destroyed. The seventh part of Voldemort’s soul, of course, resides within the Dark Lord himself. As for their locations, the only one I have any guess scientific guesses about is the locket, and it being hidden in #12 Grimmuald Place.
However there is a quote from Dumbledore that concerns me. On p.505 of book 6.
“I am confident, however, that the only known relic of Gryffindor remains safe.†Dumbledore pointed his blackened fingers to the wall behind him, where a ruby-encrusted sword reposed within a glass case.
What if Dumbledore was wrong about that. What if he simply forgot about another relic of Gryffindor, that Tom Riddle could have used during his brief return to the castle. “Twas Gryffindor who found the way, he swept me off his head….†Sound familiar? It should. I can’t remember which book it is in, must be book 4, but the Sorting-hat was Griffindor’s. Of course, that’s just a little aside, as aside from Dumbledore’s inaccurate statement, I have no other evidence to support that theory. As for the cup, I have a feeling it’s in the Trophy Room, but again, no hard evidence.
DUMBLEDORE: DEAD or ALIVE
Now I don’t wanna be cheesy and say that Dumbledore is alive…they faked it. I do not think they faked it. I believe Dumbledore really was killed. Notice I say killed, not murdered, but more of that when I get to Snape.
There’s a lot to say on Dumbledore, but regarding his death or lack their of, I wonder what you will say when I confess that for a long time I have been curious about Dumbledore’s relation to phoenixes. Have you noticed, that everything connected to Dumbledore is related to Fawx or phoenixes. And what happened when a phoenixes when they die? Ah-ha! That’s right! They don’t die! They burst into flames and are reborn from the ashes. But wait a moment. I think I have another interesting quote. P.645 book 6.
"Then several people screamed. Bright, white flames had erupted around Dumbledore’s body and the table upon which it lay: Higher and higher they rose, obscuring the body. White smoke spiraled into the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but the next second the fire had vanished."
Well. I don’t think I can possible stress that point any harder than that. As for the question “Is he dead?†I don’t know. But I know how Rowling writes, and the phoenix connection will not disappear. It will be important in some way or another, weather it be a baby Dumbledore born in the ashes (Explaining why he has lived so long) or some other manifestation of the old headmaster. Though I believe him dead, I do not believe him gone. We will see some part of Dumbledore again in this last book…I think.
ABERFORTH DUMBLEDORE:
I was actually really proud of this one…once, in a happier time… before Harry Potter Theory Sites… He is first mentioned in book 4, when Albus Dumbledore tell Harry about his brother, who was prosecuted for using “inappropriate charms on a goat.†However this is not the only time he is brought up. In the beginning of book 5 the real Alastor Moody shows Harry Potter a picture of the Original Order of the Phoenix. (Haha, notice, phoenixes again.) He says that, that was the only time he had ever met Aberforth, hinting to me that Aberforths role in the Order was too secrete for any of it’s members but a few to know.
However about a month later, Harry goes into the Hogs Head, and feels that he recognizes the barman, but he can’t place it. ROWLING DOES NOT DO STUFF LIKE THIS WITHOUT A PURPOSE! Remember, Harry saw a picture of Aberforth recently, but could not place the face. Still don’t believe me, how bout this hint. Dumbledore often frequents the Hogs head when in need of a more quiet atmosphere, and that was where he was 15 years ago when, guess who, the barman captured Snape listening at the door.
Wait, theres more. When Voldemort returns to ask Dumbledore for a teaching job at Hogwarts, Dumbledore has accurate knowledge of the Death Eaters he has brought with him, and who are staying at the Hogs Head.
“You are omniscient as ever, Dumbledore.†Voldemort replies.
“Merely friendly with the local barman.†Dumbledore replies.
Bear in mind, that the “barman from the Hogs Head†attends Dumbledore's funeral as well. I guess I have hammered that one to death too, but there is one other thing I want to point out, and that is that in book 5, Sirius tells Harry that Mundungus Fletcher was banned from the Hogs head, and, “that barman's got a good memory.†Well, if that is the case, I find it rather odd that about a year later, in book 6, Harry Stumbles across Mundungus in possession of several Grimmuald Place items, while he is standing talking with, you guessed it, the barman from the Hogs Head. I find it odd that he would be chatting with the man who had banned him from his pub, especially as they are both in the Order...
I’m still working my head around how this all could fit together, but my wild fancies go something like: Abeforth Dumbledore and Mundungus are working together for Albus Dumbledore to find the Horcrux hidden in Grimmuald Place, but that’s just guess work. Just some odd things to point out.
Of course, while searching just now, to figure out if I was spelling Aberforth’s name correctly, I stumbled across a Wiki site on Aberforth, claiming that Rowling has already released the intel on him in fact being the barman at the Hogs Head. A part of me felt really good, as I figured all that out on my own… but another part of me feels like an idiot, for as I slaved away trying to look for all those hints, the rest of the world turned on the tv and watched as Rowling said “Yes. Aberforth is the barman at the Hogs head.â€
SNAPE
Ah Snape. Professor Snape, I should say. My favorite character. Severus Snape is by far the coolest guy in the history of cool guys. I would love to see him tear Brad Pit to pieces. I have TONS of theory on Snape, and again, I apologize for the length and possible repetitiveness of this post.
I think SNAPE IS GOOD. By good I in no way mean the opposite of evil, for the guy is a real arse as they say in the U.K. However, I believe him to be on Dumbledore’s side, if no one else’s. Now, where to begin.
THE UNBREAKABLE VOW: When Narsissa Malfoy visits Spinners end and begs Snape to aid Dracco in his task, Snape tells her he already knew of the plan. I had a slight feeling he was lying when he said this. But just a feeling, for although he is a master Occlumse, Narsissa might not be, and so it is possible that Voldemort could have found out what Snape said he knew by questioning Narsissa.
I do not know what Snape was to gain other than Narsissa and Belitrix’s trust if he did not know of the plan, but I still feel as though he did not know of the plan. Why? P.36 book 6.
(Snape’s hand twitched within hers, but he did not draw away)
AGAIN...ROWLING DOES NOT PUT IN DETAIL LIKE THAT, without it being very important, and as that twitch is never mentioned ever again, that single moment contains the most important detail in the book.
DUMBLEDORE"S MURDER? When Snape made the unbreakable vow, he unknowingly, I think, set in motion a track that would leave either himself or Dumbledore dead. There are several instances through book 6 that I feel point out that Dumbledore knew about this, but the instance that leaps out at me is the moment when Hagrid lets slip to the fab 3, that Dumbledore had argued with Snape.
P.405, book 6.
“Well- I jus’ heard Snape sayin’ Dumbledore took too much fer granted an’ maybe he – Snape – didn’ wan’ ter do it anymore-â€
Hagrid took this as Snape complaining about being overworked, But I believe that Snape was referring to the Unbreakable Vow. The wording did not seem connecting to a busy schedule (pronounced, sheh-jule) , but to a particular deed he had previously been intending to go through with. I believe he was telling Dumbledore he would rather break the vow and die, than go through with it, "it", being killing Dumbledore to maintain his cover……..why else… would Dumbledore have allowed him to take the DADA class.
Dumbledore knew, that because Snape had made the Vow, either he, or Snape would be dead by the end of the year. For Snape to die would accomplish nothing but allow Dumbledore to live. Dumbledore allowed Snape to take the DADA class knowing that one of them, hopefully himself, would be dead by the end of the year. And in either case, Snape would be in no position to continue working at Hogwarts as either a murderer or a corps. Also, notice that Dumbledore has set Harry a task, explained the prophecy so that Harry understands what it means and why it was made, and given him all the tools and understanding he needs to face Voldemort. He knew he was going to die, and had to make sure Harry was prepared.
Lastly, his last words: “Severus. Please†I believe he was begging Snape to do it. It had to be done, and he knew it was the hardest thing Snape would ever have to do. To betray someone you love, even if for the greater good, can be painful, especially for Snape....
WHY HARRY BELIEVES DUMBLEDORE TRUSTS SNAPE: Though there is less hard evidence for this, through out the Harry Potter books, Harry continuously asks why Dumbledore trusts Snape. Now, throwing aside the fact that we know Snape has saved Dumbledors life after the destruction of the Ring, we also know, that Dumbledore has had complete trust in Snape for the past 15-16 years. He constantly says it.
Of course, Harry think he find out the reason Dumbledore trusts him. In book 6, Harry discovers that while Trelawney was having her interview for the post of divinations teacher, Snape overheard her. He was the one who ran off and gave the Dark Lord the first half of the Prophecy. Dumbledore tries to explain what happened to Harry.
“You have no idea the remorse Professor Snape felt when he realized how Lord Voldemort had interpreted the prophecy, Harry. I believe it to be the greatest regret of his life and the reason that he returned-â€
Harry replies:
“But he’s a very good Occlumense, isn’t he, sir?†said Harry, whose voice was shaking with the effort of keeping it steady. “And isn’t Voldemort convinced that Snape’s on his side, even now? Professor…how can you be sure Snape’s on our side?â€
Pay close attention to the following quote. It
appears directly after the above.
Dumbledore did not speak for a moment; he looked as though he was trying to make up his mind about something. At last he said, “I am sure. I trust Severus Snape completely.â€
And that is that. Harry, like an idiot, goes away with the impression that the reason Dumbledore trusted Snape was that what he had done was, the greatest regret of his life. Harry is stupid. What, did he really not notice that Dumbledore refrained from giving him the real reason? WE NEVER FIND OUT WHAT THE REAL REASON IS, and I believe that whatever the reason was, it is the absolute key to Snape’s truthful turnaround. But what was the reason? I think I know.
WHY SHOULD WE TRUST SNAPE? What is the book about. Good vs evil? No. It’s about the POWER OF LOVE. All Dumbledore talks about, is Harry’s ability to Love, and Voldemort’s inability to understand it; his hatred of it. So what, if anything, could convince Dumbledore? Love could.
We know Snape hated Sirius, and Lupin, and a whole bunch of other people. We know a lot of them have ended up dead. But Snape is a tough cracker to claim to know inside and out. Sure, as a teenager he may have said and done some foolish thing. We know he hated James Potter. "And he didn’t think much of my mother. “Mudblood,†he called her." Says Harry in book 6. But we already know Harry is an idiot. (sometimes, we still love him though)
So Snape hated James. And insulted Lily. But wait.. Lily Evans…now…did he really hate her? It’s such a beautiful name. How could anyone hate someone named Lily Evans. How could anyone not love her. In fact... what if Snape had loved her.…? The remorse of betraying a loved one to their death would indeed have been the greatest regret of his life, and as Dumbledore wishes to spread love in the world, that would be the key to Dumbledore trust of Severus Snape.
Snape betrayed the woman he had fallen madly in love with…Harry’s Mother Lily Evans. And that, more than anything else, is why he hates Harry. Because Harry looks like James, and because Harry is the product of Lily’s love of a man he hated. That is what Dumbledore could not bring himself to tell Harry, that is why Snape did not want to go through with the Vow, that is why Dumbledore had to plead with him, to beg him to do it, to betray someone he loved, again. That is why Snape goes mad when Harry calls him a coward shortly after. He has just don’t the bravest thing he could ever do in his life, betray someone he loved, to their death, but for the right reasons this time. That is my all encompassing theory. It all revolves around Snape, and his love for Lily, and for Albus Dumbledore.
If anyone has any feedback on my theories, or wants to build on them, or argue them, please do so, and soon!! We only have about 24 days left before all our work becomes pointless!!!
June 27, 2007
I GOT THIS OF WIKIPEDIA...
In several foreign-language versions of the series, the surname Black has been translated into the respective language to correspond to the colour "black". In those cases, the 'B' in R.A.B. has been changed accordingly. For example, the Dutch edition uses the initials R.A.Z. in the locket note, and the Black family name is Zwarts[6], corresponding to "zwart". In the Norwegian edition, the note has R.A.S. (corresponding to the Svaart family or"svart")[7], and the Finnish edition has the letters R.A.M., (corresponding to the Musta family, or "musta")[8]. In other editions where the Black family name is not translated to the local language, the initials remain "R.A.B.". For example, the Swedish, Spanish, and French translations keep the family name "Black", rather than translating it to the respective Swedish, Spanish, or French words for "black" ("svart", "negro", and "noir" respectively), and the initials remain as "R.A.B."
June 27, 2007
#641. Dirge, If barman is indeed Aberforth, then has he been also in trail of horcruxes?And/Then did he really understand what he was getting from Mundungus that day in hogsmede when harry bumped into them? If he really got a horcrux in form of a locket, wouldn't he have told Dumbledore about it and hence harry would have known too. Ofcourse there is a possibility that Aberforth didn't realise its significance(I don't think so). Or that he Mundungus didn't give any locket that day, and that would mean that the locket is still with either Mundungus or at Sirius's house. Please add on.
June 27, 2007
or, not to forget, somewhere kreacher could have found for it.. i think its quite possible that if the locket in Grimmauld place #12 is indeed slitheryns horcrux, kreacher may have taken it, and hidden it somewhere, not necessarily in #12.. just a little add to where the locket might be to be found:)
June 27, 2007
Hi everybody,
I am quite pleased to see the update since I last left a message in May (no. 600 above).
Firstly, I would like to thank Dirge (no.641) for a very comprehensive message. I enjoyed reading the though process that has gone in, rather than the conclusions.
Secondly, I would like to bring to your attention that Ms. J.K. Rowling herself hints that R.A.B. is not Regulus Black in her interview with Emerson of MuggleNet and Melissa of The Leaky Cauldron. [Source:http://www.mugglenet.com/...torials/edit-bjtexan01.shtml
Finally, I also would like to bring to your attention what Dumbledore said to Harry about Horcrux (book 6, Horcrux chapter)... that he as well as Voldemort knew of someone who has split his soul into two.
I think, who ever this person is, will surface in this last book and will also play a major role. Has anyone felt the same?
Thanks,
Srihari
India
June 28, 2007
In the norwegian translation, RAB is RAS.
Regulus Black is called Regulus Svart.
In the dutch translation, RAB is RAZ.
Regulus Black is called Regulus Zwarts.
As good a sign as any that RAB is Regulus.
June 28, 2007
stian.. we discussed the translations before and if JR says its not regulus, i dont think it is,.. cuz i dont think she would lÃe. But that doesnt mean it couldnt be a black! actuatly im pretty convinced that it is a black. though not regulus, but andromera is another idea.?
June 28, 2007
R.A.B regulus black, plain simple,
yd it matter if anyone is related 2 gryfindor it aint gonna help people and 4 harry being a horcrux it is impossible unless intended and if intended then voldermort wud be stupid 2 kill himself. dumbledore cant cum back if hes ded. hes like anuther normal person, he cud cum back if he was like voldermort who split his soul but luks nuthin like a half ded.
June 29, 2007
stefania #642
i stopped reading after about comment 100 and skipped down so im not sure if this has been mentioned yet.
its not a very slid theory, but i thibk that Amelia Bones, the whitch reported murdered in the begining of half blood prince is RAB....just a thought
but stafnia's comment on #642 is most convincing
June 30, 2007
12 Grimauld place would NOT have been left to Regulus if he was alive. Sirius will left the house to harry and that would presumably void that fact.
June 30, 2007
In the book, a family tree hangs in Grimmauld Place, Sirius Black's family home. But J.K. Rowling listed only four of the names on it. When the time came to build the set, producer David Heyman called her and asked if she had any suggestions on filling out the rest of the tree. "Fifteen minutes later, she sent me a complete family tree with seventy five names," Heyman says. Look closely, Potterheads: That's 71 new potential clues to the Black family history. -- Jacob Sager Weinstein
This was taken from the slideshow regarding the next hp movie at this url:http://movies.aol.com/...-order-of-the-phoenix-set-visit
more specifically it is slide 16
I vaguely remember seeing something on this before, so sorry if this is a repeat
I'm sure we'll have a lot of moviegoers on there feet when they see this scene coming along.
June 30, 2007
I think it could be regulus, but do not think he is alive, for in an interview Rowling said "Well, he's dead, so he's pretty quiet these days", so just before regulus knew he was going to be killed by voldemort so he took the horcrux "in the face of death". Just a thought...
July 3, 2007
rab = professor binns?
July 3, 2007
rab = Bloody Baron
July 4, 2007
I believe that R.A.B is not Regulus because that is too obvious. Didn't Sirius say that Regulus was week and he quit being a death eater. Also, Regulus isn't very important either, according to Sirius, because he was murdered on Voldemort's orders and the Dark Lord only murders those of great power.
The person who stole the Horcrux must have been very close to him. It has to be a death eater or an Order Of Phoenix member. However, it could also have been the two kids that Riddle terrorised on the field trip in that cave. It would, after all have to be someone who knew Voldemort as a young child, so my money is on those kids.
It could also have been Bagman's father because Bagman says in the fourth book that Augustus Rookwood(a death eater) was an old mate of his dad's. What if his dad was a bit more than mate of Rookwood's and an actual Deth Eater himself?
However, it could still be Regulus because Rowling did say that the mirror Sirius gave Harry is of importance in the next book. Harry could fix the mirror and may possibly be able to communicate with Rgulus! This is providing that Regulus had the mirror when he died.
Regulus' initials also match, Regulus Arcturus Black.
Please let me know if you thought my theory was any good.
July 4, 2007
pretty much the same as nr 617:) exept from the bagman thing.. my opinion on the children thing, is that it is besides the bottle of possebilities. well i mean it just has to be an witch or a wizard, there's no way a muggler could have stolen the horcrux, i simply cant see how and i dont believe it.
but anyway its a theory
July 4, 2007
Kreacher could not have accompanied Regulus because he's a house elf, so when Regulus would have asked him to 'kill me', he would have no choice but to kill him.
July 5, 2007
The person that Srihari is talking about could be Snape. He did kill Dumbledore, after all.
July 5, 2007
@657:
well regulus propably didnt drink the potion himself;P
(if rab is regulus though).. he would ofc let kreacher drink it, and then take the falls horcrux and place it instead of the real one.. and the boat wouldnt sence Kreacher, so the theory is quite possible.
July 5, 2007
Srihari: This person could also be Grindelwald. The wizard Dumbledore defeated in 1945.
July 6, 2007
Hi osama,
Good memory! Yeh, the chocolate frog card did say that... "Prof. Dumbledore is particularly famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald in 1945, for..."
Surprisingly, this dark wizard's name (mentioned in Book-1, Chap-6) was never mentioned again.
Yeh... Grindelwald could most probably be this person, whom Dumbledore refers to as someone who has split his soul into two, and whom even Voldemort also knew. Making Horcrux is indeed a dark art.
Since, Dumbledore has already defeated Grindelwald, there might not be any reference to this person in the last book. What do you think about it?
July 6, 2007
I tottaly agree with you. When I read that about the locket that couldn't be open, I just sort of bypassed it. But then after a while, I went back and read that part, I relized then that there was no doubt that regulas was R.A.B. But coudln't it be someone else, using an alias? How do we know that it wasn't Snape carrying out Dumby's orders? Maybe that's what they were fighting about... but then why would Snape go and kill Dumby... sorry I was thinking while typing. But anywhoo, I just started the Half-Blood prince for like the millionith time, so maybe i'll come up with something more. Every time I reread one of the books, I learn something new, that I bypassed the other time's I read the book!!!
July 7, 2007
this has nothin to do with wat everyones talkin about but i realized a loophole.
wen montague was stuck in between hogwarts and borgin and burkes, malfoy said that he appareted out but it says in an earlier book that montague turned up inside of a toilet in hogwarts.
how would he have been able to apparate into hogwarts?
July 8, 2007
why shouldnt u be able to?
July 8, 2007
it saysabout 50 times that you cant apparate inside of or
into hogwarts
July 8, 2007
hello, im only up to reading messages posted in 2005 so sorry if somebody has already said something along these lines.
Harry is definately a Horcrux. It was probably a mistake in the aftershock of Harry surviving Voldemort's avada kedavra curse or something like that. It would explain why Harry is a parselmouth and can feel Voldemort's feelings, see what he's doing etc etc. This connection between Harry and Voldemort is too strong to just be a result from being cursed.
I think that Harry will somehow use dementors to get Voldemort's soul out of his body. Remember, the Dementors Kiss removes the soul through the mouth...
Anyway, the book comes out next week, so we'll know then!
July 9, 2007
actually i don't believe that sirius is dead yet. they never said that sirius died, he just disappeared behind the veil
July 9, 2007
My nephew, who is an authority on Harry Potter, believes Harry's scar is a horcrux. I agree with him. It explains a lot about how Harry had access into Voldemorts thoughts in Order of the Phoenix and why the sorting hat had problems sorting him. In his head, somewhere, Harry has a portion of Vol's soul. It fits with the prophecy as well - 'one cannot live while the other survives'. If Vol is killed at the end of Deadly Hallows (and he MUST die) Harry's scar will disappear. Whether this will mean Harry must die too I don't know. I hope not.
I don't think this theory appears anywhere above but I haven't read everything so I hope I'm not repeating what someone else has written.
July 10, 2007
To number 663, It also says that when he did apparte out of the cabnet, he ended up in the toliet BECAUSE he apparted out.. Of course that could just be me reading between the lines.
July 11, 2007
Dumby said that the only known relic of Griffindor was the sword in his office... he was wrong.
The sorting hat was also Griffindors, could this be used as a horcrux? I personally think this is digging a bit, but it is interesting.
July 11, 2007
Ohhh... but we are still missing Ravenclaw aren't we?
July 11, 2007
The sorting hat has to have plently of charms and other stuff protecting it from being harmed by curses or jinxes. Otherwise, a little punk could just bewitch it and make it put it in the house it wants, or an enemy could, so I don't think the Hat could be a Horcrux.
July 11, 2007
To carol, this was all explained in the fith book, harry got that scar because the dark lords curse left it there, it's because of harry's mother's love that he has that scar, I believe you are mistaken on that one, but if you have evidence I would love to hear it.
July 11, 2007
ii have a question... What side is Sirius's brother on - the good guys or the bad guys?
If he is with the good guys then it is probably he who destroyed the locket - but if he is with the bad guys then i think it would be someone else because you would'nt destroy one of your master's souls.
July 12, 2007
blaaahhh yea post 47 was a long time ago but the part im interested in, it goes like this for those of u too lazy to scroll up.
the coward - kakaroff
the one who left him - snape
the faithful servent who will re-join him - Barty Crouch Jr.
yea that was probably said b4 now but i wanted to correct it myself =D
and to post 670 i doubt voldy would want to make his horcrux something that sings and wiggles around in front of the whole school... it draws too much attention to itself and dumby would have realized it long before if it was one.
July 12, 2007
i however think that harry may be a horcrux and that if he is voldy will want it out of him (obviously) but i think he will either try to make harry get it out by making a horcrux and placing voldys soul piece in it ( think about it harry already wants to kill Snape, and personally i would enjoy snape dieing by the hand of his own Sectumsempra curse, but voldermort wont really care obout snapes life, he would gladly throw him away if it ment he could get his piece of soul out of harry.)
Or, maybe just maybe a dementor could suck it out? i dono about this theory i was thinking about it last night. however a dementor would go after misery and voldermort doesnt really feel anything does he. so if it had to choose i bet the dementor would munch on harrys soul before it bit into voldys part of soul. =p just a thought.
July 12, 2007
referring to post 670... i think
im not quite sure about this but isnt the sorting hats ravenclaw's, i think i remeber something about it saying that it received ravenclaws brain or somethin
and as for the regulas black theory i partly agree due to an interview i read with JKR saying taht no new characters would be introduced so i figured it must be him as he was the ony one i culd think of, but regulus wasnt really portrayed as the kind of guy that would deceive lord voldemort... it was pretty clearly implied that he was a wuss, serious himself said he was killed because he got cold feet so.... i cant really see him as having a role like that
i also dont see how R.A.B could get that locket by himself/herself, the greatest known wizard himself (dumbledore) had trouble getting it with harry's asitance which made me consider the multiple person theory about R.A.B not being just one person
well thats my thoguhts anyway....
July 12, 2007
to post 677.
he could have made kretcher go with him.
and that would explain why kretcher is such a freak. if he was forced to drink that potion like dumby was it may have had devistating lasting effects that we couldnt see happen to dumbledore cus he was killed and chucked off a roof.
July 12, 2007
to 670.
cant believe u still desgussing the "hat is a horcrux" subjebt still. read jr's web page man,
@677.
ye that would pretty much be my argument aswell, for RAB not to turn out regulus.
anyway the translations really point at a black, but not nessaserily regulus. what about andromera, tonks mother, she probably was a much stronger wizard than regulus, and because she was a black, maybe she would also have the same kontrol over kreacher, and made him drink the potion.
and yea hehe that could actuatly explain why kreacher is so screwed up;p
but can anyone tell me on wich time andromera lived? it would maybe clear the theory up a little.
July 12, 2007
i'm predicting that in the seventh book we will discover that the whole time Hedwig has actually been an animagus in disguise
July 13, 2007
yer i see the kreacher point, and kreacher certainly wouldnt tell harry if he didnt demand it of him
i been wonderin bout the regulus black part and well looking at a fair bit of info on wikipedia, it certainly shows even more evidense that it WAS him though i still dont see why he would turn against voldemort, i can see why he'd get cold feet but i cant see why hed have the guts to go AGAINST him when he can barely back down from being a detah eater
im still tryin to find more evidence and will get back ad leave a comment if i do...
July 13, 2007
i also noticed (and agree to a previous message above mine somewhere lol) about the locket being at 12 grimauld place, coz its discribed as a "heavy locket" both in ORDER OF THE PHOENIX and in an overview on a website, so that sorta shows that they are explainin the same object.... hehe i just love talkin crap and tryin to find connections...
July 13, 2007
RAB is aberforth dumbledore (he disguised his name so voldemort would not know) or regulus black. the latter is more probable.
July 14, 2007
in other languages, they have changed the "b" from RAB, to another letter representing the colur black in that language. for example, in dutch it is RAZ and black in ducth is zwartz,lol. it has to be regulus (alphard or arcturus as a middle name) black.
July 14, 2007
There are two things that i noticed that i have to say.
The first is more of a question. Did anyone who saw the fifth movie keep a close eye on the family tree in Grimmauld Place? I tried to and didnt see anything of significance except for the name "Arcturus" (sp). I know that rowling gave them an extensive family tree to use for the movie so i thought that there might be some other interesting facts in there but i didnt notice anything.
The second is also about the movie. My reasoning is that if the locket that kreecher had in Grimmauld place was in truth a horcrux, that would in my opinoin be an essential part of the story. So i would think that they would include that into the movie but there was no locket at all in the movie so that leads me to believe that the locket that kreecher had was not really slytherins locket. This could just be completely falso though because the moviemakers have ways of working things out while still leaving parts out.
This is just something that i thought of and i dont necesarily know if i even believe it.
July 15, 2007
regulus black is R.A.B all the clues go togeter from what i got from the j.k.r diary website about the black family which i spend months hacking at R.A.B is Reulus Arcturus Black hope this will give you a clue in book one and two when harry is speaking to dumbldore at the end of the books.
July 15, 2007
Hi every1 i just had a thought as i read through the top 20 quotes. I could be repeating something that somebody else has suggested but bare with me as i only have read a few theories . .
When lilly sacrificed herself to save harrys life she put a special magic on him that protected him from vol.
So does that mean harry has a new magic protection after dumbledores sacrifice?
Also i do believe that harry is a horcrux . . if i remember correctly it has been said by DD in one of the books the reckoned vol left a piece of himself in harry after the attack.
AND finally . .
I think harry will discover this in the final book and kill himself so that the dark lord can be defeated.
Its magic people, Anything can happen.
July 16, 2007
its all obvious why severus snape killed dumbledore.
he has vowed to protect/help malfoy, malfoys job is to kill dumbledore. Snape had no choice or else he would have died. he is waiting for the removal of the curse to repay the favour he owes james.
July 16, 2007
Reguarding post 687:
Even though i dont want to believe it, i think that Harry sacrificing himself to allow voldermort to be killed is very believable. He just has the hero mentality and would do anything even take his own life to protect others.
One other thing:
I know this is a uk forum but for any americans that saw the today show interview with d.r. He was saying that there is a very very small chance that rowling might do an eight book....i think that will be very interesting...maybe she wont publish it for years and years to come....could be very fun
July 16, 2007
to brandon. ur quit rite i read tht in a few websites so she might b doing another 1
July 16, 2007
I believe that Snape was in some way forced to kill Dumbledore because of the Unbreakable Vow he made with Draco's mother. If Draco failed at killing Dumbledore he would certainly have been killed by Voldemort, which ultimately could lead to Snape's death by means of his broken vow. This act could also help Snape become even more trusted by the Dark Lord, giving the Order inside information. I still believe that Snape is "a good guy" simply because Dumbledore gave him his trust up until the very end, I believe this means a great deal. This all of course is my personal opinion
July 16, 2007
harry related to voldemort! well think about it. voldemort says he didnt need/want to kill lily but he needed to kill harry, he also needed to kill his father james. voldemort has killed all his family and he says he is seeking immortality. so maybe james was related to him thus making harry related to him, so harry may be all that stands in voldemorts way to becoming immortal the death of voldemorts relatives could be a part of becoming immortal. another backup is that he says he wont kill harry if he gets the philosopher stone. that would make him immortal and so he wouldnt need to kill harry. im guessing killing harry is easier than making another stone.
July 16, 2007
R.A.B= CODENAME FOR ALBUS DUMBLEDORE
July 17, 2007
to bub
obviously harry and voldemort are not realted! in the fourth book voldemort needs harrys blood to come back to power and if they were related he would already have harrys blood in him!!
July 17, 2007
stefanie. its stated that he needs it so he can touch/kill harry. having harry's blood does not mean harry is alive. the moment he dies he would still have blood in him.
July 17, 2007
Just speculation- but what if RAB is not 1 person!
The message to the Dark Lord uses "I" as a pronoun, but RAB could also be:
RONALD, ARTHUR, BILL I.E: Weasleys.
Nevertheless, this is speculation
July 17, 2007
he i think u are right but also how come when dumbeldore got killed he flew back from snapes curse but isnt the avra kadavra ment to make u drop down dead and there might still be a time changer a we do not no if hermine gave it back. i also think creature and neville will be in it a lot more as if u have seen the movie u can tell they didnt want to put him in as he had such a small part. also when harry thought he wa paralised from fear it might of been snapes curse so he did not get killed snape has saved harrys live before why not again. and i think dumbeldore will be back as like i said the curse is ment to make u fall down dead not to fly out of a window
i also think tht hagrids brother will have a part as he is like the only giant on there side it sounds like. neville to kill betrix person and wheres dobby in the last book. ron or hermine will die and malfoy and i beleive tht harry i a horcox thing so tht wat it mean by the other one can not live while the other one survives. also voldermort might have had to be a horcox for harry so he could get the final 7 parts which is meant to be the must powerful number in magic. the locket is defenitly with creature and i think tht the twins will be bigger
everyone from the d.a. will fight with the deafeaters along with the order some thing about beertrix the death eater as how come she made her kill sirius not malfoys dad or something it also links in with neville as she tortured his parents
cant
July 17, 2007
Hey, I've re-read the sixth book and am reading everyone's comments. But who is Aberforth and Rookwood?
By the way, I completely agree with the theory that Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him, but I disagree with the motive one person mentioned. Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him so that Malfoy wouldn't have to. Dumbledore wanted Malfoy to stay on the bright side so he PLEADED for Snape to kill him.
more evidence: the book said that Dumbledore was pleading towards Snape, he wasn't begging (two different things). You plead for someone to do something, but you beg for someone not to do something
July 17, 2007
i just finished re-reading the fifth book and realized something.
We all know that for the most part J.K. Rowling doesnt introduce things into the book unless they are going to serve a purpose somewhere down the line. I believe that the mirror that Sirius gave Harry has to come back into play somwhere. I'm not sure exactly for what, but it seems very probable
July 17, 2007
Doesnt Harry's blood have love in it, something that Voldemort knows not. And i remember reading in the fourth book when harry tells Dumbledore that Voldemort used Harry's blood, Harry thinks he sees a glimpse of a triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. Which could mean that Voldemort overlooked something that Dumbledore thinks is much more important. More important than the fact that Voldemort can finally touch Harry without hurting himself. Maybe it has to do with Love but maybe not
July 17, 2007