Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #2: Dumbledore
August 29, 2005 | Harry Potter
This post is a follow on from my earlier Harry Potter theory about RAB.
So, let’s start with the obvious…
Is Dumbledore really dead?
There are people who seem to think that Dumbledore hasn’t died and is actually still alive and kicking. I disagree. Whilst the arguments on sites like DumbledoreIsNotDead.com appear to be based in truth, they could be reversed to explain that yes, he has gone.
There is a book called ‘The Hero with a Thousand Faces’ - you can read a decent summary here - which explains the hero’s journey, also known as a monomyth. Essentially what this is, is a template for heroic adventure; a structure that heroic stories generally follow.
Often in heroic stories the mentor of the lead character dies before the hero has the final confrontation with the ultimate evil. This is seen time and time again, famously in films like Star Wars (Obi Won killed by Vader - “Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”), and the Lord of the Rings (Gandalf dies - resurrected, but the hero doesn’t realise this after the quest is complete). There are reasons for this as well. If Dumbledore isn’t dead then he will feel compelled to help Harry in the final battle, likewise Harry will feel he has to protect Dumbledore. The death of the mentor is generally the turning point, the catalyst, it turns the reluctant hero into the ‘enthusiastic’ hero. The death of the mentor is also the signal that the hero has learned everything he needs to, Harry now knows how to defeat Voldemort - he just doesn’t realise it.
So he’s gone then..?
I don’t think so. Is he dead? Oh yes - but we’ve already seen him once, in a painting, in the headmasters office. We’ve seen the paintings do some pretty cool things, and Dumbledore’s is bound to be special. Harry said he won’t be going back to Hogwarts as a student, and I don’t think he will, but I can’t see the entire book being devoid of the school that has been his home for the last 6 years.
Snape
somebody else had spoken Snapes name, quite softly. “Severus…” The sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading. Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. … Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face. “Severus… Please…”
Before he dies Dumbledore begs Snape to do … something. Whether he was pleading for his life, or pleading for Snape to kill him, which is another post entirely, Dumbledore knew that death would follow shortly.
Dumbledore - gone but not forgotten…
Dumbledore is clearly one of the most important characters in the entire series, there are a number of things he has said and done that still need to be resolved…
He said my blood would make him stronger… He said the protection my mother left me — he’d have it too. …he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face.
For a fleeting instant, Harry though he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes.
There has been speculation on this quote in a number of places, so I figured I’d throw something else into the pot. What if something in Harry was turned into a Horcrux, and now Voldemort has had some of it returned? When Goblet of Fire came out we new nothing about Horcruxes, but there is nothing to say that there hasn’t been any references to them in past books. I must admit that I don’t think this theory is particularly likely, but Harry has obviously passed something of himself over to Voldemort, and Dumbledore has a pretty good idea (knows?) of what it is.
Maybe the sharing of blood has something to do with this?
“She doesn’t love me,” said Harry at once. “She doesn’t give a damn –”
“But she took you,” Dumbledore cut across him. “She may have taken you grudgingly, furiously, unwillingly, bitterly, yet still she took you, and in doing so, she sealed the charm I placed upon you. Your mother’s sacrifice made the bond of blood the strongest shield I could give you.”“I still don’t –”
“While you can still call home the place where your mother’s blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort. He shed her blood, but it lives on in you and her sister. Her blood became your refuge. You need return there only once a year, but as long as you can still call it home, there he cannot hurt you. Your aunt knows this. I explained what I had done in the letter I left, with you, on her doorstep. She knows that allowing you houseroom may well have kept you alive for the past fifteen years.”
The following quote, from the Order of the Pheonix, means nothing to me, but the moment I read it I knew (erm thought) it had some sort of significance that hasn’t been explained yet.
Dumbledore now swooped down upon one of the fragile silver instruments whose function Harry had never known, carried it over to his desk, sat down facing them again, and tapped it gently with the tip of his wand.
The instrument tinkled into life at once with rhythmic clinking noises. Tiny puffs of pale green smoke issued from the miniscule silver tube at the top. Dumbledore watched the smoke closely, his brow furrowed, and after a few seconds, the tiny puffs became a steady stream of smoke that thickened and coiled in the air…. A serpent’s head grew out of the end of it, opening its mouth wide. (…)
“Naturally, naturally,” murmured Dumbledore apparently to himself, still observing the stream of smoke without the slightest sign of surprise. “But in essence divided?”
Harry could make neither head nor tail of this question. The smoke serpent, however, split itself instantly into two snakes, both coiling and undulating in the dark air. With a look of grim satisfaction Dumbledore gave the instrument another gentle tap with his wand.
Further reading
- Details about Dumbledore at the Harry Potter Lexicon
- Quotes by and about Albus Dumbledore
- What JK Rowling says about Dumbledore
- What We Know, What We Don’t Know, and What We May Be Able to Foresee
Try to keep the comments on topic - Snape is next…
Article Series
this post is part of a series of articles - why don't you check out the others below?
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #1: RAB
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #2: Dumbledore
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #3: Snape
- Harry Potter Theories
- Harry Potter Conspiracy Theories #4
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August 29, 2005
Ben mentioned in his analysis the look of triumph that seemed to come to Dumbledore’s eyes after finding out about Voldermort’s success in seemingly destroying Harry’s impenetrable defense against Voldermort.
It may seem that Voldermort was somehow happy Voldermort gained power but I believe, instead, that Dumbledore was happy to hear that some of Harry’s ability to love may have passed to Voldermort.
I believe that in the last book Harry is going to have to defeat Voldermort with his heart, instead of his wand. He is going to have to use his new understanding of Voldermort’s deprived childhood and show enough compassion to bring out the love that was transferred to Voldermort through Harry’s blood during the re-birthing
I do believe that Dumbledore’s portrait will play a role in the last book as it is a way for Harry to communicate with the dead headmaster (and yes I do believe he is dead). I think that Harry will find out that the destructions of the horcruxes will somehow give Voldermort a chance to re-create a whole soul.
September 5, 2005
I agree that Dumbledore is really dead. I also believe that he was pleading with Snape to kill him, not to save him. This strongly suggests to me that Dumbledore believed that his own death was NECESSARY; that he himself HAD to be killed for V to be defeated.
Why should this be so? Could it be that Dumbledore himself was a Horcrux, for example? (Remember D’s blackened hand from the Ring - in his struggles to destroy the Ring as a Horcrux, did he become a Horcrux himself?) Or was it merely because D knew that if V was ultimately to be defeated, it was essential that Snape’s double agency be maintained?
I think that the reason WHY D wanted Snape to kill him is going to be central to the next book.
November 20, 2005
I don’t (yet) know which side of this i’m on, but i have some ideas to throw into the pot:
1.Why were there the differences between Dumbledore’s death and all the others we’ve read (ie. Diggory).
2.Will/could he return as a ghost?
3. The ‘people’ in the pictures, are they alive and able to think, or only memories of the person while they were alive?
4. Could Grawp (Hagrid’s brother) have anything to do with the death/faked death of Dumbledore? Rowling added Grawp (i believe) for a reason. Also, he was at the funeral.
5. Could Umbrage have anything to do with the death? She did not like Dumbledore and was mentioned as being at the funeral. Is this of any relevance?
6. Could the body being buried at Hogwarts have any importance? Could there be something in the tomb to help harry?
One sobering thought. Dumblecore has showed on several occasions that he can be fouled, and that he makes mistakes. Voldemort has not shown this. Since both are strong wizzards, and both able to use ligitimacy (read minds) COULD Snape have fouled Dumbledore, and be telling the truth to Voldemort? Characters say that one cannot quit the Death Eaters, maybe Snape is no exception, and he really did kill Dumbledore. Maybe we are all reading into a conspiracy that doesn’t exist.
November 24, 2005
Remember the scene in Dumbledore’s office in The Order of the Phoenix when Harry almost gets busted for “Dumbledore’s Army”, then Dumbledore himself takes the fall for it and knocks all the ministry members out. well to escape he grabbed onto Fawkes’ tail and there was a flash of white light then he dissapeared. Well at the end of The Half Blood Prince at Dumbledore’s funeral, right at the end, before the tomb encases him, Fawkes flie right over top of him, there is a flash of white light and then the tomb closes. is it possible Dumbledore grabbed his tail and did that weird kind of apparating thing again?, i’d like to think so…it’s very unlikely but a possibility.
if not that then i agree that he begged Snape to kill him, it is essential that Voldemort thinks Snape is on his side, and really, at this stage in the game, what more can Dumbledore do?, he’s obviously too weak to fight Voldemort again if he needs Harry’s help to apparate or even walk.
December 15, 2005
Go back to the arguement between Dumbledore and Snape. Dumbledore asked Snare something that he absolutely refused to do? Did Dumbledore know about the promice made between Snape and Malfoy’s mother? Dumbledore as pleaded with Snape to kill him! Thats what the arguement was about, and why Snape looked at Dumbledore with po much loathing and hate. By asking in front of other death eaters, he left Snape with no choice but to do it!
December 28, 2005
I think that Dumbledore is deffinitly alive! there are too many indicators to suggest that he is:
1) the weird affects of the avada kadava
2) him begging snape to kill him -really can you see the greatest wizard ever begging for his life???
3) the tomb-something fishy going on there
4) the disappearance of his wand
5) the fact that fawkes didn’t save him was what did it for me. Fawkes managed to svae Dumbledore at the precise moment even when he was as far away as the ministry of magic. There is no way that fawkes wouldn’t have saved him when he was standing on the ROOF of the school. Fawkes would have been seconds away.
I don’t know exactly how dumbledore’s going to come back to life- he may have a horcrux but I’m not really sure. Maybe fawkes himself is dumbledore’s horcrux?
I think his picture’s going to play an important role in the last book. DOn’t think the whole killing Voldemort’s going to have much to do with compassion though. I rekon that Harry will end up sacrifising himself to kill Voldemort because he himself has part of Voldemort in him only V doesnt realise. Just a theory but it’d be realy cool if it happened
December 31, 2005
Forget Dumbledore – I know the end of the book!!!
The 7th Horcrax is in Harry’s head!!! That’s why he has a scar – his mother didn’t need to die (just his dad – so that He who must not be named could rip his soul and place it in a child who would be protected by the entire wizarding community!!!). That’s why Harry can hear L.V. and speaks parseltong!!! To kill Voldemort he has to first destroy all Horcruxes and then commit suicide – “The End”
December 31, 2005
Good theory, but I don’t think that’s possible, cause he would have put two parts of his soul in living things, which is bad enough in itself.
But I do believe that R.A.B is Regulus, and Dumbledore said something about the Veil being a sort of gateway. This could possibly be some sort of purgatory where Sirius is kept, and possibly in stasis to where he could be revived. And Voldemort only made Six horcruxes! The seventh bit is in his body, so either harry would be the sixth horcrux, or there is a possibility that it would be James’ wand/one of James’ possessions, since Harry and Lilly were both Impure of blood, and he would have viewed James to be the real threat after the child was killed. (And it wouldn’t suprise me if Voldy was a bit of a cheuvanist….) Now, creation of a horcrux must take some sort of time frame, because he couldnt’ have done it and then killed Lilly and Harry ten seconds later. It takes a great deal of concentration, apparently, and Lilly wouldn’t have been frozen in terror, she’d have tried to stop him to save their son if he’d been distracted enough. In Harry’s case, the curse rebounded, and he wouldn’t have had time to make the horcrux then either.
So, taking what we know, we can infer that two of the Horcruxes are destroyed or somehow cut off from Voldemort. The ring was destroyed by Albus, which cost him his hand. Regulus probably destroyed the locket, which cost him his life. Tom has shown that he places his beloved/ill fated parts of his spirit in places that are important to him. There for the sword of Gryffindor is also an answer, though somewhat improbable. Hogwarts, the grave of his father where he arose again, the cave of his childhood torments, the Riddle house, Godrig’s Hollow and the Gaunt House are all places where Voldemort has killed in his path to immortality. It is logical that he tried to create a horcrux in Godric’s Hollow, but he would have failed, sending that last two bits of his soul off into the beyond. Though he survived, we must speculate that he made the damnable object when he killed James, or when he killed someone earlier.
December 31, 2005
to:zhenya :VERY interesting theory!!! i like it , i have never looked at it from that point of view
January 3, 2006
hey i’m confused. everyone keeps sayin that snape was fated to leave at the end of the year cos no DAD teacher lasted more than a year- but Quirrel was there more than a year. He was teaching there before Harry came to the school so had at least taught the subject for 2 years. SO what is everyone on about???
January 6, 2006
I also think that the silver trinket that split into 2 snakes is EXTREMELY significant. I really need to read it over again so I can remember the context in which Dumbledore did this. If it was in response to Harry’s scar then at first thought it does seem to point to Harry being a Horcrux, however, I think if Harry is a Horcrux, that would cause entirely too many problems with the upcoming story. So my gut feeling tells me that Harry is definately not a Horcrux.
But what is the significance of the smoke splitting into 2 snakes? Any ideas, I’m stumped!
January 7, 2006
It seems probable to me that the snake splitting into two snakes showed Dumbledore that Harry was acting on his own (he was not being possessed by Voldermort). Dumbledore later divulges that he was worried that Voldermort would use Harry to spy on him if he knew how close his and Harry’s relationship was. After Harry’s vision of the attack on Mr. Weasley it is explained that Voldermort knows of their connection and that explains why Dumbledore had to consult the snakes on Harry’s mental condition. It is my opinion that the intertwined snakes symbolize Harry and Voldermort’s connection (possibly a horcrux, possibly some other side-effect of the curse that failed) but the seperation shows that Harry is still acting independently.
January 7, 2006
Zhenya, i agree with you 100% no matter what anyone says, Harry IS a horcrux! As i posted on the orginial site on Jan 3rd… Weather it is him or his scar im not sure, but I think this would be smart for Voldemort to do, because if Harry had “defeated” voldemort he really wouldnt’ have unless he is able to kill himself. I know you may be thinking why would voldemort want to kill one of his own horcruxes, but after killing Harry wouldn’t he just be able to go and make another because he had killed another person? Not only would this add and extreme effect on the story, but it would almost put through the whole love theme. Because Harry would have to have enough courage to be able to kill himself for the sake of the rest of the wisarding world, and also the muggles. By killing himself he would be doing something a lot like his mom did, and how she died for Harry. If JKR did this i think it would make an amazing ending and would be a good way to end the book (even though i dont want harry to die!)
January 9, 2006
Well… about that “Harry is a horcrux” theory, it’s a good theory, however, i think there are somethings that should be asked:
Why LV “died” when he made that supposed horcrux?
Why LV tries so hard to kill Harry?
Is the prophecy wrong?
Why can’t LV possess Harry if there’s a part of his soul inside Harry?
Doesn’t this story pretended to be a child story?
Do think that i dont like your thery, i am just trying to figure out which side should i stand… cumps
January 9, 2006
i think it is possible that dumbledore was a horcrux. it couldvr happned earlier in his life without him knowing it and then he found out on his travels in book 6.
January 10, 2006
what page is the last quote at the top of the page on in OOTP?
January 10, 2006
Harry cannot be a horcrux. Harry loves. Voldemort cannot stay in a loving body for very long as it causes him excruciating pain.
Dumbledore is dead. Once someone without a horcrux dies, that is it folks. Sirius is dead. My reckoning is that Harry will repair his broken partner of Sirius’ mirror and send the one belonging to Sirius through the veil. Then he will be able to contact the other side, well at least Sirius, via his repaired mirror.
Harry cannot die until all the hidden horcruxes have been found and destroyed, then Voldemort can be mortal again. Harry’s scar is his link to Voldemort and his horcruxes, and Harry will learn to exploit it to Voldemort’s loss. The fact that Voldemort showered his remains onto Harry after the rebounded spell does not mean Harry is a horcrux. His ability to speak parseltongue is like an infection, and it will frighten and show Voldemort’s Deatheaters that Harry is indeed the equal or better of Voldemort.
January 11, 2006
Audiva, the reason Quirrel had the Dada job so long is because Dumbledore said after he refused to give Voldemort the job no one else lasted more than a year, it was also mentioned that the job was cursed. so i’m thinking that Voldemort cursed the job but since Quirrel worked for him he wouldn’t curse the job while Quirrel was teaching.That’s probably why Quirrel lasted more than a year. Hope It Helps!!!
January 12, 2006
I think we need to approach these problems from an author’s point of view. Harry needs to deal with Voldemort by himself. For a true victory, he can’t have help from Dumbledore or Sirius, as much as we’d like to think that they’ll come back. It’ll be him and his two friends against Voldemort, and I think in the end the love thing is going to be the main factor. Every character in the book, INCLUDING THE DEATH EATERS has had someone they love (Bellatrix and her sister in OOTP, Mrs. Malfoy worried about Draco, etc.) except Voldemort-or is there something we don’t know about? If Harry can find some love in Volde, I think there’s hope left after all. But the three kids have to do it on their own, the hero has to solve the problem, it’s basic laws of fiction. I think the last horcrux is Hogwarts itself, it can’t be Harry because in a children’s series the main character can’t die, also rules of fiction. Hogwarts was one thing that Volde always cared about, and knew no one would destroy by accident with all of the protective curses on it. But what a dramatic ending if they had to destroy hogwarts, the one thing harry loved most of all…
January 12, 2006
Amy that is an interesting theory on Hogwarts being a horcrux. There hasn’t really been any set limit on the size of a horcrux and it fits Voldermort’s personality to make something as richly magical, as well as prominent, as Hogwarts as a horcrux. I also agree with you on love being a central factor. It has been my theory on this site that when Voldermort used Harry’s blood to re-generate he then took some of the love that infused Harry. Evidence of this love transplant can be seen in the look of triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes, mentioned earlier in this post, when he heard of Voldermort’s methods of re-generation. The look has not been explained yet but it seems that Dumbledore took heart from the possibility that Voldermort may come to love something. After seeing a lot of Voldermort’s childhood in the penseive it seems that Harry is the only one who can truly understand Voldermort and his situation (due to their similar pasts) and can possibly bring out some of Voldermort’s newly transferred love. I am not sure but it may be possible that Harry will find a way to make Voldermort find love for his Mother, who rejected the dark side of magic, since Voldermort seems to not know her true origins.
On another note I was wandering if anyone had any ideas on how Voldermort was destined for a wand with Fawkes’ feather in it. The phoenix seems to have few qualities that are evident in Voldermort. The only thing I can think of is that the immortality of the phoenix (through rising from their own ashes) appealed to Voldermort’s inner spirit.
January 14, 2006
Since the first book Harry has become less sweet, less polite, less light hearted and kind. Part of this is teenage egocentricity, and much is the bitter taste of his expeirance. In 6 books, he has been reckless many times, but the more he knows about the evil he faces, the less loving and more angry and bitter he becomes. He must transform himself - he must act out of love - this is according to Dumbledore the most powerful magic. But if you watch him, you don’t see him moving in this direction. The 7th book - this is the transformation I expect to see. This must be the way he defeats Voltemort.
January 14, 2006
I don’t understand one thing about Horcruxes. Voldemort/s plan was to make 7 parts of his soul. That is himself(1 part of soul) + 6 Horcruxes. When Voldemort tried to kill Harry he killed himself, and because of that one of Horcruxes must be gone. Voldemort here killed his body. That means that there has to be only 6 Horcruxes. And one of them is himself(voldemort’s body) again. So, 5 Horcruxes left. NOt 6, like dumbledore said.
January 14, 2006
1st Horcrux is diary
2nd Horcrux is ring
3rd is Slytherin medallion
4th is something from Hufflepuf(he had stolen that from old woman he killed when he was young)
5th His body now
6th Nagini or the thing R.A.B. had stolen
and there is no 7th Horcrux! I explained that in post before
So I believe Harry cannot be Horcrux. But that is the most interesting theory I heard.
January 14, 2006
Dumbledore has died. But is it the first time? In book 1 Dumbledore says that he “… was unfortunate enough in his youth to have a vomit flavored ..”. Bernie Bott bean. I recall on a Wizard card that Bernie Bott invented them in 1935. I don’t recall where - but it may have been on the computer game - so it may not be accurate. If he was for example 15 in 1935 that would put him in his mid seventies - which would about what you might expect for his appearance if he was a muggle. In any case, if DD helped Nicholas Flamel develop the Stone, he would need to be much older. He also has much insight to death. Perhaps from personal experiance. Maybe it is a good thing to have a loyal Phoenix.
January 14, 2006
Sorry about my last post - RJK says DD was about 150 years old.
January 16, 2006
I wanted to extend on my earlier love theory. It has always been my opinion that the blood transfer from Harry to Voldermort in the fourth book was significant in that it gave Voldermort the ability to love. This is evidenced by the unexplained triumphant look when Dumbledore hears about the transfer and also possibly by Voldermort’s asserion after the transfer the he has become “sentimental”. Before I speculated that Harry would have to teach Voldermort to love by sympathizing over their shockingly similar pasts, but now I am thinking there is a more specific object for Voldermort’s affection, his Mother. Voldermort never seems to understand the true story about his mother and seems to think she was betrayed by her father (which is only halfway true as Merope did force Tom Riddle Sr. into marriage with the love potion before Tom left after the potions effects were lifted). It seems possible that Harry will have to show Voldermort that the one decision his mother made should not make him eternally isolated and unable to love. Merope did not stay alive for her son, and I feel this is the central point, while Lily gave everything she had to insure that Harry had a chance to live a good life. While both were given a chance to live out life Harry was infused with love from his mother’s sacrifice that insured that he would not go down the wrong path in the future despite her not being there to nurture him. Voldermort on the other hand didn’t get the blessing of a mom’s influence in his childhood or the other blessing of his mom giving up everything to insure his future survival, and thusly substituting that act for a childhood of motherly nurturing. Harry is going to have to show Voldermort how people with views like his own (Morfin and Marvolo) led Merope to her early death through sheltering and cruelty and that the only way to truly live is to love.
January 17, 2006
this is what i think: Severus accepted the unbreakable vow from dracos mom, dracos task was to kill dumbledore . so….. dumbledore told severus to kill him so that severus doesnt have to die , and that serverus also completes the unbreakable vow.
January 17, 2006
i’ve been reading ur theories, and i think u r letting one thing out of them. i do believe Dumby is dead, and that he beg Snape to kill him but why didn’t he share it with someone in the order? i mean, they all be willing to catch or even kill snape now, so he is no more an order´s spy?
i still trust snape, dumby was not a fool man, and if he trusted severus it must be for some good reason we still don´t know
and by the way, i didn´t know that seventh book was going to be shorter than HBP, and i can’t imagine how is JK going to fit all the information we need!
January 17, 2006
ok so i know this is about dumbledore but i HAVE to make a comment about RAB. we all know that its regulus black and that the locket at grimmauld place is the horcrux. however, people have been wondering how regulus got the locket. he must have had help, as even dumbledore needed help. you’ll remember that the boat could only hold 1 ‘formidable wizard’ or something like that. well, a house elf would certainly not qualify. I think kreacher helped regulus, recognized what the locket was and snatched it away. If he did or did not help, I still believe that living with the black family has provided Kreacher with a LOT of info. I think Harry will have to get some info out of kreacher (possibly with Dobby’s help?) (or maybe without dobby, as Harry is his master)
January 21, 2006
once again im using the dumbledore topic to talk about RAB… sorry… haha
so anyway i dont have a whole lot new to say
i am worried however because i read that in the french version the initials are RAB when black in french in Noir. in the dutch and norwegian books, the last initial is changed to Z or S because those letters begin the word black. i still believe in regulus tho!
January 22, 2006
i personally believe that snape killed dd because he made the unbreakable vow w/ narcissa malfoy. if u rember in hbp chap 2 naricissa ask snape to do what draco has to do if he could not do it.
January 23, 2006
hey dunno how much this has 2 do with anything but i have a theory
if harry gets rid of all the horcruxes but voldemort is 2 strong and either harry sacrifices himself to save sum1 or sum1 sacrifices themself to save harry surley wont the curse rebound as it did that faitful night and voldy is dead?????????
January 23, 2006
and could rab not be borgin the person that works at borgin and burkes we specifically got told by dumbledore no less, that burkes first name was caractus eliminating him…… so that rules him out but never in the many times we met him have we heard borgins first name ……. just a though
January 23, 2006
and could rab not be borgin the person that works at borgin and burkes we specifically got told by dumbledore no less, that burkes first name was caractus eliminating him…… so that rules him out but never in the many times we met him have we heard borgins first name ……. just a thought
January 24, 2006
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I’ve thought about R.A.B. being either Borgin or Burke, but i thougt it could be Burke. Voldemort worked for him when he found out about the locket. I really have no proof, but it’s a thougt. About Dumbledore being dead, I’ve read so many theories about different things that might happen in book 7 that my head hurts. J.K. can’t write a 1000 page Harry Potter book, so most of the theories are just coincedents. I do like the one about Hermione being Harry’s sister though,(conspiracy #1, R.A.B). The best bet for Harry getting any more help from Dumbledore would be memories from the penstive, and from the portrait in the headmaster/headmistriss’s office. I can’t wait for book 7.
January 24, 2006
www.answers.com told me everything in half-blood prince that i might have missed, and what will probably happen in book 7. It’s a useful website for this kind of stuff.
January 25, 2006
my best friend reckons R.A.B could have been Regulus Black. i dont think we ever got a mention of his middle name but in the 6th book hermione says “Judging by the note, the person who found the horcrux knew Voldemort.” We all no that Regulus Black was a death eater, then he swapped sides. but i think it says he only lasted 2 days b4 he was murdered. Just a Thought from talz, published by her bestie, 2 whom u hav 2 give full credit 4 dis theory.
January 26, 2006
dumbledore couldnt possibly be a horrorcrux cuz then y would he try so hard to get the memory from that short ppotions professor. if he knew about the horrorcruxes nd if he knew how to destroy them n e wayz im styl reading all of yur ideas there amazing styl .
im owt tyl
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January 26, 2006
im jus wondering what do yu all thing is going to be the name of the seventh book
January 26, 2006
has anyone ever noticed that in the first 3 books j.k keeps on repeating that Peeves is not a ghost and since Peeves has not played a significant role it must have something to do with the 7th book
January 27, 2006
What do you think? Does Dumbledore believe the prophecy about the child born at the end of July? (Harry or Nevil) He says that the prophecy only has meaning only because Voltemort believes it. Yet he does not try to defeat Voltemort in the Order of the Phoenix. In fact it is a strange fight between them. It is easy for DD, and Tom Riddle runs.
Does DD ever kill even in battle?
January 28, 2006
who says it is an easy fight for DD why would Fawkes have to take one of Voldermorts curse. Of course it is harry why do you think DD has told him twice?
January 28, 2006
“Does DD ever kill even in battle?”
In first book, on the behing of card from chocolate frog said:
ALBUS DUMBLEDORE
CURRENTLY HEADMASTER OF HOGWARTS
Considered by many the greatest wizard of modern times, !!!!Dumbledore is particularly famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald in 1945!!!….
Is this wizard important, and did Dumbledore killed him? (I don’t think that he made a horcrux)
January 28, 2006
I’ve deleted a few comments recently from people who have simply copied and pasted their comment from other Harry Potter websites.
Please don’t do this. If you agree with something on another site then post the link and say why you agree.
January 30, 2006
slightly unrelated, I was thinking about it and if harry is too pure to use avada kedavara do u think that he might kill voldy with gryffindors sword?
January 30, 2006
I may be wrong but in h b p the necklace that katie touches, doesn’t dumbledore say that was voldy’s? gonna go reread that par to check
January 30, 2006
I rekon DD’S bro, Aberforth, is the barman in the hog’s head. when harry first sees him it says he “hays a long deal of grey hair and beard” and he also looks “vaguely familiar” to harry. he’s also “tall and thin”
the also shows up at DD’s funeral
just a thought
January 31, 2006
ummm…Gryffindors sword?? There has got to be a more intense battle with wands. But as they are conjured, they somewhat cancel eachother out..so you never know!! maybe muggle weapons would do the trick..
January 31, 2006
#31 i think you are right . But dd had this planed with ss
January 31, 2006
hello, i only recently began to be interested more deeply into the smaller intricacies of the plot after reading the books several years ago. so anyway i have a somewhat obscure theory of my own, is it possible at all that voldemort never actually meant to kill harry but rather placed a horcrux inside him? i say this as i get the feeling that rowling wishes to kill off harry in the final book and never be pressured into writing anymore. and with the amount of money that she has already made i cant blame her. so anyway then harry will destroy all of the horcuxes then come to the obligatory big bang final showdown at the end where voldemort will kill him but in the process destroy himself :S just wondering what you think and please don’t hold back with the comments.
January 31, 2006
lol just read some of the other comments, looks as though im not on my own on that one :S
January 31, 2006
One important point that I have no seen anyone comment on is Eileen Prince, she was at Hogwarts around the same time as Tom Riddle. Could there be some connection between her and Voldemort? Could this connection be why Snape has always been Voldemort’s favourite? There was no reason to mention about the book being published some fifty years ago and as such could have a secondary importance.
February 1, 2006
#45 and #48 - given that Harry’s and VD’s wands cancel each other out (see the scene in the graveyard at the end of Goblet of Fire), it is difficult to see how Harry can defeat VD with his wand.
One possibility is that he will come across Dumbledore’s wand, which went missing (flew out over the tower) when Snape killed DD … we never hear again what happened to the wand … whether it was recovered and by whom … but I think this might be likely.
February 1, 2006
#53 WE DONT COME ACROSS DUMBELEDORE’S WAND BECAUSE HE STILL HAS HIS WAND,IF HE IS NOT DEAD
February 1, 2006
Someone’s in denial.
February 1, 2006
Is that why Olivander has gone missing - If Voldemorts lot have him then he could change the core of Voldemorts wand. This would enable Harry and Voldemort to face each other.
As Harry “won” the last battle of the wands it stands to reason that he would want to change his wand core
February 2, 2006
why not just use another Death Eaters, it won’t have the same suiting to him but neither would a wand with a new core
February 2, 2006
this is a very intresting theroy about albus and his brother
http://www.mugglenet.com/edito...
February 2, 2006
#58 thats good one
February 2, 2006
Re: Dumbledore and horcrux theory - NO!!! It says in the books that to make a horcrux you have to rip your soul apart. No decent person would do that - again explained in HBP. Dumbledore was a decent person and would never rip his soul apart. He is not trying to cheat death. Remeber that he told Voldemort and Harry that death is the next adventure and that there are worse things than death. In that case he would NOT want to cheat death and damage his soul, and ultimately himself, by creating a horcrux.
February 3, 2006
I have come up with a theory about Dumbledore and am quite sure he isn’t dead, but IS to be reincarnated from a Horcrux: That Horcrux being his Pheonix Fawkes. Fawkes can’t die. When Voldermort shot the Avada Kedavra Curse at Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic (O.O.T.P), Fawkes swooped down and ’swallowed’ the curse. He flared, ‘died’, and was reborned immediately. Now, my theory is that Dumbledore found some way to transfer himself into Fawkes, his familiar. To do this, he’d could have ‘Killed’ Fawkes, Split his soul and then implanted it in Fawkes. This would explain his weakness when he returned from the Horcrux quest with Harry. He himself said that to make a horcrux one would become a half-being because the soul isn’t meant to be severed. This would act as his ultimate act of love for Harry. That itself could have initiated the spell. That’s just my interpretation on it. Oh yeah, and Snape ‘Killed’ him just as insurance against Voldermort who would think that his greatest enemy is really dead. Snape, being a good Occlumen, could conceal this fact…Food 4 thought. contest this idea by e-mailing me at phulorie@hotmail.com. i’ll be glad to hear where i went wrong, if you disagree.
February 3, 2006
Hey Solis, that is an interesting theory that has already been explored on one of the other posts that just closed. I’m not sure that it’s true but if Dumbledore really has a horcrux I think it’s more likely he made it through the Dark wizard Grindlewold mentioned on Dumbledore’s chocolate frog card. If you want to read the prior comments on this theory you can go to http://www.binarymoon.co.uk/20... and read comments 343-345.
February 10, 2006
The Mugglenet discussion (see note 58) Is quite interesting. The dark majic green liquid protecting the locket that had to be drunk may have been like the bogarts, or other dark magic, making the person re-live thier worst memory. This seems like it could have easily been DD worst memory, and a child memory. Perhaps Harry will find a vial with it for the pensive, and then remember what happened in the cave, and then learn more from DD’s brother. I think what is still lacking in Harry is transformation. Perhaps when he learns how Dumbledore transformed himself, it will become a model for him. Harry still is adolecent and self centered. He will never defeat Voltemort by hatred or anger (as Snape pointed out at the end of HBP) but only by becoming the master of the greatest magic.
February 16, 2006
I agree that Dumbledore is definitely dead, and that Snape killed him at D’s behest. Snape, IMHO, is most likely a key figure to defeating Voldemort, and definitely still a good guy.
Snape’s character is both cunning, clever, and highly intelligent. I think Snape has been brewing Harry’s natural dislike of him into pure hatred through mistreatment and criticism. I think this, along with Snape killing D, will play an important part in V’s downfall, likely designed to fashion some sort of ultimate trust in Snape that V will not put in any other person.
In the end, I think Harry may discover that he must die to ultimately defeat V, and that possibly pure love may save him from demise, probably from Ginny Weasley. Harry will be required to throw aside his hatred of Snape and trust him in order to destroy Voldemort.
February 17, 2006
I also agree that discussion on Mugglenet was very interesting. I am not sure what to think about DD being dead or not because it could go either way. Sorry if I’m random but I just going to start spitting stuff out. It said that right before Snape killed DD he had a look of utter revulsion and hatred. A few pages before that when Harry was about to pour the green liquid into DD mouth he said that he felt revolted and was hating himself for what he was about to do…so maybe Snape, whether he was truly killing DD or not, could have been feeling the same way. That also could have been what they were arguing about in the forest. Now, I am not sure what I think of this idea either but what if when DD defeated Gindewald in 1945 (mentioned on the Chocolate frog cards) he had to kill him which was a evil act even if he was doing it for a good purpose, and in doing so he killed a powerful wizard which might have split his soul. Eventually he might have taken advantage of that and made a horcrux and put a horcrux in none other than, Fawkes, his never dying pheonix. This may also be the reason why he didn’t want them to take him off of the Chocolate Frog cards. (lol)
From what I have read, it seems a very good idea that it could be Sirius’s brother, Reglus Black, who was the one that destroyed the Horcrux (the locket)and left the note signed as R.A.B, that is to say if he had managed to destroy it. I have also read a bit about the locket that couldn’t be opened when they were going through old Black family posessions. This might be the Horcrux, for as said before, there were many magical enchantments on the house and it would have beeen unexpected to leave it there at the time and he might not have been able to destry it in time. Voldemort may not have even known what R.A.B. was doing or if he had found out that he knew about his Horcruxes. Personally I don’t think he knew. Maybe all he knew was that R.A.B. was plotting and acting against him. I think if Voldemort had known that he had gone after the horcruxes that he would have vigorously checked for them and made sure that one hadn’t been destroyed because for all he knew, Reglus could have been in on it with a bunch of people so considering what I think Voldemorts reaction would have been and knowing that he is Extremely good at Legilimacy, if he had personally killed him or investigated the idea, he would have found out where it was and who he had told etc. I also highly doubt that Harry is Horcrux and I doubt that you can put a horcrux inside another Human body because DD says that Voldemort made 6 of them and the last bit of his soul was in his body. It doesn’t seem likely that a person can BE a horcrux. Voldemort only heard that one part of the prophecy and merely thought of Harry as a great risk so immediately tried to dispose of him. He did not want to put a part of his soul in the very person that he wanted to destroy. I also disagree that love was transfered into Voldemort because love doesn’t work that way. People can grow in out out of it. It shows that Voldemort still can’t stand being IN Harry because that is where the love is. He can physically touch him because blood is a physical thing that represents any part of the flesh. That was showed in the Ministry of Magic. If he had even the slightest bit of love i think that he would have been able to possess Harry with less pain. Also remember that Love is the very thing that Voldemort can’t stand in the least. And as for DD not trying to kill Voldemort at the ministry, he knew it was up to Harry, he greatly suspected that Voldemort had at least one or more horcruxes, and as he said himself, the horcrux that is in his body has to be destroyed last. There was no point in trying to kill Voldemort at that time.
I also agree that Aberforth, DD’s brother will play a role of some signficance in book 7. It seems likely that he is the barman at Hog’s Head because Harry says that (supposed Aberforth) has a long bit of grey hair and beard and that he seemed vaguely familiar. This showes the family resemblance. Also, it says he was banned because he had practiced strange and done weird things to goats or something very close to that. It also says that the Hog’s Head smells slightly of goats. Intersting eh? This may also be why DD was ok with apparating close to the Hog’d Head because maybe he knew something about it being safer, other than the fact that it is less crowded. Also, I read part of an interview and when asked about that topic with the goats and such, JK Rowling merely laughed to herself and said that she felt particularly cunning about that, and that was all. SO i percieve this as a clue for after that she said,”My, I may be giving a bit too much away tonight.”, and although she said this lightly, it showes that it shouldn’t go unnoticed. And by the way, I recall someone earlier who was curious about Peeves and Jk Rowling says that polergeist or however you spell it is not a ghost or human and was something to the effect of never being alive and that it is merely existing, causing distress. You can look into it more. I also find the link above in number 58 highly interesting. I advise checking it out. It also gives a great explanation about Gindewald and Voldemort.(this is the same one as the mugglenet link i mentioned in my first sentence : ) ) And all this bogus of Harry being angry all the time and being filled with so called hatred doesn’t make sence. He does not love and care less of the people around him, if not more than before. The hatred of things he has like Voldemort and hatred he has gained of Snape, is rightcious furry in my opinion. He has grown in a lot of ways and is really begining to grow up. He does not lash out any more at people like he did when Cedric died and personally, I do not find it disturbing that Harry didn’t sulk as much when DD than when Sirius did because he realized that there was no need and DD would want him to be strong and carry on. This doesn’t mean that Harry doesn’t care that DD is gone and he will not forget DD but will keep the memory of him and use is as a strength against Voldemort, using the idea of his rightceous furry.
Rowling said that the mirror that Harry could have used to contact Sirious would be important in the next book but I don’t think that it will be used to contact Sirious. Harry can simply repare his mirror and both will be functional. I am almost positive that Sirious is dead. There wwould almost be no point of communicating with him unless they wanted to try and get information from him. You never really know what Rowling will do, which is why this is all guess work. Another interesting tid bit is that she said that the people who become ghosts are most afraid of death. That makes me wonder about when Voldemort dies. You may not think that he would be able to do much damage as a ghost but he could teach other people what he wants. I don’t know. I am not sure what to think about the supposed gleam of triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes after Harry told him about the fact that Voldemort used his blood and now his defense was useless unless an idea or a thought that he had come up with was satisfied but I am very sketchy abou t what it would be. I also understand from what Rowling has said that something to do with Lily, harry’s mother will become rather significant.She pointed out that she constantly had Harry’s eyes mentioned for a reason and that his mother would be important. who knows why and I am not really going to try and figure out why because she isn’t going to let something that big have an easy or obvious answer and I don’t think that she will hint on it either.
back to DD: i find it curious that DD’s wand was not mentioned and that Fawkes song uplifted them, and that nobody seemed to know exactally what happened to DD’s body when it rose up in his pheonix’s flames. There a lot of things that I find curious to why DD died. Fawkes could have saved DD right? or even transported him somewhere else like he has done before, even on the school grounds….Or saved him from the Avada Kedavra curse. But maybe just like he had been disgussing with Draco right before the Death Eaters came, that he didn’t want Draco to be murdered and who really knows…maybe Snape is good and some how managed to hide Draco. I don’t know how likely that is because it could also easily be that Snape is on the Dark Lord’s side. It is pretty open ended at this point. And I really don’t know how much DD keeps to himself but maybe he didn’t want things to be revealed to Voldemort by him using Legilimency like he was trying to protect Draco from. But then, would there be a possiblility that Voldemort would be able to find out about the rest of the prophecy? Anyway, I feel like I have left out a few points so feel free to give some constructive critism and tell me what you think!
February 17, 2006
Here are two things I left out: When DD is killed. the description is rather different from all the others of people being kiled by the avada kedavra curse. It says that “Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and the fell slowly backward, like a rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight.” (end of chapter 27) No one else was Blasted into the air or fall almost slowly back to the ground. Now this may be over speculation or it could just be Rowling making it dramatic and more effective. I don’t know.
And also it kind of makes sence like someone mentioned earlier that Voldemort might want o different wand made for him that is made of something dark as a back up because he and Harry have the same cores and in the event that he would face Harry, he wouldn’t want the same thing that happened in the graveyard (book 4)again or with slight chance that his wand is destroyed or disarmed from him, he will have a back up….just a strange idea.
i’d love to hear more great ideas.
February 21, 2006
#65 aberforth the barman of hoghead is dd brother jk said it some interveiw bt i cnt remember on which site read that bt aberfort is dd brother for sure
March 1, 2006
ok i have many theories for this topic…
1. Voldemort adopts harry as a son because harry knows he cannot win.
2. Dumbledore comes back from the dead and goes back to his two wives.(madame pomphrey and mcgonagal).
3. At the end Ginny and hermoine marry each other.
4. Ron kills voldemort
5. Ron becomes a slightly dark wizard and somehow tricks fleur delacour into marrying him.
6. SNAPE IS EVIL NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!!!!
7. read #6
8. once harry kills voldemort everyone he killed comes back to life(this would be the stupidest ending ever!!)
9. R.A.B. is Ron, Arthur(Ron’s dad), Bill(Ron’s brother)
10. When Harry and Voldemort are fighting to the death Neville comes out of nowhere and kills voldemort. neville is the hero everyone forgets about Harry who is now in Diagon Alley begging for knuts and sickles. then JK Rowling makes a 8th book called Neville Longbottom and the Way he Became the Best Wizard in the World By Defeating Voldemort.
March 1, 2006
#68 …
Genius!!
March 5, 2006
Everyone says that Dumbledore destroyed the ring , but how exactly? It is never said how, only that snape had to help him. My guess on how Harry can destroy the Horcrux’s, by getting Dementors to suck the soul out. That might explain the black arm of Dumbledore’s.
March 7, 2006
snape killed dumbledore on dumbledore’s orders, but he is definitely not nice or evil. he’s whatever he wants.
March 7, 2006
SNAPE IS A MURDER!!!!!!!HE DIDN’T KILL DUMBLEDORE ON HIS OWN ORDERS!!!!!WHY WOULD SOMEONE ASK TO DIE?!?!?!?!?!
March 8, 2006
i kno this belongs in the RAB conspiricy, but its closed so here you go- you kno how in the 6th book Harry and Dumbledore find some random loket that isnt’ slytherins? well in the fith book when Harry, Hermione, Serisous, and the Weasleys are cleaning out Grimawld Place? Well it says that in an old coubard the find ” a haevy loket none of them could open”!! A locket in the noble and most ancient house of Black! unfourtuanantly, Harry and Co throw the locket away, and unless Kreature saved it then its proably lost for ever…..
March 8, 2006
on the topic of dd, i think hes going to come back as a way powerful ghost and help Harry on the long and dangerous quest ahead of him
March 8, 2006
also, DD says in the 6th book that Voldy wanted an item from all four founders, right? Well he has Slyth’s locket, Huffle’s cup, and lets assume that he has nothing of Ravenclaws. So DD says the only object of Gryphendore’s is the sowrd, right? Well in the fourth book the sorting hat sings “..but how to pick the worthy ones when they were dead and gone. twas GRYPHENDORE who found the way, HE SLIPED ME OF HIS HEAD, the founders but some brains in me so i could chose instead” i think the 7th horcrux is the sorting hat! i mean, Voldement could have changed it in to a horcrux at anytime in all the years he was at skool there!
March 8, 2006
back to snape conspiricy theory, at the end of book 6 right before he disaperates, he says ” no unforgivable curses from you potter, un til you learn to keep you mouth shut and mind closed!” was he trying to mock harry about his nonverble spells and occlumency, or giving advice?
March 8, 2006
So how did DD destroy the ring? anyone?
March 8, 2006
I’ve read many theories, and really, I don’t know what to thing. I think that harry IS a 7th horcrux, more accurate–>his head is a horcrux. When he put sorting hat on his head, didn’t the hat say: “It’s all IN YOUR HEAD”?!? All Slytherin skills are in your head. That’s my argument, not very good, but interesting. And I don’t know if harry will survive, he’ll maybe use dementors to suck voldemort soul from him…..
March 9, 2006
I think R.A.B. is not sirius’ brother because he has to be a great wizard to get the horcrux but also sirius mentions in the 5th book that his brother was dimwitted and not to bright.
i couldnt comment in the actual one because the guy closed it off so theres my opinion on the other one and i thin dumbledore is alive because there are many traces rowling leaves behind. For more info go to dumbledorisnotdead.com
March 9, 2006
about rab….
in (I think) dutch version of harry potter, surname(last name) of black family isn’t BLACK but Zwartz. And in 6th book, letters are not R.A.B., but R.A.Z. I think this is the best clue that shows that rab is someone from family black.
March 9, 2006
Dutch = R.A.Z = Black/Zwart!
German = R.A.S = Black/Schwarz!
English = R.A.B = Black/Black!
March 11, 2006
To the Dark Lord
I know I will be dead long before you read this
but I want you to know that it was i who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can. I face death
in the hope that when you meet your match
you will be mortal once more.
Obviously i’ve tried to re-create the actual note in the book, but this messae box won’t let me do it right. anyway, don’t you think the use of the word “stolen” in the note means something? j.k. could have used the word “taken” or “retrieved”, but she didn’t. If regulas did take the horcrux(as everybody does) then this could explain the theory about “regulas couldn’t have taken the real horcrux because he ain’t powerful enough” regulas could have stolen the real horcrux, and replaced it before it got to the cave. How, i don’t know, i just thought i’d say it.
March 11, 2006
He also seems very confident that he’s gonna die, “I know i will be dead long before you read this” and “I face death”.
March 11, 2006
duh… it’s because regulus knows voldemort will kill him because he knows of the horcruxs
OR
What if Dumbledore switched the real horcrux for a fake one while at hogwarts or in the cave or something so that he has the real one and gave harry the fake one. Dumbledore is alive and kickin
March 12, 2006
why would dumbledore want to give harry the fake horcrux and keep the real one? that wouldn’t make any sense.
March 12, 2006
First, I enjoyed reading all the different theories you all have had, and i love the enthusiasm that the Potter series has instilled in all of us. A great story warrants this type of discussion so keep it going.
Snape whacking DD:
Interestingly enough in book 6 we were introduced to the unbreakable vow. ok, we know Snape made on to Narcissa and carried it out. Fine, understood. DD knew this and is always quoted in the books something to the effect of “there are things worst than death” and he’s even hinted that Voldy’s fear of death will prove to be his downfall. ok. let’s talk about the unbreakable vow, since it was conveniently introduced to us. you make a promise, if you don’t keep it, you die. we know snape made at least one..why not 2? take yourselves back to book 5 when harry was taking occlumens lessons with Snape. He delved into Snape’s pensieve while snape was tending to something. What did he see? he saw the Mauraders (James, Sirius, Lupin, and Pettigrew) taunting snape, remember? flipped him upside down so his underoos, probably Batman, were showing. Who came to Snape’s aid? the apparently smoking hot Lily Evans aka Lily Potter. Ok..now, how many times in movies and stories have we seen the noble popular girl fall come to the aid of the dork and the dork falls for the hotty popular chick. ok, Snape calles Lily a mudblood. fine. When i was in high school, i always insulted girls whom I was attracted too..guys, we do that sort of thing. So Lily saves Snape’s butt and treats Snape with respect and Snape has the hots for her….stay with me here, i’m going somewhere with this: Ok, fast forward to Trelawney and DD the evening when DD hears the prophecy and so does, as we know now, Snape..only part of it…so he goes and tells Voldy. Voldy picks harry over Neville and goes and kills James and Lily and then gets thwarted by love. Snape finds out that the info he provided to Voldy just got the girl he was in love with killed. He, at that point realizes that a world in which Voldy is running things would be a cruddy place to live. Like the mafia here in the states, you can’t just resign from the DE’s. So he goes to the only man who can help him. Albus “the Man” Dumbledore. DD says to him, “alright man, I’ll help you. but here’s what I need from you: a reassurance. Something to rest my mind at ease. if you want to be embraced by me adn you are truly sorry you screwed up and got Lily killed, what do you think about making an unbreakable vow to me, DD, that you will protect Harry from Voldy with your life. if Harry dies from Voldy’s hand, so will you. You will vow to protect Lily Potter’s son’s life….with your own. Or else we don’t have a deal.”
think about it: what other better reason would DD have to trust Snape unequivocally? Who else but DD would be smart enough to know that if Snape killed him, killed Dumbledore i mean, that he would be the most heralded Death Eater and would probably get closer to Voldy than anyone has ever been. Why didn’t Snape stupefy Harry and just bring him to Voldemort and have Voldy just end it that night during the ensuing battle after Snape killed DD. Instead, Snape was still teaching him. Telling him important things like “learn silent incantations! you’ll never beat a wizard worth a damn saying things out loud” not the exact quote, obviously..if Snape lived in New Jersey it would be ;o) it just makes sense. Snape had Potter at his mercy. He let him go. if you just killed the most powerful wizard in the world and your boss wants harry in the worst way, and you could stun Harry, and then hand him over on a platter to VOldy, why not do it unless something was up?
DD death:
we won’t know DD the way we knew him, but yes his portrait will come into play. Although when i read that post about the white flash, the missing wand, it got me thinking and then something else popped in my head that JK hasn’t touched on again since mentioning it and she never..EVER introduces something or someone without reason for them…the bartender at the broomsticks…isn’t that DD’s brother? wasn’t he described as looking exactly like DD? maybe a little identity change? like a switcharoo? seems unlikely, but hey ya never know. also I found the absence of Fawkes during DD’s murder quite puzzling too. When DD and Voldy had it out in the Ministry of Magic, Voldy used Avadra Kedavra on DD and Fawkes swooped down and took the bullet so to speak. those two have a connection, and he was noticeably absent when snape whacked him. why? another thing: We know DD was about 150 yrs old, we know he was the most powerful wizard of his time..150 years is a lot of time. What’s to say that DD himself wouldn’t have a horcrux? this seems to be to convenient of a theory, but if you killed someone you can make a horcrux, we know that much. So, DD figured out somewhere along the line that Voldy had created Horcruxes and that he would be difficult to kill. so an order to protect against his death and to always be around as long as Voldy is alive, why wouldn’t DD take the precaution and make a horcrux of his own? I understand for the purposes of the story, Harry has to fight VOldy himself..but we still have to figure out and find another 3 horcruxes. would DD risk leaving Harry alone to deal with that? we know the diary was one, the locket was 2, the ring 3, those are the ones that we know the locations of. WE don’t know where Hufflepuffs cup is, we don’t know what the Ravenclaw\Gryffindor thing is, let alone where it would be (I think it’s Harry too, more on that in a bit) and then he’s got to kill Nagini…and then Voldy himself. A lot to ask a 17 yr old kid to do by himself, isn’t it?
Harry the horcrux:
i do like the HOgwarts theory of being a horcrux..but i think with all the protection that the place has it would be difficult, but i like it. however, having said that, HArry is the horcrux. an unwilling horcrux but one, nonetheless. Ok, the prohecy says one can’t live as long as the other exists..ok..if harry is one, then this would mean Voldy wins. because if harry wins, and he is a horcrux, voldy would still be alive in some capacity. relax, i don’t think that’s going to happen nor do i think harry is going to commit suicide, not unless JK wants to put millions of kids into therapy. if all the de’s are killed or arrested, and then Harry beats voldy, there would be no one to go looking for him again, like wormtail did, and he just exist as a mist in the woods…so what would be the big deal if harry did have part of Voldy’s soul in him? I don’t likre that theory either. how about this? DD triumphant look was that night in the graveyard, when harry’s blood revived Voldy, that Harry CEASED to be a horcrux at that point? Although DD would have mentioned it i’m sure.
so as you can see, I’m not positive on Harry being the horcrux. I do %100 believe my theory on Snape. it makes a whole lot of sense. Anyway keep the discussions coming, i love reading these great theories
March 15, 2006
….you should publish that novel
March 16, 2006
I think I am going to look up moreon the bartender-ir-DD’s-brother thin. Just to verify the facts. And by the way, I don’t remember if I said this before but JK said that it was going to be REALLY easy to figure out who R.A.B is and especially looking at #81, it is pretty much settled. It is Reglus Black. OK? ok…And I have also found that when thinking out what would happen in cases, it helps me to think what JK would seriously put in her book, that she thinks out so well. And don’t forget that some things can’t be figured out because she might introduce something new………grrr
Oh and sometimesa little research of what Jk says in interviews is really helpful sometimes. Even ones from a long time ago. I’ll get back on the bartender thing..
March 16, 2006
nm on the bartendr thing. He is DD’s bro, Aberforth….
March 22, 2006
I believe Dumbledore is dead, I don’t care about what anyone else says, he is dead. How could he be alive, Harry could move after the curse had been preformed and if he had survived the fact that he was still alive would have been instant, like when Harry survived the curse, he didnt act dead for a few months and then come back to life. Also if he was still alive then why would the portrait appear on the wall.
Although I think he is dead, he has not gone. I sm sure, the portrait is a sign. The other portraits of past headmasters talk so sooner or later Dumbledore is bound to talk, or he could chose to be a ghost.
I also believe that Dumbledore was pleading with Snape, but at the same time asking for an explanation.
I don’t believe a part of Harry is a horcrux because Voldemort knows he has to kill Harry in the end. But if Harry is a hocrux and Voldemort kills him it would make somebody else one step closer to killing him. Which would be a contradiction to Voldemorts belief’s anyway.
March 24, 2006
i agree, dumbledoor is dead and now harry will have to set out on his parelous journey (with ron and hermy) and destroy voldy and horcruxes. i am still sooo convinced the 6th horcrux is the sorting hat seriously! if you don’t think im completely crazy then see 75!
March 24, 2006
Rowling said on her website (www.jkrowling.com) that the sorting hat is not a horcrux (Check the rumors section).
March 29, 2006
Since comment 86 opens this line of thought, I will tell what is in my head. There have been many comments on whether Snape is good or Snape is bad. Snape is complex person as well as a powerful dark wizard. That is not the same as evil, but he is dark.
I don’t exactly agree with Al in his comment 86 that Snape likes Lily, I think he loved her and wanted her - in his own disfunctional way. Slughorn says Harry is just like Lily in her abilitys with potions. Could she have been using the same book, the Half Blood Prince’s book? Or had help from the Half Blood Prince himself? Would Snape have used a love potion on her? Other students were using love potions from Fred and George’s shop in the 6th book. Voltemort’s mother used one on Tom Riddle senior. Did Snape give one to Lily? I think so.
If Snape wanted Lily with the passion, what might he do? Would he become a death eater and make a deal with Voltemort - get rid of James and Harry, so that Lily might be his, only to have Voltemort kill her when she would not get out of the way? Would that not turn him against Voltemort for taking away the one thing he wanted most? And then to have Harry as a student - Snape would not be able to see him with out seeing James and seeing Lily - it could not be anything but a painful reminder that he had lost Lily - the only person he had loved, a reminder of James who had taken her, and a reminder of what he had paid in trying to get her (becoming a death eater). And remember Lily had another child a girl - might this not be Snape’s child.
Most people who do evil do not set out to be evil, they just do what is expediant, and calculate what the cost to them. This is what Snape does. He belives himself superior and scorns others. In this way he can not help but be evil. But Snape’s relationship with DD does make the unbreakable vow seem plausable. I think Snape hates Harry, but at the same time is trying to help him. Snape is tortured by this. Is Harry his daughters brother? Is Snape aware that Harry is the heir of Slythering? (Voltermorts sister married a wizard named Potter).
March 29, 2006
Snape called Lily a mudblood…He didn’t like her. Can you see Draco looking Hermoine?? NO
and for other questions of book#7 please see #68
March 29, 2006
#93 - where do we hear Lily had another child, a daughter??? This is the first I’ve heard of it!!
Don’t follow your train of thought about Harry being heir of Slytherin / Voldemort having a sister who married a Potter either???
March 29, 2006
Snape was a teenager when he told Lily she was a mudblood. In that ages boys usually don’t say to the girls what they really think. They never show their filings, and they are acting to be the strongest and the cleverest. So, maybe Snape really liked Lily. And loved. But i don’t think he hates Harry, and that he agreed with Voldemort to kill Harry and James, and leave Lily.
March 29, 2006
Have a look at this link - one of the essays on the HP lexicon!
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/essa...
Gives some interesting ideas and insisghts into Dumbbledore / Snape / Harry, and what might eveolve in book 7!
April 2, 2006
Didn’t Dumbledore kill Grindelwald in 1945? Significant date perhaps?
April 2, 2006
If Aberforth is the same as Willy Widdershins the bartender, he should be in prison for those toilets.
April 4, 2006
hey, random irelivant thought but do u think tonks and lupin will marry?i hope they do, anyway, a few things. firstly squid (#93) i think u have some very good and intersting thoughts. it could be true that ge did like lilly, that is very posible, i know from my own experiences that guys who like girls at that age will say really mean horrible things, but love them more then anything else in the world and not know how to tell them. knowing snape as a very complex being this could be the case. and after saying that i think there is more chance of voldemort destroying all his horcruxes and commiting suicide then draco being snapes son. draco is the spitting image of lucius and has pretty similar characteristics to his mother apart from the greasy hair snape and draco do not have a lot in common, when he was at school and even as an adult snape is the type of person who will sit in the back ground, with his head in a book and only speak when he can think of an insult. malfoy is an out going, quidditich playing (snape hates quidditch), trouble making character.
April 6, 2006
DUMBLEDORE is not dead… maybe… the liquid that he drank prevented the avadra kadavra curse from killing him, snape knew this, so he made it look like he killed him, snape is really good… any thoughts?
April 6, 2006
101. I don’t think Sanpe knew what Dumbledore drank, and he is not close enought to Voldemort to know about horcruxes.
In the first book Harry lets a snake out of its cage, does anyone think it could be Nagini or whatever Voldemort’s snake is called?
April 6, 2006
Fawkes saved Dumbledore from the avada kedavra curse in the fith book, but he wasn’t there to save Dumbledore in the sixth book. Maybe Snape meant to kill Dumbledore, but he didn’t.
April 7, 2006
My kids and I have been talking we think that A.D is dead & RAB is Regulas. We don’t think that Snape is that close to Vold. because he did not know what Draco was to do. He pretended to know to find out. My kids think that Snape is a bad guy because there was no hesitation in the killing. The 6 missing death eaters….. the book said
there is one I beleive that has left me forever..he will be killed (we think this is Snape)
there is on that has ALREADY re-entered my serveses( we think Barty Jr)
April 7, 2006
99. The bartender was desccribed looking like Dumbledore, and dumbledore said his brother charmed a goat and the bartender smells like goat. Whe Dumbledore is talking to Tom Riddle in the penensieve, he says “I’m merely friendly with the local barman” or something like that. Also Harry says that the bartender looked vaguely familiar this could be because he looks like Dumbledore or because Moody showed Harry a picture of Aberforth in the fith book.
In the second book Dumbledore says to Harry after he pulled Godric’s sword out of the sorting hat that only a true gryfindor could do that. Did he mean that Harry is realted to Godric or that Harry is very brave and noble and all the things gryfindor looks for in people.
I dont think Snape killed DD, because he was shouting advice from him when he was leaving Hogwarts. It is also too fishy about Fawkes not being there to take the hit for Dumbledore and the fact that Fawkes flew over Dumbledore’s tomb as if he were helping Dumbledore escape. But if Dumbledore didn’t die why did his picture go up on the wall, even though Dumbledore is a great wizard, it would take a little while to pull off some really ancient spell to make sure his portrait goes up on the wall.
Dumbledore says Voldemort has no real friends. Harry has friends though. I think someone is going to have to sacrifice themselves in order for Voldemort to die.
April 7, 2006
last night while while reading through a book about the sixth sense i over came something. the words R.A.B came up. I read it and it has to do with divinstion like in harry potter. so i have a theory that it might have to do something with sybil trawlany seeing as sometimes she is possessed she might of acted by that.
also another theory i have is that neville’s frog, trevor, might be an animagus transforming in to regulas black. when he was pronounced dead he knew that he would have to stay low so he did what peter pettigrew did and transformed into there animal full time until the time was right
April 8, 2006
if trevor was regulas it would explain why he is always dissapearing on neville..he is looking for the horuxes!
April 10, 2006
#104 - Barty Crouch is actually ‘the loyal and trusted servant, already at Hogwarts’ (or similar words used by VD.
Wormtail (aka Peter Pettigrew) is the one VD describes as having ‘re-entered my services’.
# 106/107 - I also think that RAB may well still be alive (but hidden, either by DD, or by being able to transform into something … I had a theory a while ago that RAB was in fact Crookshanks … because in book 3, we hear about Crookshanks and Sirius (as the dog) being seen together on a number of occasions!)
April 11, 2006
I was just reading the part where snape kills DD. I found it strange that DD as thrown a great distance by the killing curse. I was under the impression that the curse just killed people and they would fall down dead. The 6th book showed how skilled the half blood prince was at non-verbal spells. Snape seems like a quick thinker and he is great at fooling others. Perhaps he didn’t kill DD. I also agree that DD wouldn’t beg for his life. That would imply that he never really trusted snape. DD has always been so sure that Snape was good that I think DD would have trusted him to the bitter end. Plus isn’t it standard to say please don’t kill me when you are begging for your life. And my greatest reason for believing that DD is not dead is that he made harry promise to return to his aunt and uncles house. This made absolutely no sense to me at first. If the spell ends when harry turns 17 then what difference would it make if harry returned to his aunts house. He would only be safe for very long and the day he turns 17 there would be a wonderful ambush waiting for him. Now if DD was still alive then a few months where harry was safe would be very valuable to DD. He could have made harry promise to go to his aunts house just to buy some time. After harry turns 17, if DD is alive, he would probably want to be at Harry’s side at all times if he didn’t return to Hogwarts. One thing that many other stories have shown is that a person can get a lot done when they are thought to be dead.
I was also thinking about Harry as a horuxes. From what I understand horuxes are only useful if they are separate from the person who created them. When LV used Harry’s blood to come back, he might have rejoined with the part of his soul that was in Harry meaning that it is linked to LV and if he dies, it dies. This way Harry wouldn’t have to die. When LV is killed I think the part of LV’s soul in harry will also die, leaving harry free of its influence.
April 12, 2006
108#….i agree with you….in the chapter of the white tomb. i think harry actually saw a phoinex come from dd and dd is in fact a animagus of the phoinex. but it’s all theory. i still can’t believe dd is dead though ….certain clues make it believe he ain’t dead.
April 19, 2006
Maybedumbledore is whatever Tonks is. I doubt it but it’s an idea. Metamorphagous or whatever it’s called.
April 19, 2006
102-good thoguht, the snake could be nagini, though im not sure it was
104- i believe the one who left voldemort for ever was karkaroff, remember how worried he was when the mark was getting darker.
106- i doubt that trevor the toad is regulas black, wouldn’t it show up on the marauders map? but i do think he is alive
everyone else- does anyone think tonks and lupin will marry???
April 23, 2006
This is really for a RAB thread but its now closed…
Really random thought -
When Harry is in detention with Snape in the Hald Blood Prince and he is going through the records one reads ‘James Potter and Sirius Black given detention for swelling Bertram Auxleys head’. Or something like that. What if R.A.B. is ‘Reverse Auxely Bertram’?
Just thought I’d share this with you all - I still think R.A.B. is Regulus.
April 24, 2006
hey did anyone ever think out side the box….just because regulas fits the part of r.a.b doesn’t mean it’s him..remember j.k rowling makes many surprizes
April 27, 2006
My big theory.
Snape had a crush on Lily while at Hogwarts. They both loved Potions. She was the only person that didn’t pick on him. She defended him when James and Serius attacked him in his Pensieve memory. (the part he hated about that memory isn’t that he was picked on, but that he insulted Lily, calling her a “mudblood”, when he truly liked her) This would explaing why he dislikes Harry so much. Harry symbolizes Lily’s love for James, and not him. Snape felt guilty after he told V about the prophecy and V decided it meant the Potters. Snape was the “other person” at the Potters’ house the night they were killed. He asked V to spare Lily ( thus the whole “she could be spared” thing), but Lily couldn’t let herself live and watch her child die.
I agree with everyone that feels Harry couldn’t be a horocrux. That just seems obsurd to me. Why would V try to kill part of himself?
DD’s death could very well be staged. He told Draco that he had ways to make people dissappear (untraceable). He offered this as protection for Draco and his mom from V. So why couldn’t he do this with himself… maybe after faking a death? It would explain the peculiar results of the Ava Cadava curse. It would also explain the missing wand, the bright flash at the funeral (similar to when he escaped from the minister when he tried to arrest him), and it could explain why the wand maker dissappeared (could be being protected since V might want another wand whose core isn’t shared with Harry’s).
I do believe Severus is good. Even as Harry tried to attack him after DD’s “death”, Snape was trying to teach Harry about closing his mind. Snape knew that Harry would be no match for V if he didn’t master Oclumancy. If Snape was truly evil, he would have done his dark master a favor and killed Harry too.
But I feel that Harry is ill-prepared to search for the horocrux’s. He can’t sense the magic as DD did. Harry would never have even found the doorway to the lake, much less the rope to the boat.
Grindlewald was “defeated” not killed. I doubt DD would kill. Good people don’t kill. They defeat.. break the evil’s will.
I think that Peeves could play a role in book 7. Not sure how, but I thought that was an interesting theory.
I wouldn’t be surprised if McGonogol took on the role as Harry’s mentor. Maybe teaching the 3 to be animagous. It would definately help them out.
I’d love to hear some feedback from budutk@yahoo.com
April 28, 2006
i have been re-reading the order of the pheonix and the half blood prince i think unfortunetly that mcgonangall is going to die in the next book. I think one of Voldemorts stratigies is killing everyone who has a big effect on Harry’s life. Think about it, his parents, sirius, dumbledore.
just a thought
April 28, 2006
As far as I’m concerned, way too much emphasis was put on “nonverbal” spells in HBP for Snape NOT to have been performing another spell (expelliarmus) while mouthing avada cadava (which requires the user to “really mean it”, as we learned in OoTP).
Everything that happened on the top of the tower was set up. Why would DD petrify Harry instead of freezing Malfoy, unless to continue the staged death? He could, even though he was weakened, defend himself easily from Malfoy, and Harry would NOT have been in any danger if Malfoy was frozen. With the mock death, and all of the witnesses (Harry included), the entire school and wizarding world would think he was gone… thus he is free to sneak back on the scene and get Harry, and search for the Horocruxs.
dumbledoreisnotdead.com is a great read.. they’ve got some really good theories *and i’m not just saying that since several agree with me
April 29, 2006
Iagree with Budutk comments on sereral items. I think Snape may be the father of the female infant that Lily had that did not survive. This is a bit heavy for a children’s book, but I’m not so sure that it is a children’s book. I also agree that Dumbledore’s defeat of Grimwald does not equate with killing him. Defeating Grimwald is an even greater feat than killing. Killing does not require greatness. But to overcome evil and restore balance is something much more. For this story to work, Harry needs to become great, not just powerful. He needs to become transendent and embody the wisdom, kindness, and even surpass the greatness of his teacher (DD). I think that Aberforth, DD’s brother will tell the history of Grimwald’s defeat, and Harry will learn that he and DD may have much more in common than he would have thought. In the end, Harry will overcome Voldtemort by way of love rather than by the hate he is filled with at the end of the 6th book, and through clearing his mind as instructed by Snape.
May 1, 2006
ok……… so i believe that dumbledore and snape planned the death, and that snape is good and all, but who’s gonna break it to Harry? Snape? think about it.
May 2, 2006
Ref. to #104 post-
I have had a feeling about Dumbledore since the sceen in the grave yard when LV returned. After reading HBP, when Dumbledore was drinking the potion in the cave and his strange comments about ” Make it stop. It’s all my fault. I know I did wrong. Please make it stop and I’ll never, never again…” I am now even more sure that my guess may be correct. LV says in the grave yard sceen that 6 DE are missing from the group that returned. - “three dead in my service, one to cowardly to return(karkaroff), and one, I believe has left me forever…he will be killed of course. —–I believe that this DE is / was —Dumbledore. Could he have joined Tom Riddle / LV in the beginning, and could he have been caught up in whatever plot that caused James and Lilly’s deaths, and he then left them (the DE and LV,) forever, and must live with these painful memories. I have not seen any comments to this thinking so far, but Dumbledore was a powerful wizzard that LV is known to fear and respected even then it seems.
Any thoughts on this anyone?
May 2, 2006
#120 - I think the notion of DD having been a deatheater is nonsense … sorry!! There is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea of DD being involved in evil! The deatheater that VD refers to as the one that “has left me forever” I think is probably Snape, although hopefully Snape has managed to since convince VD that he is working for him (when in fact he is a spy for DD).
#118 - where did this suggestion that Lily had an infant girl that did not survive come from? I can’t recall reading anything anwhere that points towards this?!
May 3, 2006
I seriously doubt that there was some secret offspring from Snape and Lily. That just seems obsurd to me.
I also find DD being a death eater at some time to be obsurd. Why would a 125+ yr old, and already powerful, DD be a lacky for a 60 yr old V? (ages approximated for the time of the First Wizarding War). DD wouldn’t quite fit in with V’s typical crew. And besides, we were told that “there hasn’t been a dark wizard who hasn’t been from Slitherin” house. And I think its obvious (I’m not sure we’ve been told or not) that DD was in Gryffindor.
Speakin of Gryffindor, I find the theory of DD or Harry being the heir of Godric Gryffindor. ( Godric Hollow… Godric Gryffindor) Lexicon has a good essay regarding the possible connection for Harry (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/essays/essay-stag.html) Personally, I find it more believable that DD is the heir, and not Harry. I believe we’re told that DD provided the hiding place for James & Lily. Thus we could assume that it was DD house they were using, since DD was at Hogwarts.
So I guess, I believe that DD is GG’s heir. His house in Godric Hollow (land formerly owned by GG and passed down to DD) was lent to the Potters to hide them, just as St Godric hid the stag in the essay.
May 3, 2006
I don’t know about Dumbledore being Gryffindor’s heir, but I can tell you for sure that Harry isn’t. Rowling put on her site, in the rumors section, that Harry is definitely not Gryffindor’s heir.
May 4, 2006
I just read an interesting essay on Lexicon about animagi, and I thought I’d share one of its theories.
We were told in CoS that Dumbledore had been the previous transfiguration professor. And seeing how he is widely considered the greatest wizard of the age, would it not be probable that he was an animagus. And if that is true, (following the examples of other animagi we’ve read about) DD’s animal personna would have to be something that is powerful, loyal, brave, and magical. (Possibly a pheonix???)
Not to beat a dead horse, but could that pheonix that we assumed to be Fawkes at the funeral have actually been DD himself?
I’m interested to hear some feedback on this thought. email me at budutk@yahoo.com
May 4, 2006
Once again I’m sorry to appear as your editor but I believe that in the Chamber of Secrets Dumbledore appeared as the Charms master. But I do agree that if Dumbledore were an animagus he would be a phoenix, (Rowling said in an interview that Dumbledore’s patronus is a phoenix, so it only follows that he would transform into one as well). Discussion of Fawkes is an interesting topic, I asserted in one of the other posts (I think it was the original HBP post that is now closed now) that Fawkes may be a horcux of Dumbledore’s created via the defeat of Grindlewald. Of course this idea is difficult to believe due to the evil nature of horcuxes, but it seems that the murder of somebody, whether for good or evil, rips the soul apart, and it may follow that if this split was inevitable in defeating Grindlewald for Dumbledore he may have taken the oppurtunity to store half of his soul in an invincible object, his phoenix Fawkes.
May 4, 2006
sorry Neb, but you’re mistaken. Dumbledore WAS the transfiguration teacher, and not the charms teacher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
I remember it as clear as day, because the moment I read it I started wondering if he could transform.
May 6, 2006
Yes Dumbledore was the Tranafiguration teacher.
May 12, 2006
i blive dumbledore is dead. he wudnt make a horcrux cuz he’s a good wiz. n tearin ur soul apart is d worst thing possible. n dumbledore wudnt go hankering after immortality. but wudnt he b behind d veil? n if luna cud communicate wid her mother [she says somefin in d 5th part] wudnt harry b able 2 communicate wid dumbledore n sirius both?
i jus’ thot - could it [makin a horcrux] b d thing ‘worse than death’ dat dumbledore tells voldemort at their confrontation in the ministry? if so where does it lead?
n wut about fawkes? what do v really kno about phoenixes? they r bound 2 b really pwerful magical creatures cuz their feathers r used in makin wands. same as unicorn hair is used n unicorns r really pure n very magical creatures as hagrid says in d 1st book.
i dont hav ne definite theories right now. i’m new 2 this blogging thing. so jus’ tell me wut u think ’bout d above [if this post comes up]
May 18, 2006
i think snape was under a curse
May 20, 2006
A phoenix at a funeral… The phoenix symbolizes immortality, resurrection and life after death. DD is definitly alive.
May 24, 2006
Dumbledore=D E A D
May 24, 2006
i second fish’s opinion
May 25, 2006
But what about the portrait in the headmaster’s office, dumbledore wasnt moving in it. If this is because dumbledore isnt dead, then he will probably show up in the end of the 7th book, or sacrifice himself. If dumbledore is dead, why can’t harry got to dumbledore’s portrait and seek help. If dumbledore is dead, will fawkes come to aid harry? Fawkes did in the chamber of secrets.
May 28, 2006
Dumbledore is dead. As u all kno lily died to protect harry, thus giving him protection from voldemort and other evil people. Maybe with dumbledore being killed by snape it gave the students at hogwarts the protection of love, because he died to protect them, like how lily died to protect harry.
May 28, 2006
i think dumbledore died, but he sacrificed his life to give harry the strongest power ever, love, and he may have also givent hat to other hogwarts students.
May 28, 2006
sorry about the two posts saying the exact same thing
May 30, 2006
Do you guys think that after Voldemort is defeated, and Harry survives, he will take over hogwarts. He could be the new headmaster or teach D.A.D.A. if dummbledore is dead.
May 31, 2006
i would like to see a book about harrys life after voldemort
June 1, 2006
hello, i feel that RAB is definately Regulus Black. In the order of the pheonix, in The House of Black, there was a big heavy locket which could not be opened. I think that this had a serpent on it (cannot remember the exact quote), and was present early on in the book. It was in one of the chapters about the cleaning of the house. I think that Regulus Black is a very important character, harry and co. will find out about him in the 7th book. also, i feel that Hermione and harry and ron are been silly because they must know that they should look for the initials RB not RAB.
On a different note, i agree that dumbledore would not beg to be kept alive, although he would beg to be killed. I think Snape is not bad, and i can remember an arguement with snape and dumbledore. Snape said that he didn’t want to do it anymore. This is when hagrid tells harry, i think he was in the hospital wing. Could Snape want to pledge his allegiance to dumbledore. Aslo, snape had to do the unbreakable bond to pretend to narcissa and co. that he was on there side.
I was also intrigued by the look of triumph in Dumbledores eyes.
The 6th horcrux cannot be harry because it is the snake, naggini. Voldemort wanted to make the final horcrux out of harry, an important death. he failed to kill harry, because of his mothers love so made it out of the muggle, frank brice.
June 1, 2006
I dont think that Dumdledore created a Horcrux because he is good. However in the first book it says Flammels stone is the only ”known” philosophers stone. Also, on his famous witches and wizards card it refered to his work on alchemy with nicolas flammel. I think it is more likely that he has a philosophers stone. This would cease to work if he failed to drink the elixir of life, but Dumbledore could set his affairs in order; he would wait until after he had helped harry.
June 1, 2006
sorry i forgot, dumbledore is excessively old.
June 1, 2006
the excassive ageing would suggest a stone. I think that snape knew about the horcruxes, because he helped dumbledore and saved him when he destroyed the ring and hurt his hand. He must have knew, because it would have been a sticky situation with Dumbledore. What could he say to snape had happened. The revulsion on snapes face was there because he hated dumbledore for asking for wanting him to kill him. Also, dumbledore asked specifically for snape while outside after harry helped him apperate. He needed snape for a reason. i think snape is good.
June 1, 2006
i want to know about this other child of lilys. who made this up. i have never read anything like this. and what is this about potter being the partner of you know whos sister. tell me more. i am intrigued.
June 8, 2006
somebody else had spoken Snapes name, quite softly. “Severus…” The sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading. Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. … Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face. “Severus… Please…”
I’m not sure but I think Dumbledore was begging snape not to join the death eaters again
June 12, 2006
i must say first that i agree that bumbledore is dead, harry has to finish on his own…but just because he is dead would the petrificus charm dumbledore put on harry be lifted? i think that snape read dumbledores thoughts on the tower, and snape knew harry was there and only did what he did