Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #2: Dumbledore

Before I continue I'm going to give some warning for those who still haven't read the Harry Potter books. If, like me, you like to be surprised when you read something new - leave now

Photograph of Michael Gambon as Dumbledore

This post is a follow on from my earlier Harry Potter theory about RAB.

So, let's start with the obvious...

Is Dumbledore really dead?

There are people who seem to think that Dumbledore hasn't died and is actually still alive and kicking. I disagree. Whilst the arguments on sites like DumbledoreIsNotDead.com appear to be based in truth, they could be reversed to explain that yes, he has gone.

There is a book called 'The Hero with a Thousand Faces' - you can read a decent summary here - which explains the hero's journey, also known as a monomyth. Essentially what this is, is a template for heroic adventure; a structure that heroic stories generally follow.

Often in heroic stories the mentor of the lead character dies before the hero has the final confrontation with the ultimate evil. This is seen time and time again, famously in films like Star Wars (Obi Won killed by Vader - "Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"), and the Lord of the Rings (Gandalf dies - resurrected, but the hero doesn't realise this after the quest is complete). There are reasons for this as well. If Dumbledore isn't dead then he will feel compelled to help Harry in the final battle, likewise Harry will feel he has to protect Dumbledore. The death of the mentor is generally the turning point, the catalyst, it turns the reluctant hero into the 'enthusiastic' hero. The death of the mentor is also the signal that the hero has learned everything he needs to, Harry now knows how to defeat Voldemort - he just doesn't realise it.

So he's gone then..?

I don't think so. Is he dead? Oh yes - but we've already seen him once, in a painting, in the headmasters office. We've seen the paintings do some pretty cool things, and Dumbledore's is bound to be special. Harry said he won't be going back to Hogwarts as a student, and I don't think he will, but I can't see the entire book being devoid of the school that has been his home for the last 6 years.

Snape

somebody else had spoken Snapes name, quite softly. "Severus..." The sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading. Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. ... Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face. "Severus... Please..."

Before he dies Dumbledore begs Snape to do ... something. Whether he was pleading for his life, or pleading for Snape to kill him, which is another post entirely, Dumbledore knew that death would follow shortly.

Dumbledore - gone but not forgotten...

Dumbledore is clearly one of the most important characters in the entire series, there are a number of things he has said and done that still need to be resolved...

He said my blood would make him stronger... He said the protection my mother left me -- he'd have it too. ...he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face.

For a fleeting instant, Harry though he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes.

There has been speculation on this quote in a number of places, so I figured I'd throw something else into the pot. What if something in Harry was turned into a Horcrux, and now Voldemort has had some of it returned? When Goblet of Fire came out we new nothing about Horcruxes, but there is nothing to say that there hasn't been any references to them in past books. I must admit that I don't think this theory is particularly likely, but Harry has obviously passed something of himself over to Voldemort, and Dumbledore has a pretty good idea (knows?) of what it is.

Maybe the sharing of blood has something to do with this?

"She doesn't love me," said Harry at once. "She doesn't give a damn --"
"But she took you," Dumbledore cut across him. "She may have taken you grudgingly, furiously, unwillingly, bitterly, yet still she took you, and in doing so, she sealed the charm I placed upon you. Your mother's sacrifice made the bond of blood the strongest shield I could give you."

"I still don't --"

"While you can still call home the place where your mother's blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort. He shed her blood, but it lives on in you and her sister. Her blood became your refuge. You need return there only once a year, but as long as you can still call it home, there he cannot hurt you. Your aunt knows this. I explained what I had done in the letter I left, with you, on her doorstep. She knows that allowing you houseroom may well have kept you alive for the past fifteen years."

The following quote, from the Order of the Pheonix, means nothing to me, but the moment I read it I knew (erm thought) it had some sort of significance that hasn't been explained yet.

Dumbledore now swooped down upon one of the fragile silver instruments whose function Harry had never known, carried it over to his desk, sat down facing them again, and tapped it gently with the tip of his wand.

The instrument tinkled into life at once with rhythmic clinking noises. Tiny puffs of pale green smoke issued from the miniscule silver tube at the top. Dumbledore watched the smoke closely, his brow furrowed, and after a few seconds, the tiny puffs became a steady stream of smoke that thickened and coiled in the air.... A serpent's head grew out of the end of it, opening its mouth wide. (...)

"Naturally, naturally," murmured Dumbledore apparently to himself, still observing the stream of smoke without the slightest sign of surprise. "But in essence divided?"

Harry could make neither head nor tail of this question. The smoke serpent, however, split itself instantly into two snakes, both coiling and undulating in the dark air. With a look of grim satisfaction Dumbledore gave the instrument another gentle tap with his wand.

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949 thoughts on “Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory #2: Dumbledore

  • Reply ›
    Nancy

    Fred, I think you've hit upon an excellent point. Lily has been referred to as "muggle born" but we only know that means her parents weren't magical. I'd never considered that one or both of them might be squibs. What with the wizarding world doing everything they can to prevent the Muggles from knowing they exist at all, I'd wondered WHY Lily's parents were so proud to have a witch in the family. If they had magic in previous generations, that would explain a lot! Great observation!
    And Petunia's attitude definitely could arise from jealousy. I think that Petunia decided if she couldn't be a witch herself (in fact, technically, she isn't even a squib), she'd determine to develop herself as a social-climbing Muggle whose home and family would be as PERFECT as she could make them. She felt compelled to distance herself from all magic on her side of the family--and then came Harry!

    March 31, 2007

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    Lindsay

    nice post Fred!!! yes that would make perfect sense if Lily and Petunia's grandparents (or great-grandparents, and so on..) were witches and wizards, which would make Lily's parents 'proud' that the tradition of magic could carry on. Very good job of pointing that out!

    March 31, 2007

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    Fred

    thank you very much girls, I am trying not to think to much but you know how we are us the girls, if we do not find an answer we think and think again, and Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets on TV today gave me a lot of more thinking! again!

    I would rise the point of Dumbledore death again and Dumbledore connection with the sorting hat(I dont remember its name in English sorry) that was brought to Harry by the phenix of Dumbledore to help him and ginny in the chamber of secret book 2.
    I wonder first why the phenix came at first place to help Harry. Dumbledore kindly answered that and said to Harry that he should have shown a lot of loyalty to Dumbledore in the chamber in order for the bird to come at the rescue. This point is important and I guess in the future the phenix may again reappear to help Harry , may be at the very end, the love Harry has for Dumbledore could either make Dumbledore rebirth from his ashes like the phenix, or make the phenix to come and save harry after for exemple a deathly injury. That is an idea because I think this second movie gave me a lot of information.

    Another thing, why the phenix brings the hat and does not bring for exemple the griffindor's sword straight away? again the enphazie is made on the hat.
    I think Dumbledore does not own the sword himself, and the hat that is said already to have a bit of each of the founders of hogward soul and brain has more than memories and aptitudes in putting students in their future houses. He has power to make the sword appears. Question: was the sword in Dumbledore office or was it in a magical place that the hat retrieved, hiden to be protected may be as one possession of griffindor against LV ?
    This is something that could come to a development in the last book. We do not know exactly how the hat has been cursed, how can he makes decisions.
    By the way how can Harry kind of convince him (the hat) that he would be better in grinffindor, if the hat has not a connection with the beyond. It is I think the same type of spell that the Portraits in Dumbledore office, they talk and give their opinion wired no? what do you think about it?

    another thing very important and now I put my finger on a interesting part, I am wondering something:
    to create an Horcrux LV needed to kill someone and really meant it, before being able to retreive a piece of soul from himself and input it to the meant to be horcrux. So does it work the same way the other way round, for the piece of soul in the Horcrux to go back to his owner? I understood that Tom Riddle projection of a bit of LV soul was intending to kill ginny weasley in the chamber, and said "in few minutes she will be dead and I will be again alive". So if I follow this, it means that in order to get back a piece of soul, someone has to die for this purpose.

    If we assume that Harry was an hocrux I say was because I am assuming that he is not anymore after the graveyard in the goblet of fire. Voldemore understood that by mistake he put a piece of him inside Harry scar so the connection, the parsletong etc; in the cemetery, he kills first Cedric so he has his death, get blood from harry and raise again, so what did harry gave him, and why harry? he could have got the blood of anyone else (but may be I am wrong here I dont remember exactly), so may be it is not really blood but the piece of soul he retrieves from Harry; Then he wants to kill him, but not before he takes the blood while Harry is alive.

    Another thing Tom Riddle was a projection of Voldemore past, we all agree. But how on earth is he talking about Harry, saying that he wanted to met him for few month now etc; So the piece of soul has the ability to have a memory that is updated on the go, so a direct link with the person who did the horcrux. Stange no?

    About the people that could die in book 6, I could not imagine the three heros to disappear, may be being very much in danger but not die.
    Now I starting a sort of game to seek people ideas of the future deaths, I know it is not very happy but we need to be psychologically prepared, and the person that will develop magic late in life:

    deaths:
    Neville, as he could sacrify himself if he had heard the prophetie and try to find out if he is the chosen and not Harry
    the twins weasley or a member of the family like Mrs Weasley but ron or ginny because she get her chance in book 2, I dont know why but the twins may as well sacrify themself for fame or to be heros you know them
    Hagrid as he is not really good at magic as he did not finish his years as student, and he wants to revenge of Tom Riddle as he get him through out of Hogward. But he could be has well the one that becomes good at it late in life why not;
    Tonks may be trying to save Lupin

    Anybody close to harry we have to expect really, as Cedric died like that in one page.

    I will give a though about it.

    that's it for tonigh sorry if I am too talkative..

    March 31, 2007

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    Lindsay

    wow again Fred you brought up like a million good points! I think the Sorting Hat was in Dumbledore's office the whole time, since it is "safe" there..as Dumbledore said, the main relics of Godric Gryffindor are safe (the sword and Sorting Hat). But I'm sure there was some magical shield around it or something in his office.

    Yeah I agree that there is more to the Sorting Hat than we know. I find it strange that the Sorting Hat not only makes up its own songs and has the power to "sort" students, it also can sense the 'bit of Voldemort' that is in Harry...this is why the Sorting Hat said that Harry would be great in Slytherin. So it obviously is a very magical and intelligent object. I believe that Voldemort probably attempted to make the Sorting Hat and/or Gryffindor's sword a Horcrux at one point, although Dumbledore assures us that they are safe and not Horcruxes.

    I agree that Fawkes the phoenix will most likely help Harry in the seventh book, since Fawkes was loyal to Dumbledore, and Harry is loyal to Dumbledore, therefore that makes the connection. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry even found out how to actually summon Fawkes...that would be really cool!

    That's also a good point that maybe Voldemort took the bit of himself out of Harry in the graveyard. However I'm not sure if it is possible to do that without actually killing the person, IF Harry is a Horcrux.

    I really hope none of the trio dies, and I hope Neville doesn't either! of course it will be sad if anyone (except Voldemort lol) dies! I think Draco is in significant danger...he now has enemies on Harry's side...and I'm sure Voldemort won't be too happy with him.

    Snape may also be in danger of death, because 1) IF he is a double-agent for Dumbledore and has been spying on Voldemort, obviously Voldemort will want to kill him. 2) IF Snape has indeed been loyal to Voldemort, then he's going to be up against a lot of powerful Order of the Phoenix members, plus Harry will want to get revenge for Dumbledore's death. and 3) IF he's being a 'typical Slytherin' and only fighting for himself, for his own ultimate power...then he's going to be up against EVERYONE.

    Okay, last thing, again you've made a great point about Hagrid wanting to 'get revenge' on Voldemort, since Tom Riddle framed Hagrid for opening the Chamber of Secrets. I hope Hagrid doesn't die either!

    March 31, 2007

  • Reply ›
    mikedagr8

    k nice ive been away for a couple of days so my frend was here nut heres my thoughts while away (im leaving out some s there's way too much to cover in one post and im tired). We can garruntee that voldemort is an only child as he is always reffered to as the last heir of slytherin but this could mean that his siblings died previously (most likely he killed them). k the sword is not in dumbledores possesion because think about this logic and follow me. when fawkes brings him the hat he doesnt looks at it buit closes his eyes and it appears through his bravery and connection with gryffindor (we also know that it was gryffindor's idea for the hat). if it was in dumbledore's possesion fawkes would have been oble to carry it to harry without the hat. so why did he need the hat. to show that he was meant to be in gryffindor and clear his thoughts and be brave for the battle ahead. harry then finds out later that it was gryffindors sword, showing his connection, but not knowing it originally iwhen fighting (soz if i contradicted myself if i did, just pretend i didn't, i didnt mean to). so for harry to summon it as dumbledpre says 'only a true gryfiindor...' so we know that it is not in his possesion as he even states it. and with fawkes being able to be called through to harry at will, this is unlikely as harry would have called for fawkes before dumbledore allegdly dies. even dumbledore would have called for fawkes. also i dont understand how malfoy could disarm dumbledore when he is able to block all spells but he doesn't even resist it. in the american edition he says 'no one would be surprised if you died fighting me' but does this mean that he has intentions to kill him as he can use his legillimens to look at his thoughts. and also i just figured dumbledore didn't need to say anything to snape as the y bouth have legillimens ad could have just read each others minds. it is true that dumbledore doesn't know who is coming up the stairs, but maybe he has a power to see through objects? (i don't know just somethign to put out there). so when dumbledore does speak to snape and say 'snape ... please' maybe he is sayign do sa we said before but only saying please to show he really means whatever snape is reading in his mind. also thanks lindsay for reffering my idea of snape being power hungry for your third option, like that very much. k thats all i got for now, ill have more dont worry. i am rereading now and sicne i already know the plot i have found at least 10 pieces of foreshadowing in each book so when i get to book six ill try and point out parts that i reckon are foreshadowing (fore shadowing is tellign the reader subtely what is going to happen in the future, but without them knowing at the current time). thanks for reading and keep posting

    April 1, 2007

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    fred

    Lindsay you made a very good point about Snape being in Slytherin so being in pursue of his own goals!!! really good!! so this corroborate what I think about some veil made between dumbledore and Snape may be as a sign of redemption for Snape to show loyalty to Dumbledore anyway that if he break the veil he dies etc (this could explain why Dumbledore is so peacful about snape being a good guy whenever he is question about the true intentions of snape, a veil would make sence). If dumbledore took him to teach at hogward he could have said to him as he has a debt toward James, his duty to repay etc is to protect Harry with his own life and prevent him from becoming evil falling on to LV side (we never know could have been friend with Malfoy, just a joke).

    By the way I believe Snape admire Drago and protect him because he represents what he would have like to be, intelligent cuning, and sure of himself. As well as the master of Slighterin he put all his hopes in him as his probably best potential student who shows all the great caracteristics of the house;

    We know that every student going through Slytherin is meant to do great thing and accomplish great purposes as olliwander says in book 1 to Harry and about LV. So we can assume that Snape and draco will do great things at one point. If they are going toward the light and good side at one point cant we expect that at the very least Voldemore will get a touch of humanity and will get redemption too (may be to idealist but it seems logical). Especially with what I said another time the power of love.

    You are right that Draco and Snape are both in trouble and imagine how snape is in trouble taking into account he needs to protect draco or he dies and if he made the veil to protect harry he is a second time in trouble cause he needs to protect him too.

    I agree I dont want Hagrid to die, he may be able finally to repair his wand and become powerful who knows.

    An horrible idea came to me, about the coming back of Victor Krum in book 7, I hope it is not because Hermione is in danger or dead like coming for her funeral. But he may die trying to protect her. I do not see in which extend he could come back in the story. I mean except his connection with Hermione. This is strange.

    anyway I am going to sleep over my thoughts, hoping tomorrow some more people or even Ben (I didnt even thank you for letting us speculating about our favorite subject Harry potter!) will come to add some other comments or ideas for us to carry on , I guess with lindsay and Nancy we start to investigate some interesting points (interesting not because I raise them but because sometimes it makes sense, but I would love too some people to prove me wrong if I am!)

    April 1, 2007

  • Reply ›
    Lindsay

    oh you're welcome mikedagr8 (btw he was the one who had the original idea of Snape being a 'typical Slytherin' and working for his own victory)
    Yeah this is true that Snape and Dumbledore probably had their own "communication through their minds" lol, so really Dumbledore could have been saying "Severus...please..." to anything, we just don't know for sure! (I'm sure we will find out though) I'm looking forward to your foreshadowing mikedagr8!

    to fred: Yeah it's definitely a possibility that Snape and Dumbledore had some sort of Vow, which is the reason that Dumbledore always trusted Snape so much. Then again, we are reminded alot of the fact that Dumbledore is sometimes too trusting. So really it could go either way.

    It's interesting that you mention Ollivander...I don't think this has been posted recently so I'll bring it back up..."Ollivander" unscrambled = "an evil lord"! So, to me, I think that when Ollivander tells Harry that Voldemort did "great things", he REALLY means that...I would not be surprised if Ollivander is a Voldemort supporter...just think of Harry's first reaction to him; Harry says he has creepy eyes and doesn't like him all that much, although he can't really tell why. I think Harry is somehow sensing Ollivander's 'evilness'.

    April 1, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    hey thanks lindsay, um i just want to point out if i havent before about anagrams, theyre grweat but there are too many words to wory abouot but that anagram is a certainty i am sure. and ollivander may be under imperious at some stage (triwizard maybe) so he may have an influnce. oh my favourite foreshadowing so far is in GOF, where they don't mention bartyu crouches son having the same name, and when theyre at the world cup, and it says that winky looked like she was holding onto an incvisible person(or similar). just great to see all foreshadowing so it is a garruntee. btw i am on pg 500~ of GOF. so just a cuple hundred pages more. wish me luck!

    April 1, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    soz lot of typos my apologies, do the best you can to understand.

    April 1, 2007

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    fred

    I agree with you Lindsay, Ollivander is definatly not very goody goody. I dont know why I have just made a bridge between two things and built on what you said.I have few theories about that.

    Do you remember when Harry went to get his wand in first book. So he was asked to try few of them and made explosion in the shop, anyway at the end Ollivander said " oh I wonder?" and gave harry the feather pheonix wand (again the pheonix guys this is not a coincidence I am sure). and said that it is very strange, only one other wand had been made out of this feather, two wands from one feather. And this is very important.The other one belongs (the tense of the verb is important here and not has belonged as LV was supposely dead then, if he is a deatheater he knows LV is back somehow) to a very powerful socerer, and you are meant to accomplish great things, the wizard who owns the "twin" wand (and he said the twin at least in French edition, shows already the connection) has made great things, terrible but great.

    (by the way well done for the anagram, it is an idea, ollivander could be also Holy wander if we base it on the pronounciation lol)

    What about if the hocrux missing is Harry wand, follow my though on this. Tom Riddle get his wand as another student and ollivander gives him a special wand as he had sensed potential in him; Why Tom Riddle wouldnt make the horcrux on this wand knowing that anyway nobody destroy a wand and this may not be given to anyone else I dont know for which reasons (we could think that the pheonix who had this feather could be the pets of godric griffondor himself like for Dumbledore, so it makes sence something important that belonged to Griffindor what is more important that his best friend pet)

    Either then LV put a curse imperious (as metioned it mikedagr8 above) on Ollivander for him to give the wand.
    Or it is given to harry has ollivander senses again the same similitudes with LV.
    This is becoming interesting and I am coming to my point.

    By the way is ollivander the one who make the wands or he just sell them? he would be pretty old no?

    In its message R.A.B says, "I face death in hope that when you meet you match you will be mortal again" just before he said "I will be dead long before".
    Here, we are talking of someone if R.A.B is a person, that has stolen the hocrux after LV is supposely dead. So we say R.A.B knows LV is not dead it could be a deatheater, he knows the locket is a hocrux, he know that retrieving it could be deadlly dangerous or that he may be killed by deatheaters.
    So when he says when you meet your match, I would think he means you will meet the twin wand of yours, it could be an explaination.

    Cant we assume Dumbledore put together the all cave things and knew there was not the hocrux but a copy in the cave. So he could have faked being sick in order to reach the tower and carry on a plan he had made with Snape? I dont know this is becoming to wired.

    By the way the message of R.A.B is wired in the way it is formulated: the "I" used a lot and being emphasize could mean that LV could think few people could actually stole the real hocrux but the R.A.B want to make sure LV knows who is "I".

    R.A.B I though a lot about this, everyone is getting excited about Regulus I am not convinced to be honest, as someone said it is too obvious I think ,unless JKRowling is not that tortured and really meant it to be simple, but I doubt it.
    We could assume that the fact that each letter is separated with dot could not be apply for initial of a name it is not commun to put a dot between the initial of your name. It could however work if it is three people as mentioned upper in the dialogue, or if it is a group or a short cut : exemple A.S.A.P as soon as possible uses dots. I think it could be something like that (as English is not my first language I cannot easily come up with words that could make sense straight away!) but we know people like to gather and belong to some groups: the DA dumbledore's army, the marodeurs (james and co), the deatheaters, etc why not another group of people where "I" would be, but not that important so he had to emphasies "I" for LV to know first thing it was HIM who retrieved the locket.

    I still keep in mind that some people checked in various languages and R.A.B the B become another letter as the name of Black transform in other languages following the same letter. So I still speculate above, and anything could be relevant and we have to wait for the book to be reliesed.

    April 1, 2007

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    fred

    R.A.B regulation Artifacts Bureau?

    April 1, 2007

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    Lindsay

    Yeah I think either Ollivander truly is "an evil lord" (as mikedagr8 pointed out, that is probably one of the only anagrams we should take seriously), either that or he is under the Imperius Curse. It's very strange also that Ollivander simply disappeared and no one seems to know what happened to him.

    fred I agree, sometimes I also think RAB being Regulus is simply too obvious. JK Rowling has said that that would be "...a fine guess.." but of course she's not going to just give it away.

    Another random thought, this has been brought up before, but I wonder what happened to Dumbledore's wand (if he is truly dead). If he's alive (somehow), then he probably, hopefully, still has it. But if he's dead, where did it go? Wherever it is, it needs to be kept safe I'm sure.

    to 711 -fred-, is the Regulation Artifacts Bureau a real thing in the books? for some reason I don't remember ever hearing about it but I may have missed it.

    April 1, 2007

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    fred

    No lindsay Regulation artifacts bureau I just made it up to try to see if R.A.B could be an acronym. But I am still on this.
    It makes sense about Dumbledore wand it is true that if he is alive he has his wand. I trully believe he is alive because he has the phoenix patronus and is owning a phoenix and being the founder of the order of the phoenix in this case he could obviously come back to life. May be Snape cursed a deadly curse on him taking into account he was very sick and weak from the potion, knowing may be Dumbledore can raise again from ashes like the phoenix. I dont know.
    But not the Avakedavra.

    Thanks for your input!

    April 1, 2007

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    Lindsay

    okay yeah I had never heard of the Regulation Artifacts Bureau, but good idea to try to find other ways to work out RAB!

    fred since you're a "Dumbledore is alive" believer, this site might interest you:
    http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/.../topics/dumbledore.html
    It has a lot of links for Dumbledore and Snape clues too!

    April 1, 2007

  • Reply ›
    fred

    thank you very much Lindsay, I just browse it it seem to be very interesting and as you say full of clues. So I will give a carefull look at it and I will post comments.

    April 2, 2007

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    chris

    fred, no need to upset u but dumbledore is dead j.k admitted it in an interview and apologised to people at dumbledoreisnotdead.com for ruining the purpose of they'e website. So I would take her word for it

    April 2, 2007

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    fred

    Boooooooooohhhhh!! Chris you ruined my day , just kidding!
    well we know that if she says so,it means that he is technically dead; But we assume that he will appear through his portrait or any other charm to advice Harry etc it is a kid book for god sake!!! let us be happy in a nice world! so yes he will reappear but not in an alive way so she is right when she says he is dead.
    But if he is really dead would it changes the all theory of snape being good? well no it would definatly make him the good guy in the eyes of LV for better defeat him. I guess dumbledore has done like nicolas flamel, decides to die at the moment he wanted. As we had seen he could have defended himself in many ways possible but he didnt purposely.

    April 2, 2007

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    Lindsay

    yea JK Rowling has said that she "needs to be more specific and say that he is definitely dead"...so yes that means he is dead. But you're right, Harry will probably get some guidance from Dumbledore, someway, somehow, such as the portrait

    April 2, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    dumbledore needs to be alive as the guy who played him in the first 2 and is now dead, sir richard harris, stated somewhere he had already signed up for all seven, or wanted to be in all of them. this shows that dumbledores carachter is still going to be involved somehow in the 7th book and make an appearance. so thats my opinion agaiin.

    April 2, 2007

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    Andrew

    can u find out where he said that cause id like to read it to believe u

    April 3, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    http://72.14.235.104/...038;ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=au

    Harris Fights Cancer in Time to Join 'Potter'
    16 October 2002 (WENN)
    Irish actor Richard Harris has confirmed reports he is suffering from cancer - but is determined to beat it before returning to the Harry Potter film set next year. The veteran star, 72, has been undergoing chemotherapy in London's University College Hospital since August after being diagnosed with Hodgkin's Disease. His agent says, "He has responded very, very well to treatment and he should be out of hospital soon." Harris is determined to reprise his role as Professor Albus Dumbledore in the third installment of the Jk Rowling adaptation, The Prisoner Of Azkaban. His agent adds, "He absolutely will be in Harry Potter. Filming is not due to start until March."

    Harris: Money Is The Real Magic
    2 October 2001 (StudioBriefing)
    Veteran actor Richard Harris has acknowledged that he originally turned down offers to appear in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, a film which many analysts are predicting will turn out to be the biggest moneymaker of the year. In an interview with the online site Showbiz Ireland, Harris, who plays the headmaster of the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry in the film, remarked: "All I knew is that they kept offering me the role. And the more I turned them down the more money they offered me."

    Richard Harris Backs Out Of Harry Potter
    7 November 2001 (WENN)
    Veteran actor Richard Harris is keeping his cards close to his chest over starring in any more Harry Potter films - because he's afraid of commitment. The 71-year-old plays headmaster Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter And The Sorcerer's Stone, but insists he won't stay around for the next six books in J.K. Rowling's acclaimed series. He gripes, "I hate commitment of any kind - that's why I've got two ex-wives. It scares me. The idea that I would have to do seven films, that intimidates me. I'm rebellious by nature and find commitment difficult to handle, but while I was floating all this around my family, my granddaughter said that if I didn't play Dumbledore she would never speak to me again. So I had no choice."

    but i still believe that he said somewhere he was planning to do all 7 films. i know this sounds contradictory but i am still sure even after the qoutes above. i'm sorry if any of you are percieving me as a liar or similar,his is not true and if i can't find proof then i will admit i was wrong and nothing more.

    April 3, 2007

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    Ben

    Personally I think that Dumbledore will definitely be in the next book. I also think he is 100% dead ... but there are plenty of ways that he could appear (penseive, flashback, painting/ photo etc)

    April 3, 2007

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    Lindsay

    i agree Ben

    April 3, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    ye no doubt he'll appear and have an influence on harry, hermione, and ron but idk yet. i'm up to pg50~ in Ootp.

    April 5, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    k picked up an error iin book 4 at the very end. you know the horses that takes the carriages up to the castle form the train station, well if you can only see them when you have seen someone die (i think the horses are called threstles) then shouldn't harry have been able to see them, and yet in the text it states the cinvisible pulled carriages or something. if anyone can just back me up on this it'd be great thanks.

    April 5, 2007

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    Lindsay

    oh wow mikedagr8, great observation in your post 725, yes that is true that Harry SHOULD be able to see them after seeing Cedric die

    April 5, 2007

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    Nancy

    RE: #710-- I just came up with a weird connection that Fred didn't mean, but when your mind links two disparate ideas... "explosions" and "twins".
    What about Fred and George Weasley and their experiments? I suddenly wondered, will they create some sort of "secret weapon" for the final battle with Voldemort? They've been developing stuff for ages, and they did sell that Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder to Draco which he used while helping the Death Eaters into Hogwarts. I suddenly thought that Weasleys Wizard Wheezes might not be the be-all/end-all of their offbeat genius. The repeated references to "secret weapon" in OotP, while it turned out to mean the prophecy ball, might actually be foreshadowing a genuine secret weapon in Deathly Hallows, and who better to invent something totally screwy that really works than the twins?

    April 5, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    I think in book 6 when Harry went to harid hut to get slughorn's memory, Hagrid sang about a great Wizard who died and was buried with his wand, whic I think was a custom but J.K. does not say anyting about dumbledore's wand being buried with him in book 6.

    April 6, 2007

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    Lindsay

    yeah it's strange that whatever happened to Dumbledore's wand...is never mentioned

    April 6, 2007

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    chris

    mayb dumbledore does have a philosopher stone bcos he is flamel's best friend so possibly they could've been two

    April 6, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    no that's not possible as it was destroyed (there is only one if you look at folklore) chris, and i don't think dumbledore would have made another one.

    April 6, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    also with the horses, i think it is only possible to see them or JKR contradicts herself and i'm sure if she read this she would agree; that you need to be conciously aware of somenone's death, otherwise harry should see them in the first book, as he has seen his parents die(or at least his mum).

    April 6, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    oh on R.A.B. whoever found the locket needed to know Voldemort personally as the locket was found inside a cave where he grew up and did stuff (haven't gotten up to book 6 yet, on page 200 of OotP). so i doubt it is regulus balck, so it may be someone who was in slytherin and was around his age? who knows? JKR does!

    April 6, 2007

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    Lindsay

    yeah maybe the reason Harry didn't see the thestrals at the end of book 4 is because Cedric's death hadn't really sunk in yet

    April 6, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Maybe you have to be a witness to the death of someone very close to you, someone you love a lot.

    April 7, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    no that doesn't make sense, harry didn't love cedric

    April 7, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Damn I confused myself, I though Harry saw thestralls after his godfathers death.

    April 7, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    nope soz, can u reply on other forum too shaikh

    April 7, 2007

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    Lindsay

    lol, Harry saw the thestrals after Cedric's death. Maybe the reason Harry didn't see the thestrals immediately after Cedric's death because t it took awhile for it to really sink in because he was so traumatized...

    I can definitely remember there being an explanation of this somewhere in the book (either in the 4th or 5th) or either JK Rowling explained it somewhere!

    April 7, 2007

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    chris

    u see thestrals wen the death sinks in. Mayb wen every1 was tlking bout harry that was untrue and harry knew every1 didn't take his word for voldemort coming back but saw cedric's dead body, so that means its proof.

    April 8, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    im not getting u chris, im saying that we don't necessarily know that harry saw his mum die(or dad) it never states, we just know they die so we assume as harry can't see threstals. but with cedric im saying maybe he wasn't conciously aware of what happened and was too (what ever emotion you like) to notice them, and as lindsay kindly pointed out most likely didn't sink in, otherwise this is an error as harry should be able to see them instantly.

    April 8, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    The US coverart is the most wierd, there are no wands and neither voldemort or harry are looking at the other, they seem to be, dare I say, working together.
    The UK childrens version is even more confusing if someone wants to use the coverart to deduce the theme of the 7th book. And is it someone holding Gryffindore's sword, maybe ron !!?? NO, if you see carefully there are two hands one on harry's right shoulder, whoever that is, he/she is holding the sword in its other hand. And the trio seem to be either lunging to grab onto something or its like those Tom and Jerry cartoons when the bathroom tap is open with the door closed the water fills up to the ceiling and when someone opens the door the water rushes out in a wave, here the water seems to have been replaced by a treasure, they are riding a treasure wave !?. Or has one of the horcrux been stashed away within a treasure cave or something. Cant make any sense out of any of the art work.

    April 9, 2007

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    Lindsay

    wow that's very strange, cool though... it doesn't make sense to me either...

    April 9, 2007

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    Nico

    whats the difference in the children and adult book

    April 10, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    The most visible difference is the setting, reading at beyond hogwarts, a article written by David Haber is quite interesting.
    http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/...-book-by-its-cover.html

    April 10, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Also in the US Adult coverart Harry is wearing a medallion.

    April 10, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Either that or its the Locket destroyed by RAB.

    April 10, 2007

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    Nancy

    #743-- I think the hand on Harry's shoulder and the hand holding the sword both belong to Dobby. You can see part of his head and an ear sticking out from behind Harry, if you look closely. I had to go to the Beyond Hogwarts link to see the photo up close (it's HUGE) to pin down those details, but if it's not Dobby, it would have to be Kreacher, and there's NO WAY he'd get his hands on that sword!!!

    April 10, 2007

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    Nancy

    Went back and clicked to enlarge the image again for the children's cover, and the blue items at the bottom are pieces of a suit of armor--the body part for chest and back are on the left, the helmet is on the right. Both pieces are featured so prominently they MUST have some significance.
    Taken altogether, the items featured on the cover seem to echo the description of the jumble of items described in the Room of Requirement as it appears when people hide objects. That room is too good NOT to come into play once again. Wonder what they'll FIND in there???!

    April 10, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    The room of requirement idea is good.

    April 11, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    yeh with the cover it seams that they are been flung out like on a slide and then everything is coming with them? but i don't know so it could be like a teleport or something?

    April 11, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    also with the american cover the thing hanging around harry's neck if you look closely (i actually photoshop'ed it) is the same shape as the UK adult version? so what's the connection and is it the locket which is a horcrux?

    April 11, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Maybe harry is using accio and voldemort is stopping him or maybe harry is calling for fawkes.

    April 12, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Heard the pottercast from leaky cauldron and this is their stuff :
    Hufflepuffs cup in that UK children's edition.
    Also all jems are ruby's.
    The robe's they are wearing is probably from Fluer's wedding.
    Probably in a ancient rune, a subject which Hermoine has being talking about a last few books.
    Some of mine : Are the ruby's they the philosopher's stone('S) ??!
    Green and purple robe's and Green and purple bottle's

    April 12, 2007

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    Nancy

    Any chance Harry and Voldemort have BOTH been Expelliarmused?

    April 13, 2007

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    Nancy

    Back to Fred's #697-- Near the end, you commented about Snape possibly seeing Dumbledore as a father figure. I've often wondered about that myself. If we go by what Harry viewed during Occlumency when his mind connected with Snape's, and we assumed it was a glimpse of Snape's parents, it doesn't look like Snape had a good role model in his father, i.e. someone who had good values Snape could look up to and emulate. Dumbledore would have provided quite a contrast to Tobias Snape-- maybe Snape finally learned from the man who was willing to give him a second chance. If Snape did look to Dumbledore as a father figure (or, at the very least, as a mentor), then both Harry and Snape have suffered similar losses. It might provide the basis for some sort of a bond between them, IF they can ever work past all the other issues in their past!

    April 13, 2007

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    Pratik

    i think that if that is kreacher (back to nancy's suggestion about the cover)...maybe hes using the sword to maybe kill harry from behind...i dunno..but i think harry may die in this book

    April 15, 2007

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    Abi

    hey ,, just a random thought i don't think anybody else has mentioned but what if dumbledore has a horcrux he has many things in his study that would be appropaitate and he is a very powerful wisord and i also believe that he may have one because he needed to understand them in greater detail in order to understand voldermorts thinking and what he has done. Also as it has been said many great books the hero comes back and this is a way of it happening. i am also thing about the RAB thig well we don't know the first name of bborgin, we know curakturus burke, who works there now but dumboldore said it was stared with partner and hints at it they were the there when riddle worked there and we have no idea of his first name as it is never mentioned but i do believe he is a valubule option, anybody agree or diagree??? i'd love to hear !!!

    April 15, 2007

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    Abi

    i know most people are talking about the actual story line and plot on this site but was anybody disapionted with the cave scene in book 6 i felt that jk was a bit down on her usaul standards all these ways of how to get rid of the liquid, e.g. tip glasses on to floor instaead of drinking i just don't think it had the depth of other scences e.g. ministry of magic d.o.m was reallly deep all options explored!!!! also has anybody noticed her books are very patened normally only one big event with voldemort normally near the end, if we are still working on our therories why not say all of the horcruxes are gone all harry needs to do or "the good side " is just to finish voldie off !!!!!! anyone???....

    April 15, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    ye i agree wit hthe idea of not tipping in the liquid onto the floor, but when dumbledore says it cannot be transfiguered (changing of shape) i think he also tried to move it out of the place. also i think that it wouldn't have worked on the floor because why wasn't he able to summon water and drink then. no it was set up like that. and on the RAB thing i think it was a powerful wizard who was able to bring a house elf or similar (another creature) to drink the stuff!!! anyone's thoughts?

    April 16, 2007

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    Abi

    yeh kool idea about having a slave drink the stuff but how would he know what was coming, if he was like dumboldore he woud of had a inclinge and not able to toattlly prepare all angles !!!

    April 16, 2007

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    Abi

    yeh kool idea about having a slave drink the stuff but how would he know what was coming, if he was like dumboldore he woud of had a inclinge and not able to toattlly prepare all angles !!! any other ideas???

    April 16, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Could be that the curse placed by voldy was a different one and RAB knowing that voldy would probaly come alone to reclaim the houcrux put such a curse that it requires atleast 2 to handle it.

    April 17, 2007

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    Abie gangro

    I think RAB somehow connects to Amelia Bones who got killed in Book 6. It was just a passing mention but I do not think that author makes any references just for the sake of fun.

    April 17, 2007

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    Lindsay

    OH WOW- so I'm a member of another Harry Potter forum and someone posted an EXTREMELY INTERESTING post, but I don't want to re-post it here since it's NOT my work...(plus it's not about Dumbledore but I think anyone who is interested in Harry Potter should read it!!!)

    so here is the link to it:

    http://www.cosforums.com/...ead.php?t=94457&page=11

    once you go to that site, scroll down to post number 219 (by doug_rogers)

    ...I hope this is not true.... that would be the weirdest thing ever...

    April 17, 2007

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    Abi

    one thing i just realised, if RAB stole the horcrux wouldn't the liquid be gone? maybe he canged something eg adding goblet !!!! what was that all about if the liquid refilled itself noone would ever be able to get to the botom!!!! lol :)

    April 17, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    nice point abi, maybe he made something similar but not the same so the next person to check(even voldemort) wouldn't know for sure, until they got the locket open. or maybe it refilled when the door was opened from the inside again?

    April 18, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    @766: I think its an awesome theory, it leaves the room for Harry either getting over the other souls and defeating them with love in his soul or being overcome and defeated by someone else, in anycase I dont want to be reading the climax of the last book thinking that it was theorised two months back, so I hope this isnt true.

    April 18, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    By the way, here's the original link,

    http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=1988

    April 18, 2007

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    Abi

    OMG #770 IS SOOO GOOODDDD i really hope its not true but its such a good idea !!!!!!! but that would take alot of indepth explaining could jk fit it into 1000 pages (thats how long she has said the 7th book will be , new york interveiw) but dark harry thats something i have never heard before !!!!!!!wowwowwowwowwow xD

    April 18, 2007

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    mikedagr8

    maybe with RAb not having someone else came in once, saw what was there, and then returned. this is most likely i think.

    April 18, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Abi, it was posted by Lindsay on 766 I just gave the other link.

    April 19, 2007

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    alexa

    going back to the horcruxes
    lily and james potter lived in godric's hollow. gryffindor's first name was godric... and even though the only known relic of gryffindor's was the sword in dumbledore's office, i think that the name godric's hollow isn't a coincidence. and seeing as this is the place where harry's parents were murdered I think this place has a lot of significance, i just don't know what yet

    April 19, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    More on 766, maybe the bond which harry creates by visiting his aunt every year is to prevent Voldemort's soul in him to overtake the love in harry's soul.

    April 19, 2007

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    Edward the Great

    Hmm, i was wondering about that gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. I had completely forgotten about Dumbledore's little trinket but following this article am reading and listening to all six books for clues of what Dumbledore means by essence divided, the obvious answer would be his horcruxes, but it seems unlikely that he would have needed to consult his smokey thing as he knew about them since The Chamber of Secrets atleast. Perhaps it was one horcrux, Nagini? I do not have time right now to read everyone elses comments so please forgive me if this has already been said. I will get back to you as soon as possible with anything I discover from my reading.

    April 19, 2007

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    Lindsay

    number 775- Shaikh Imran- that is a brilliant theory!!!!

    April 19, 2007

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    chris

    i think the theory on 766 is possible as it has evidence 2 back it up so...

    April 20, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Also this line in a chapter in The Order of the Phoenix where Harry tells Dumbledore that Mr. Weasley has been attacked and says, “I was the snake, I saw it from the snake’s point of view.” In the following pages this particular line pops up, >>“Naturally, Naturally,” muttered Dumbledore apparently to himself, still observing the stream of smoke without the slightest sign of surprise. “But in essence divided?”

    April 20, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Some part of the last post didn't get posted for some reason so here's the continuation >>
    So is this event with harry (where he sees through the eye's of a horcrux) confirm dumbledore's fear that harry could possibly be a horcrux with two souls within him, but in essence divided.

    April 20, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Some part of the last post didn't get posted for some reason so here's the continuation.
    So is this event with harry (where he sees through the eye's of a horcrux) confirm dumbledore's fear that harry could possibly be a horcrux with two souls within him, but in essence divided.

    April 20, 2007

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    emzie

    i believe that ahrry might be a horcrux and that he would have to kill himself for voldormort to die, but however voldermort is extremely powerful and with harry dead who will kill him? i also think that dumbledore also made a horcrux because he has been alive for many years. In book five (the order of the pheonix) serious black went into the veil but he didn't necerserily die him is supposed to be in the seventh book according to rumours so he could come back as harry's memory in the pensieve or harry could have found away to get him out or perhaps serious found away out this seems ot likely but could have happened i also think that severus snape will help harry but still pretend to be a death eater. I think that the DA are prepared to fight with harry till the end especially neville considering his parents were tortured, i also think professor lupin, ron, and hermione will be killed because voldermort is tryin to destroy harry by killing every 1 he cares about. This what i think some people might disagree

    April 20, 2007

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    Abi

    #781 i think the real question is what does jk mean by essence?

    April 20, 2007

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    Lindsay

    yeah that passage has always confused me...since finding out about the horcruxes I think it has something to do with them

    April 20, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    We will have to see if the word essence has been used at any other time in the book's and in what context, that could shed some light on its meaning in dumbledore's words.

    April 21, 2007

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    Abi

    doesn't jk word her stories to perfection !!!!!!!!!!!

    April 21, 2007

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    emzie

    In the past years, I agree that harry has become less sweet, after he found out who he was and about his parents he wanted to kill voldermort, this made him angry. In the 2nd book the chamber of secrets he was angry that he thought that hagrid opened the chamer 50 years a go but when he found out it was tom riddle who opened the chamber and had ginny dieing in there harry was determined to kil voldermort (tom riddle). He also found out the her was a parstletougne. A year later there was sirius, harry new i mean thought that sirius betrayed his parents that made him want to kill sirius, Book 4, the goblet of fire he came face to face with voldermort,harry has suffered so much from the past years all because of voldermort, this made him so agree that he was sure that he would do any thing to kill voldermort, however he didn't kill him. Cedric died this made harry see the threstrals.
    In the 5th book harry was happier to be with sirius again however later on i the book he didn't want to talk or be with anyone after he saw Mr weasleys attack because he thought hewas possessed. The history of mahic test harry fell asleep and he thought that sirius was being tortured by Voldermort, harry was so stressed after tis he wet to the department of mysteries with ginny, neville,hermione, ron and luna they althought against the death eaters, then harry found te prohosie, harry and the others were early defeated by the death eaters and mad-eye moody,tonks, lupin, sirius, and dumbledore come to the rescue then bellatrix killed sirius and once again harry became angry and wanted to kill her.
    Baxk at dumbledores office harry said that he had "ENOUGH" which is saying that he wanted to die.
    Harry wated to be alone and he hated peopes company. Harry is becoming more like Voldermort every year.
    In the 6th dumbledore was murdered by snape.
    Harry nearly killed malfoy and also he tried to kill snape.
    What if harry has lost the ones he loved the most and no longer could love again, what if voldermort killed the ones he was close to such as the weasleys, hargrid, and lupin what if harry became evil and no loger cared that he wanted to kill and in doing it would break the protection and voldermort could kill him.
    I dont think its a coviencedence that we haven't forgotte about his parents, sirius and dumble there has been a reason why everyoe of them have been killed and jk rowling has already said theres going to be more deaths all of them who are close to harry what if it was a trap, Its just a theory it ight not happed

    April 21, 2007

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    chris

    i don't think voldemort will be planning a mass murder on the people that harry's feels loved by. All those people e.g lupin, the weasleys and the rest of the order and extremely good wizards and witches and i doubt they'll all be killed

    April 22, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    Though you have to agree that in every book Harry gets even more emotionally volatile.

    April 22, 2007

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    emzie

    This is what i think will happen in the 7th book:

    1)Harry, ron and hermione will find all the horcruxes, and try to defeat voldemort
    2)Some of harry's closest friends will die
    3) Ginny, ron, hermione, nevil, and Luna will al help harry in the final battle
    4) Harry finds out why his mum and dad were so rich.
    5) snape will help harry
    6) Harry will die trying to kill Voldemort
    7) Harry will kill bellatrix
    8) Voldemort will kill malfoy
    9) There will be another mass breakout from azkaban
    10) sirius is not and will find away out of the veil, then he will go look for harry but on the way he finds out harry is deaad therefore serius will die for really in the battle between him and voldemort.
    11) Nevil kills lord voldemort.

    April 22, 2007

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    Nico

    Ok this is kinda subtle and off topic, but has anyone thoguht that it is good that the Durslys treat Harry so bad?
    If Hagrid came to the house on the island in the first book, and Harry had been spoiled to the point of having a putrid personality such as Dudly, than Harry would have never wanted to go to Hogwarts. and if he did, he would have no friends because he was such a brat.

    April 22, 2007

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    emzie

    right people omg!! apparently accordig to jk rowlings site remus lupin is goin to be killed!!!!

    April 22, 2007

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    Lindsay

    emzie where do u see that? i'm on the website right now but can't find it...!

    April 22, 2007

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    em

    heya, right i just remebered something from the first book the TPS, in the ook during christmas doesn't harry get a invisiblity cloak, its come with a not which say " Your father left me this in my possesion right before he died, i think it is time it is returned to you, use it well "
    I also remember when snape was threatining quirrel that snape reached put for something.
    Just resently i have heard a rumour that someone was at the death of lily and james potter under an invisiblity cloak.
    If the rumour is true this could of been snape, He could of went to warn lily ad james knew what was gon to happen so he gave snape the invisiblity cloak right before there death.
    I dont thin this is likely ut i still think in the 7th ook we are going to fid out who gave harry the invisiblity cloak.

    April 22, 2007

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    chris

    @789 Shaikh Imran- yeh i guess harry does get more emotional every year but the last few killings cedric and sirius were dumbledore's fault. If dumbledore didn't persuade the ministry into having the trwizard tournament re-installed. The cause of sirius' death is because of the weapon that dumbledore wanted to protect. Mayb in the sixth book he asked snape to kill him bcos he couldn't live with the guilt of mayb being the cause of the death of more of harry's friends.

    April 23, 2007

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    Shaikh Imran

    @795 - I think its already acertianed that Dumbledore gave harry the cloak, and since the cloak was given to dumbledore by harry's father the only thing left to know I why did he give it to dumbledore ("Your father left it in my possesion, it is time I returned it to you", is what out of memory I think the letter said in a Long and twisting writing which we see again in the latter book when dumbledore sends harry a message on a paper about some lesson.)
    @796 - I dont think that dumbledore is responsible for sirius's death, afterall the Order went to the ministry to protect harry and the other students who went there in the first place because harry saw sirius being tortured by voldemort.

    April 23, 2007

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    em

    it has never been proven that dumbledore gave harry the cloak remember dumbledore is/was a very good ligimecy person so he probably new harry was there under the cloak because he read his mind, so by that i mean that dumbledore didn't necerserrily gave harry the cloak so it is not certain of anything yet!!!
    to 796
    you no in the 5th book when harry was in dumbledore's office after sirius's death, well dumbledore began to explain that it was his fault that sirius was dead (dumbledore's) well i never reall understood that he was explaining that it was his fault but it was sounding more like it was harry's fault

    April 23, 2007

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    em

    i.e dumbledore theory
    I believe that dumbledore is dead. I know that i dont want him to be. Anyway this is my theory.
    Dumbledore is a very powerful wizard everyone knows that this may e why the avarda kardvra curse had different effects on him. Well i remember somewhere reading, the phrase "the ones we love never really leave us" so i think this means that lily, james, dumbledore, and sirius are dead but are not gone. I think everything one of these will have a ver important role in the deathy hallows.
    Theory two- i.e snape
    I no this is a little off toppic but i think that snape is not evil, this is why in the T.P.S he tryed to stop voldemort returning to power, in the O.O.T.P he helped harry nd in the H.B.P he gave harry advice, He's had six years to kill harry. BUT HE DIDN'T, why because he didn't want to. Don't you think that voldemort would give snape some special award for killing or bringing harry to voldemort.
    theory 3 - i.e death eaters
    I no this is also off topic but dont death eaters call voldemort "the dark lord" well i believe snape called him that in the O.O.T.P. But anyway beallatrix has be claimed to be the only women death eater, But i thought that narcissa malfoy's mum was 1????
    Bellatrix is pain evil i h8 her she killed her own cousin!!!!!! And she didn't even show n e signs of regret it think she's voldemorts "favourite" because she will kill anyone am sure she probably kill narcissa as well. Anyway death eaters a basically servents lyk dobby and kreacher.
    Anyway is malfoys mum a death eater???????
    Theory 4 - i.e voldemort
    i think that harry will have to defeat voldemort by love. But then i started to think all this hatred for muggleborns was because of his mother merope if you think about it. Well i thought that riddle hated his father for leaving his mother when he was pregant wouldn't this mean that he love his mum, or is it just me who thinks that. Also in the grave yard he called the death eaters "my friends" but i thought that he didn't have friends? Oh and also i had another theory that slughorn could have been a deatheater because he sed that the dark lord wanted him to switch sides or something like that but then wouldn't he of killed r forced slughorn to joined yet slughorn doesn't seem to well come to any harm. So i think it might even be possible that slughon is one of voldemorts spies and spies o harry.

    April 23, 2007

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    abi

    has anyone seen the new childhood cover of harry potter , it looks like lots ofd silver and gold pots, jewles this made me think of gringots anyone else got an idea ???

    April 23, 2007

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    Nancy

    #766 Lindsay-- Thanks for that fascinating link!!! I only found one problem with it: the progression is logical, EXCEPT for the fact that DUMBLEDORE destroyed the ring horcrux himself, so there's no way that Harry could absorb that 1/7 part of Voldemort's soul. I think the person who originally came up with the idea overlooked that aspect! (I overlooked it myself, the first time I read through it, because the idea as a whole was so incredible!) But thanks again for giving us a glimpse at someone's deep thinking-- I'd never been on that site. so I would have missed the opportunity to read it, if not for you!

    April 23, 2007

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