Harry Potter Conspiracy Theories #4
June 24, 2007 | Harry Potter
My Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory posts have gotten ridiculously popular, all receiving over 500 comments - a couple getting close to 1000. So I thought I would have one last attempt at coming up with Potter related theories.
Actually that’s a bit of a fib, I’m not going to be coming up with any. What I intend to do is write down my thoughts based upon the vast swathes of comments that have been posted on here over the last couple of years, picking out what I think are the most interesting.

RAB IS Regulus Black
There is pretty much no point having this discussion anymore. The fact that the RAB initials are different in each language, each time the B being replaced with the letter that starts the respective countries word for Black, is more than enough proof for me. Let’s move on shall we?
Dumbledore
Dumbledore IS dead. No question there. Rowling has said so and I don’t think she would lie. However I do think that we will see him again, whether in a photo, a painting, the pensieve or through some other method - he is bound to make an appearance.
One comment caught my attention though. The idea that Snape was killing Dumbledore at the end of the book was actually a false hood. Snape didn’t kill anyone, because Dumbledore was already dead!
The theory basically goes that Dumbledore died between books 5 and 6, at the same time as he received his blackened hand. Snape kept him alive (I will teach you how to put a stopper on death), and the argument Harry hears between Snape and Dumbledore is Dumbledore telling Snape he does not need any more of the death stopping potion.
Deathly Hallows
I haven’t seen much discussion on here regarding the Deathly Hallows, but when I posted about the Deathly Hallows release date there was one comment that caught my eye.
It seems to point to an appearance of at least some of the characters previously killed off (namely Sirius) since hallows in defined as “the Oct. 31 Greater Sabbat, also called November Eve, the Celtic Samhain (â€sow-enâ€); the beginning of the Celtic winter, and of the Celtic year; the beginning of the Witches’ Year, when the Veil Between the Worlds grows thin and the spirits of the dead may return to Earth; the Descent of the Goddess to the Underworld; the final Harvest festival.â€
Unfortunately I’ve not found anything to back this up but if it’s true then it brings up some interesting questions. For example the veil between the worlds could very very easily be the veil in the Ministry of magic through which Sirius fell, and if it grows thin… maybe we could see Sirius again?
Interestingly, according to Wikipedia, the book title is slightly different in Swedish and in Japanese due to issues with translation.
Harry Potter and the Relics of Death, which in Swedish is rendered as Harry Potter och dödsrelikerna. Japan also experienced difficulties translating the title and used the alternate title, too. Translated from Japanese, the title is: “Harry Potter and the Secret Treasure of Death”
I think based on the new titles there are others things we could be talking about here. The best explanation for the title I can find is on the Deathly Hallows Wikipedia page.
Horcruxes - Is Harry the last?
Not entirely convinced about this one but it’s not beyond the realms of possibility. I just don’t like the idea… can’t explain why, it just doesn’t seem right to me.
Other questions…
Below I’ve listed a few other things I think may be worth talking about.
- Wormtail - He owes Harry for saving his life (Sirius and Remus wanted to give Wormtail to the Dementors) is he going to return the favor?
- The smashed mirror - I don’t know if this is significant or not. Some say that this is supposed to represent Harry ridding himself of connections with his only living relative, but I wonder if there is more to it. The mirror itself was only mentioned briefly, then forgotten about so why bring it up at the end of the book if it had no real importance. I am firmly of the belief that JK has done everything for a reason, so am waiting for the mirror to be explained.
- Fawkes - The phoenix is clearly still alive since we see him at Dumbledores funeral. I’m sure he has a part to play in things, especially since Phoenix (what’s the plural of phoenix?) have the ability of rebirth…
- Graveyard I don’t remember it being mentioned in the books before, but do remember a quote from a documentary about one of the films (Prisoner of Azkhaban I think) where they said they couldn’t add a graveyard because JK had plans for it elsewhere…
So what do you think?
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June 24, 2007
“Harry Potter and the Relics of Death”, thats interesting, is she (J.K.) talking about the horcruxe’s. Deathly Hallow’s, hallowed is something which is blessed, i think, Deathly Hallow’s, the blessed belongings of the founders of Hogwarts have been turned into something evil. Also the “relic”and “treasure” comming in some of the translation’s, we see quite a few of them in the cover photos of the book in one of the editions.
June 24, 2007
WII first!!
well nice summing up:)
just got one thing to add.. the graveyard, couldnt it be the graveyard from HP&GoF ? a graveyard is quite important there
June 24, 2007
I did consider the graveyard from GoF but don’t think that is the one she meant. I’m sure they said it would be a graveyard in the Hogwarts grounds, and would guess it is related to Dumbledores death.
June 24, 2007
hmm yea ur right it could be dumbledors grave she refered to. but then i dont think its so important, atleast not for the plot
June 24, 2007
firstly, in the cover for the Deathly Hallows, it looks sort of like Harry and Voldy are both reaching for someing or trying to summon something…maybe.
About the mirror from sirius. I was thinking, maybe there are more than one, and the fact that it is cracked could mean multiple frames, like multiple mirrors.
Finally, about Fawkes. It talks about how when harry hears the song, he feels refreshed and that could be usefull in the destined fight against Voldemort.
June 24, 2007
“Horcruxes - Is Harry the last?” I think it’s quite possible, when Voldmort was brought back to life Wormtail had to extract blood from Harry, and after that Voldmort said that “know” he was powerful than ever. I think in that moment Harry was turned to be the seven Horcrux of Voldmort…but of course is my point of view…
June 24, 2007
I still am not convinced R.A.B. is Regulus I don’t know it just doesn’t fit for me.
I think the title ‘Deathly Hallows’ is directly reffering to the Horcruxes it makes perfect sense. In an earlier post you mentioned slytherin’s locket [the horcrux] and the big locket none of them could open at Grimmauld Place, I think it is very possible that it could be one and the same but if it is then I also think that it is no longer a horcrux. Dumbledore severely injured himself when he touched Marvolo’s ring so I don’t think they all would have been able to touch it without injury.
I’m not sure why but I think Snape is good.
I think that the argument in the forest was about Snape killing Dumbledore, as Dumbledore undoubtedly knew he would have to in the end. Dumbledore knew of what Draco had been assigned to do and I’m sure Snape told him, hoping beyond hope for a way around it. Dumbledore was not afraid to die, I think [if I am right] that in book 7 Harry will have to deal with his hatred of Snape as Snape will be someone who can help him kill Voldemort. I could be completely off on this but I felt like mentioning it.
I also think there are more pressing reasons for Snape’s turn to good despite the murder of Harry’s parents.
June 25, 2007
I don’t think Harry could be a Horcrux, as Voldemart couldn’t stay in Harry in the fight at the ministry. Harry has too much love in him for anything of Voldy’s to be able to stay there.
I just reread the last book. When Dumbledore is on the table, and it starts closing up the sides, a Phoenix comes out of Dumbledore. Does Dumbledore have a Horcrux in his Phoenix? Interesting.
June 25, 2007
I think the last horcruxe is the Sorting hat. It belonged to Grifendor….and obviously a powerful artifact.
June 25, 2007
Harry Potter is SOOOO the last horcrux.
June 25, 2007
@5: Yes they seem to be accioing something, but without screaming the spell i.e. just thinking about the spell, I don’t remember what that method is called.
June 25, 2007
has there been any consideration of the unknown horcrux to be Gryfindor’s Sword? it was a first thought because of dumbledores guess at the horcrux being a possesion of ravenclaw or gryfindor, but i dont think its too obvious cause most people would dismiss the possibility of it being gryfindors. although i dont think how dumbledore got the sword was ever mentioned, so that would be an argument against it cause JKR leaves clues.
June 25, 2007
@6: if harry should turn out to be the last horcrux, i just have one question:
why the heck would voldemort try to kill off one of his horcruxes through out all of the series?? doesnt make sence to me..
@9: the sorting hat is NOT a horcrux, JR said so herself read: http://www.jkrowling.com/en/th...
her argument is: horcruxes doesnt draw attention to themselfs infront of large audiences.
June 25, 2007
Harry is not a horcrux Thats just ridiculous, he would know it, you can’t have a piece of someones soul in you and not know somethings up. Besides when Harry asked about making animals horcruxes Dumbledore said it wouldn’t be very smart to give a piece of your soul to something that could move and think for itself.
I aslo don’t think Dumbledore made a horcrux. It is highly advanced dark magic and I just don’t see why he would have done that. Besides he didn’t seem to be in favor of it, Slughorn said it was a banned subject and Dumbledore was particularly fierce about it.
I think there are 3 remaining Horcruxes left to be destroyed.
Nagini.
something of ravenclaw’s.
the cup.
I think Harry should try and find the locket to verify it has been destroyed but I don’t think it is still a horcrux.
June 25, 2007
@6: The reason Voldemort was more powerful than ever was because now the charms that were in Harry’s blood were in his. Meaning that they protected him as well. And I’m pretty sure turning something/someone into a horcrux is more complicated than cutting their arm. I agree with 8 if Harry was made a horcrux I think it would have been destroyed by all the love inside him.
June 25, 2007
i’ve read this on a forum elsewhere but never found any answers it refers to the mouth organ that voldemort had as a child,harry tought it was a horcrux but dumbledore says ‘after all the mouth organ was only even a mouth organ’ then it is never mentioned again and we are left to linger does this mean that dumbledore has done research into’s voldemorts past that he wasnt able to tell him b4his death ? will we ever find out is meaning ? what are your thoughts????
June 25, 2007
I don’t really think that Dumbledore could come back alive, BUT…his animal that he is always related to is a Pheonix, and a Pheonix is reborn from its ashes. When the sides of Dumbledores tomb are closing, a pheonix flies out. Could Dumbledore be an animagus?
I think it’s probable that Dumbledore already inspected Voldemorts old toys, but then why mention it.
June 25, 2007
I don’t know why but the Dumbledore being dead already is very significant. He did in fact trust Snape and Dumbledore’s trust is not easily misplaced. I cried when he died in book 6 but I never gave that any thought and was wondering about his hand the entire book because it is mentioned alot. And then Slughorn coming on as Potions master. Why not 2 potions masters to put a stopper on death, and both that have inexorable ties to Voldemort and Tom Riddle. I still believe that Neville has some part to play in the grand sceme of things. I don’t know why just call it a hunch. I know he is not the chosen one but love in fact kept Harry alive before why not Neville’s love and compassion coming in handy. I hope the death of Ron or Hermione never come to pass but one never knows. I never saw Serious’s death coming. Anyway. Enjoy and I love all the ideas. And here’s a thought on Harry being a Horcrux, has he spoken parseltoungue since the graveyard in GOF?
June 25, 2007
#1. Harry is not a horcrux.
I don’t think harry is a horcrux. It takes a lot of concentration and skill to make a horcrux, and voldy didn’t have time to do it when he tried to kill Harry. Plus, if harry was a horcrux, voldy’d know, so why would he be trying to kill him all the time?
#2. R.A.B. is definately Regulus, there’s no doubt. The locket in 12 is definately the horcrux.
#3. The Horcrux’s are,
1. The diary
2. the locket
3. Nagini
4. the ring
5. hufflepuff’s cup
6. whatever brought him back after he died in sorcerer’s stone
7. something we’ll never see. (Something had to bring him back when he died attacking harry!)
#4. Snape, NOT HARRY’S FATHER!
Self explanitory, obviously he wouldn’t look like james with Lilly’s eyes if Snape was his dad, unless Snape and James are the same person! (Just Kidding!)
#5. The Maurauder’s were not in slytherin.
Hagrid didn’t say that every wizzard that went bad was in slytherin, Ron did! lol, but he probably meant that just about every wizzard is slytherin is bad.
#6. Dumbledore’s dead!
There’s no denying in. Dumbledore is dead, the only way we will see him again is if he’s in a photo, his portrait in the headmaster’s office, and, possibly, as a ghost. (Nothing in the books say that someone hit with the avada kadava curse won’t create a ghost.)
June 26, 2007
Harry has been a parseltounge since Voldemort attacked him. It was part of the powers he transferred. He could talk to snakes before he even went to hogwarts.
June 26, 2007
Harry is a Horcrux. I wouldn’t belive it at first but the evidence is pointing that way. Doesn’t Voldemort give orders not to kill Harry in the sixth book, when his main goal throughout the books is killing him? He has clearly found out somewhere between the Ministry of Magic incident and the attack at Hogwarts. Harry has many qualities that Voldemort posseses, such as Parseltounge, and after he comes back to power Harry’s scar hurts not only when he is near Voldemort, but when he is feeling great emotion. Also, in GoF, he has dreams about what is happening to Voldemort at the very moment! About the dreams Harry has in HBP about Mr. Wealsly has lead me to belive that Voldemort may be an Animagus, taking form of a snake! Either that or Nagini really is a Horcrux, and Harry is seeing from her point of view. I OoP Harry is seeing Voldemort and Sirius, when Sirius is at the Grimmald place. Voldemort probably learned this advantage at the moment and used it to lure Harry to the Ministry. In CoS, Harry destroys Voldemort’s Horcrux with ease. Wouldn’t he have put enchantments on it? Look what happened to Dumbledore with the fake Horcrux! Not even real! Surely only Voldemort could get past these? Since Harry has part of Voldemort inside him, he could destroy the diary! But even if Harry is a Horcrux, it doesn’t mean he has to die. I don’t think Rowling has the guts to kill him.
June 26, 2007
What if…harry’s scar was not exactly part of harry but was a horcrux by itself. This would mean harry wouldn’t have to die……..Yay, but Voldy could die.
June 26, 2007
Allright… your theory for the deathly hallows is good however.. wasn’t harry’s parents killed in a place called somethin Hallows.. if I remember correctly? So maybe in the 7th book he’s going to go back to where his parents were killed. Just a little thought I had.
June 27, 2007
I think we are forgetting something important, what happened to Olivander? They said that he maybe joined Voldmort or was attacked…in matter fact, he simple disappeared. Could he be behind the fake hourcrux? Is he talented enough to do that? I think is just too strange see a character like Olivander simple disappear without a trace, when he was so important in the past. My opinion? J.K.Rowling is up to something
June 27, 2007
Is it possible that Sirius gave Harry the invisibility cloak ?, being a black he would have known a lot more about whats going on with the Death Eaters then any of the other friends of Harry’s father.
June 27, 2007
#19, your list may require one modification( that is if i am correct). If initially Voldemort created seven horcruxes apart from one part of soul remaining in his body, then when he initially tried to kill Harry and lost his body along with the eigth part of soul, then he must have been required to use one of the seven horcruxes and linger on without a body for 14 years. So we are left with six remaining horcruxes. I don’t think Voldemort(or any part of his soul) were affected in SS(as is written in point 6 of #19 comment).
In Slughorn’s memory Voldemort did say about splitting soul into 7 but what if he actually meant seven horcruxes.
So the renewed list of seven original horcruxes should/could be:
1.Diary
2.Ring
3.Locket
4.Cup
5.Nagini
6.One other unknown(one of Griffindor’s or Ravenclaw’s relic).
7.Another unknown(which he used to revive himself when curse killing backfired when he attempted to kill Harry).
Ofcourse this is assuming he split his soul into 8 parts initially.7 for horcruxes and 1 in the body.
Comments Please.
June 27, 2007
Ok I think people are being confused.
Voldemort didn’t make 7 Horcruxes he wanted a 7 part soul which would mean 6 horcruxes plus the piece that resides inside him. Also when he tried to kill Harry as a baby the piece of soul left floating around was still the 7th piece. His horcruxes kept his soul alive, his body was destroyed.
So that means the Horcruxes are
1. The Diary - and someone said earlier they thought Harry was a horcrux because he could touch/destroy the the diary. I don’t agree, the diary was meant to be found and used to open the chamber, the only spells on it where the enchantments of the memory.
2. The Ring - Which has been destroyed.
3. The Locket - Which may have been destroyed already there is no way to be sure, until Harry finds it to check.
4. The Cup - Still left to be found.
5. Nagini
6. Something of Ravenclaws - Dumbledore believed he had the last remaining relic of Griffyndor.
And someone was wondering about where Harry’s Parents lived. It was Godrics Hollow. Not Hallow.
June 27, 2007
@25: There are several things wrong with your Sirius theory.
1: Dumdledore says he gives it to Harry in the first book himself.
2: Even if Dumbledore didn’t give the invisibility cloak to Harry, Sirius definitly didn’t because he was in Azkaban. I don’t think they would let you bring an invisibility cloak into Azkaban, and even if they did going up to a dementor and saying “Exuse me, but can I mail this invisibility cloak to my godson so he can roam around the schook breaking rules?” isn’t a very good idea.
June 27, 2007
@25: There are several things wrong with your Sirius theory.
1: Dumdledore says he gives it to Harry in the first book himself.
2: Even if Dumbledore didn’t give the invisibility cloak to Harry, Sirius definitly didn’t because he was in Azkaban. I don’t think they would let you bring an invisibility cloak into Azkaban, and even if they did going up to a dementor and saying “Exuse me, but can I mail this invisibility cloak to my godson so he can roam around the schook breaking rules?” isn’t a very good idea.
June 27, 2007
Damn I knew something was wrong with that theory, gotta read the first book’s again.
June 27, 2007
@24 - I agree that Olivander probably will come in to it but I really can’t think of what is so special about him except making wands really well. Then again, he can remember every single wand he’s ever sold. Maybe the death eaters want the “brother wand” of the opposition as a weapon of sorts.
Also, has anyone given much thought to what might be going on with Aunt Petunia? In an interview with
Rowling, she said “there’s more to Aunt Petunia than meats the eye”. She is harry’s only living blood relative and that could be very important. Any idea’s?
June 27, 2007
Cassady, I think you are correct about the number of horcruxes created and what they are.
June 27, 2007
I really don’t think that Petunia will show up, nevertheless it’s a possible idea.
June 28, 2007
I was just rereading CoS and came across this:
“Professor,” he started again after a moment. “The Sorting Hat told me I’d-I’d have done well in Slytherin. Everyone thought I was the Heir of Sytherin for a while…because I can speak Parseltongue….”
“You can speak Parseltongue, Harry,” said Dumbledore calmly, “because Lord Voldemort-who is the last remaining descendant of Salazar Slytherin-can speak Parseltongue. Unless I’m much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the noght he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I’m sure….”
“Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?” Harry said, thunderstruck.
“It certainly seems do.”
Quote from CoS 332-333. Check it if you don’t belive me.
So there you have it. Full proof. Dumbledore confirmed that Voldemort, or at least part of him, is inside Harry. In other words, Horcrux.
June 28, 2007
OK. @34
Harry is not a horcrux its ridiculous. A piece of Voldemort would not be able to reside in him, he has too much love. Remember when Voldemort tried to posses him at the ministry, he couldn’t bear it for more than a few seconds.
What Dumbledore was talking about was the prophecy. “..Dark Lord will ‘mark him as his equal’…”
When a spell as powerful as Avada Kedavra backfires its bound to transfer some powers.
June 28, 2007
i agree with 35..
@34 dumbledore didnt confirm anything at all.. he just confirmed some powers were transfered, during the avada kadavra..
and if what u said where right, that dumbledore confirmed harry was a horcrux. then why the heck didnt he tell harry in book 6 ? or atleast pointing it out for him..
June 28, 2007
Read 22. I acually agree with him/her. What if the scar itself was the Horcrux? And 35, Harry isn’t brimming to the top with love. He has his evil moments, like when he was then snake and attacked Mr. Weasley, and when he was so longing to bite Dumbledore… to kill him… 36, I never said Dumbledore comfired Harry was a Horcrux, what he did say was he had part of Voldemort within himself. Very doubtful Dumbledore knew Harry was a Horcrux, he says when he makes mistakes they are big, and yes this would be a big mistake. Oh god I just realized something. 27, you say when Voldemort tried to kill Harry as a baby his other Horcrux’s kept him alive. Well there is a piece of soul floating around. Well mabye Voldemort didn’t make a new Horcrux, he just made one using the piece of soul inside his body without knowing it. When you curse someone there is a momentary connection between the two people, the curser holding his wand, the curse touching the cursed person. So? A connection! When the wand backfired, Harry was made a Horcrux because of the connection! 35, you said in the prophecy that the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal. They’re pretty equal if Harry has part of his soul inside him!
June 29, 2007
@37.
A horcrux is an extrememly complicated bit of dark magic it doesn’t just ‘happen’ you have to perform a certain spell and I doubt very seriously Voldemort was even thinking the word when he tried to kill Harry.
And those moments when he wanted to strike Dumbledore, and when he was the snake were just Voldemort trying to get into his thoughts to use him. It wasn’t Harry wanting to strike it was Voldemort. Through they’re magical connection not because Harry is a horcrux.
And seriously the scar a horcrux in itself?? come on its a red line on his forehead where exactly is the bit of soul being contained??
June 29, 2007
I don’t want to think that Harry is a horcrux, but it is all too possible. The main reason why I don’t truly believe it to be so is that Voldemort, however despicable he may be, is a very intelligent and accomplished wizard. I don’t think that he would place TWO horcruxes into living things…a tad bit risky. I do think that “Peeves Best Bud” made a great point that when Voldemort attempted to kill baby Harry and failed, he may have split his soul again without truly knowing it certainly. That encounter DID form some type of strange, and strong, connection between the two. If Harry is a horcrux, this would mean he would have to die in order to rid the world of Voldemort entirely., doesn’t it?
I DO believe Dumbledore is DEAD. DEAD. Death, as we all know, means nothing in this series, as we see glimpses of those long gone all the time. We will definately see Dumbledore again. In what form, only the author knows for certain. I had wondered if, perhaps, Dumbledore had been dead since the blackening of his hand, as well. I have DESPISED Severus Snape since book one, but he is one of the better-written characters in the series….and as bad as I hate to admit it, I believe that he was keeping Dumbledore alive after the incident that withered his hand. The incident atop the tower was Dumbledore begging Snape to let him die. I don’t think that Dumbledore wanted Malfoy to become a murderer and saw no other way around it all. Malfoy and Snape might be of some help in the end, I think.
I also think that Neville will play a crucial role in the final book. What that role may be, I can only speculate. I hope that he really gets a chance to shine, to prove his worth to his grandmother.
Aunt Petunia will DEFINATELY serve up some major shocker, but I am not so sure as to what that might be. There are too many possibilities concerning this.
The fact that the word “HALLOWS” appears in the title of book seven is, I believe, a hint as to the veil between the living and the dead being thinner on All Hallows Eve aka Halloween. This could just refer to the sheoul-type veil between the living world and that of the spirit. It could also be some sort of reference to the veil that Sirius fell through in The Department of Mysteries. I would almost bet that something of this nature will come up. As the veil is thinnest on this night, could a situation occur at the site of Dumbledore’s tomb in which Dumbledore comes to Harry’s aid?
I wonder if any of the characters who have passed on will be re-animated as inferi. Just imagine how horrendous it will be if Harry is forced to face Sirius or his parents as inferi.
As far as R.A.B. is concerned, the instant I read those initials, I immediately thought of Sirius’ brother, Regulus. Apparently, alot of other people did so as well. It may be Regulus, but he just seems so obvious that I am just not sure.
I, too, am perplexed by the disappearance of Mr. Ollivander. This just seemed extremely important to me when I read it. A hunch….could be wrong…just a hunch that it is important somehow.
I think that the locket found at 12 Grimmauld Place is very likely the horcrux that Dumbledore and Harry were trying to destroy. The initials R.A.B. possibly being Regulus Black seems to also further enforce this possibility.
I just hope that Minerva McGonagall survives! I absolutely adore her.
Also, Hagrid’s role in the seventh book is something to think about. He loved Dumbledore probably more than anything or anyone. Is he going to try and avenge Dumbledore’s murder?
I, too, ponder Wormtail’s role in the end of it all.
I have thought alot about the two-way mirror. I think it might somehow be of help to Harry, if the veil between worlds is thinned substantially. He might be able to reach Sirius, who could bring Harry into contact with others who might lend a hand. Who knows?
Fawkes has to be addressed as well. His appearance after Dumbledore’s death seemed important, but it may not be. Could Dumbledore rise from the ashes?
Also, pertaining to R.A.B., could this person be Borgin or Burke? Is it possible that they aren’t truly evil but are just working undercover, so to speak? I can’t remember their first names, so I am just taking a stab in the dark.
What about Professor Trelawny predicting, with her tarot, about the tower incident? Did she FINALLY See and Prophesy an event without entering a trance-like state?
June 29, 2007
I’m with you all about R.A.B. being Regulus Black.
However I don’t think the locket from Sirius’s house can be the fake horcrux UNLESS RAB is someone other than Regulus Black. How could the locket have got from Grimmauld place to the cave by Regulus Black in the intervening months when he was meant to be dead.
I like the idea about Dumbledore being dead after the hand incident (great lateral thinking whoever that was) however I don’t think it’s correct. I took “stopper death” to mean putting-a-stopper-on-a-bottle-of-death aka poison. Also hasn’t everyone all the eway through the books emphasised that noone can come back from the dead…
June 29, 2007
yes exactly, noone can come back from the dead.. but that doesnt mean u cant put a stopper for death!
June 29, 2007
@40
I think the theory is that the locket found at Grimmauld place was the REAL horcrux after the bit of soul had been destroyed. It had been placed there only after taken from the cave. It could have been years ago.
June 29, 2007
@38: You’re just guessing some of this aren’t you?(Yes I’m guessing too but I prefer to call the type of guessing I’m using theory based on fact that is acually fiction. Yes I know I’m crazy.) The scar could very much be a Horcrux because nobody knows how big it is, remember? Besides yo were scoffing at the scar being a Horcrux in itself, which means the Horcux isn’t inside the scar it is the scar itself. This is a bit far-fetched, I guess, but making Horcruxes may have nothing to do with an incantation. It could simply be done by wanting something, like the Unforgivable curses. You have to want to couse pain and suffering very badly, in order to produce a proper one.
@39: I think you misunderstood me. Voldemort didn’t split the piece of soul residing in his body if he ‘gave’ it to Harry. My guesses are he just transported it to Harry’s body. Also if Harry is a Horcrux it doesn’t mean he has to die. Severely injured, maybe.. But what’s a book if nothing bad ever happened? There could be some way to remove a Horcrux, the only reason Dumbledore probably didn’t do that with the locket was because they were trying to kill Voldemort.
I also have another theory. Rowling says someone is going to perform magic late in life. It isn’t Petunia. I heard someone say they thought it would be Dudley, but I think he is too much of a stuck-up pig to do so, and besides haven’t Vernon and Petunia trained him to be terrified of magic? I think it may be Ms. Figgs. She comes from a magical family, so she woudn’t scream if a gerbil was turned into a teacup or something. Or maybe it’s Mr. Filch? I think it’s a bit too obvious, because of the Kwinkspell paper Harry found, but it’s a possibility.
Also this is weird, I don’t no if I read it here but who cares! In the fifth book when some of the prophecies are smashed an old man comes out of one and says “And the Solstice will come a new!” The a young women comes out of one and says “And none shall return!” Well Rowling announced the name of the new book on Dec. 21, the winter Solstice, and it is the last book, so Rowling predicted, well I don’t know how to put it but there you go. Exuse me if there is something wrong about that, I’m horrible with dates and I have the worst memory ever, and the only calender I own is shoved under my bed somewhere. (I’m dreadfully disorganized too.) It’s going to be a little disapointing when the book comes out and all the arguing is going to stop exept for a little at the end when people are gong to be rubbing it in other peoples faces if they were right. (I told you I was crazy. That came out of nowhere.)
June 30, 2007
In book 6 when they are looking at the real memory from Slughorn when Voldemort was asking about horcruxes Slughorn said.
” There is a spell, do not ask me, I don’t know!”
So yes there IS a spell. I wasn’t just shooting in the dark.
A horcrux encases a piece of soul. The object and the soul together make the horcrux. They aren’t the same thing. That is how Dumbledore could wear/keep the ring after he removed the bit of soul because it was no longer a horcrux.
June 30, 2007
Could RBA be more than one person? Yes, I know that in the letter left with the goblet was written in single person, although that person only talk by it self and at the end signed with the initials of every one.
and maybe:
R : Regulus
B : …
A : …
It’s just and idea, and I don’t had time to check if I’m mistaken…
June 30, 2007
@44
I don’t really comletely believe this, but since harry is so full of love, could he have sort of rejected the piece of soul (if there was a peice in the first place). If his body did reject it, could the horcrux be forced to reside outside his skin (his scar).
again, I don’t really know if this even makes sense but I’m just looking for some idea’s.
July 1, 2007
Ben,
-On the Dumbledore was already dead theory. No, I’m sure he is truly alive until sometime after snape says the AK. Whether “stopper death” refers to putting death in a flask or halting its real effects, Dumbledore cannot be veritable walking dead man at any time (especially given his brilliant, nuanced and passionate interactions with Harry in HBP). It flies in the face of everything JKR tells us she believes in regarding pure whole souls. BUT, that is not to say that he is certainly dyING throughout HBP. I think at the time Snape utters the AK (which I don’t believe was the actual curse he cast-I think he nonverbally levicorpused DD) Dumbledore was dying and was beyond help.
Oy Hazel re #40…this is easier than you think. RAB (reulus) takes Kreacher to the cave where kreacher (who doesn’t register as a qualified wizard) and he get on the boat and go the little islant with the stone pedestal and the potion. The letter has already been written and has already been placed in a fake locket by regulus. Kreacher helps/forces regulus to drink the potion (as Harry helped/forced DD) and regulus takes the real locket and puts his locket with the note inside in the pedestal bowl. I do not know whether the potion immediately replenishes itself when something is placed inside or by some other mechanism…but now the pedestal bowl contains the fake locket/horcrux and regulus and kreacher have the real locket. Perhaps regulus dies right there, becoming one of the bodies in the water and Kreacher takes the locket himself, or they both leave together and regulus has the locket. He dies before he is able to destroy it which is why it still won’t open.
July 1, 2007
Somewhere else I read an interesting theory that the spell that creates a horcrux would involve not just any murder, but the muder of one who has been imperiused. Something like …when one does the imprious curse, they exert control by extending their will to another, such that if the imperioused person is mudered (an act which usually tears and damages the soul of the muderer within his own body) the tear occurs in a manner which leaves the torn part of the soul in the victim. The victim is not a horcrux or even an inferious, but a temporary vehicle for transporting a piece of torn soul. The murderer would then have to transfer that piece into some object with a specific curse. The intriguing thing about this theory is that it gives play to the whole Harry’s scar is an “accidental horcrux” idea. I guess it would go something like, Voldemort attempts to imperiuise baby Harry. He then AKs him (because he wanted to make a horcrux with his murder) but the AK rebounds because of Lily’s love and sacrifice. Somehow the imperious curse which would have ended if voldemort died, still exists…sort of , in Harry. But, because voldemort is not really alive either, he cannot contol it. Furthermore, Harry’s pure soul (enhanced by his mother’s love and sacrifice, rejects this piece of dark will from his mind (like an incapatible organ transplant) and it resides on his forehead. So his scar is not exactly a horcrux, but has a significant connection to voldemort (as we’ve seen)
I guess it could still go either way in terms of whether it has to be destroyed for voldemort to be finished, but I kind of doubt it, because remember when McGonnegal asks DD why he doesn’t try to rmove the scar from the sleeping Harry in SS? DD replies that scars can be very useful. Its possible that rather than needing to destroy the scar, it will prove useful to Harry. Also Harry says at one point also in SS that he liked his scar. anyway…
July 1, 2007
Informotion we know
1. Dumbeldore is DEAD, Fawks left hogwarts just to say ‘My master left and I have nothing to do here’
2. R.A.B Is a death eater, R.A.B died before Harrys Parents died
3. Voldermort mentioned that some death eaters knew about his way to become immortal , he didnt mention horcrux (quote : “And I asked myself, but how could they have believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death?” )
4. There should be 7 horcrux , the Riddle diary,The ring,The cup,The ‘Snake’,something from godric or ravenclaw.The cup and the locket , some of you didnt understood what `s horcrux, horcrux is a piece of your soul cutted from your soul lying on anothe object or living, Therefore it should be like this : 1 piece of souls => 2 piece`s of souls [first horcrux] => 3 piece`s of souls [second horcrux] => 4 piece`s of soul
[third horcrux] => 5 pieces of soul [forth horcrux] => 6 pieces of souls [fifth horcrux] => 7 pices of soul [sixth horcrux] => 8 pices of souls [seventh horcrux]
Therefore, There are 7 objects containing horcrux, since voldermort lost one its six, a piece of soul has got out from a horcrux to keep voldermort alive, it couldnt be the diary, or the riong because its simply cursed [and ofcours nagini is counted], now about the harry potter is a horcrux theory, the possiblty of it is really high, 60%, why? it seems that a diffrent soul parts can contact each other [Harry saw through voldermort`s eyes and through Nagini] it prooves that Voldermot nad nagini are horcrux`s, Whihc prooves why Nagini is loyal to Voldermort and Voldermort seen through Harry`s eyes as well! and he tried to controll him! [not the scar, his real body] that means that Harry gotta have a soul part, it seems that ‘the love power is strong’ but I except it to be at the end, also if you may mention that J.K.R mentioned that she had the end of the book before she wrote the beggining, and in the first book Dumbeldore mentioned that Harry has love something he dont have, and Voldermort was undersmating love it seems by the judge of his visit to dumbeldore to gain DADA teacher`s job so its right according to the property, the power is love
now about R.A.B being sirius`s brother, when I read R.A.B the first time I was sure ‘B’ must be ‘Black’, but we dont know Sirius`s father name so we cant be sure, however we can be sure that we seen an ‘alphread’ which is sirius`s uncle and we know that hes a ‘black’ as well because he was at the same tree part that sirius was, Therefore his name was Alphread [fathersname] Black, his son would be [Name] Alphread Black, Which is .A.B allready, Its mentioned that regulos was a death eater and died before Harry`s parents, some of you would think ‘of cours, he tried to steal the horcrux that voldermort had’ but I would`nt think that way, because Sirius said that he was much better Magican then his brother and how can his brother know about such a dark arts if Sirius dont know? R.A.B can only be Regulos Black if he hiden his ‘true power’ as a wizard from Sirius, Im also suspecting that knowing who R.A.B was wouldnt help any other then nothing because hes dead and he was a death eater’
Simple few things you should know
1. J.K.R said that Lupin will die by wormtail`s silver hand, not by him who knows the silver hands power except of Voldermort himself?
2. Share your opnions with me, what do you think of a wand becoming horcrux? Oliv`s reason to quit?
3. Share another opinion with me, we know that to preform the 3 curses you need to have special feeling, To create Imerius we need to believe we controll the life of everyone upon us like a king, a minister,
To preform Curciu we need to enjoy killing, To preform Avada Kadavra we need to give all the reason we have to kill, no matter how justiced the reason the curse will work, Harry doesnt enjoy Killing, Nor he want to controll people but he do have a reason to use Avada Kadavra?
Share another opinion with me, What happens in the Veil is a mystery, It might be dead people but what do you think of Dead people who you loved? its natural that importent people wont ‘leave this dimension’ because we need them , this is logic, therefore the looked room can be 1. Love 2. The second dimension
3. Your inner yourself, Well we cant see love but we can seeh the people we loved, maybe we cant just go through the veil to see those people but we need to go through thee door
Also share another opinion with me - Slughorn didnt tell Voldermort everything about the horcrux , so How did Voldermort found it out? I believe he asked somone and requested him to become death eater
Also - Why does Dumbeldore trust Snape? Maybe Snape saw the death of Lily and James potter in his own eyes? Behind an Invisibilty clock? Maybe he really does feel bad for somone he owes a favour? , Snape saved Dumbledor back there when they tried to find the ring, Snape could easily let Dumbledor die and go to the ministery of magic saying ‘Dumbledore is dead’ and go to voldermort, he didnt break the vow that way and he didnt betray Voldermot, so WHY, why did he save Dumbledore? it means only 1 thing, Snape trusts Dumbledore and hes on his side, Did Dumbledore felt he was going to die and was being killed by somone harry so hated will ‘trigger the gun’ for him? or else Dumbledore was controlled by snape right after he was saved using the Imperius curse?
July 1, 2007
at the end of HBP harry says that he would go visit his parents. maybe that is the graveyard?
July 1, 2007
nr 49:
JR says personally that wormtail’s silverhand will NOT be used for killing lupin.. dont know where u got that from,,
even though its a nice idea, cuz of silver beeing the only thing who can kill a warewolf
July 2, 2007
Sorry 49…I’m pretty sure, as DD explains, voldemort wanted his soul divided into seven pieces, because seven is the most magically powerful number. So he ripped 6 pieces out of his soul to place in objects (he created 6 horcuxes) and the seventh is the bit that resided in his body. After the AK rebounded, his body was killed but that bit continued to exist (as explained in GOF) until wormtail helped him regenerate into a new body.
Two of the horcruxes are known to have been destroyed (the diary and the ring), and we assume the locket is still a viable horcrux because it won’t open. According to DD, Harry has still to find and destroy that locket, Hufflepuff’s cup, nagini and something of Griffindor or Ravenclaw, before he can go after the seventh and final piece of voldemort;s soul (which is in voldemort) in their final battle.
July 2, 2007
@38 (and others I think)
Doesn’t Dumbledore say that when Voldy tried to kill Harry as a baby he was trying to make the last Horcrux? (Maybe I’m imagining this, but) I thought it said that he reserved making the horcrux’s for very significant murders (ie killing his main rival which he knew to be harry beause of what he heard of the prophesy) so he WOULD have been thinking of making a horcrux at the time, so harry/his scar could have been made a horcrux (though that just doesn’t feel right to me).
Then (I think) Dumbledore said that after Wormtail returned to Voldy he made a horcrux by killing that old guy - frank. I don’t get that, though, ’cause Voldy was barely alive as it was (he admitted that to wormtail at the time) so why would he split his soul THEN, when he was planning to fully regenerate - why not wait til after he had got a new body and stuff? And also frank died really quickly so there was no deep complicated black magic (if any was required). And why make one out of frank? If he was so desperate to make the final horcrux, why didn’t he just make one out of bertha jorkins before? But by now, if Dubledore was right, and Voldy hadn’t made the sixth and last horcrux by the end of book 4 when he got a new body, he will have done by now, so he will have his complete set…except for the destroyed ones…
Sorry if any of this is slightly inaccurate (or just plain wrong) ’cause I havn’t re-read the books for ages.
July 4, 2007
At the end of book 6, Harry says that he would like to see his parents graves. Now about the graveyard, i don’t believe that it is the graveyard that Tom Riddle was buried in, but rather the one that Harry’s parents were buried in. It would be interesting for Voldemort’s and Harry’s final fight to be at Godric’s Hollow where it all started.
July 4, 2007
Ok once again I love all the ideas. I have heard on countless occassions that you should always go with your first instict and for some reason when I read HBP the RAB referance I thought of Borges or Burks or what ever their names are before I thought of anyone else. I think that fear made one of them take the locket. How many people even his followers are truely happy with Voldemort. The safest place for a Horcrux if in fact they new what it was would be in the dark arts store it’s not like wizards are breaking their dorrs down wanting to buy from them. They had a bunch of gizmos in there that were not for sale. But then again I haven’t read the early books in a while. The Kreacher theory earlier was neet and plausible. The Snape still being good is still in my head. I still do not think that Dumbledore’s trust would have been that easily misplaced. And the unbreakable oath he made with Mrs. Malfoy would have been every reason to do it. I think Dumbledore knew about the oath and new he was dying ayway. So what the hell right? Oh well it’s dinner time gotta run. Happy hunting with the conspiracy theories.
July 4, 2007
I have come to my final decision and I think don’t think Harry is a Horcrux. I believe Voldemort never had a chance to make him a Horcrux. I’m pretty sure that Voldemort didn’t make Harry a Horcrux while he tried to kill Harry. Unless Voldemort made Harry a Horcrux, and then proceeded to try and kill him, which I don’t think would make any sense. I think that Voldemort has made his final Horcrux some time after he came back in the graveyard.
Maybe Voldemort used Lilly Potter’s death to make a final Horcrux and hid it in Godric’s Hollow.
July 6, 2007
A thought concerning Sirius. He is generally assumed to be dead. However, he fell bodily through the curtain. If you check the text of OP where this occurs, he dodges a red flash and is struck by another flash - of no stated color - which knocks him through the curtain or veil. The fact the Rowling does not say what color the blast was, opens some lines of speculation, especially since she is widely thought to invest meaning in practically everything.
This event, the disappearance of Sirius, appears to violate several laws of conservation of matter and energy, not to mention an old saw or three. Generally when one dies, the body stays behind. Where ever Sirius is, his body is with him. So perhaps while Dumbledore won’t be pulling a Gandalf, perhaps Sirius will be returning the matter he wasn’t supposed to be leaving with.
Just a thought.
July 6, 2007
Some people put way too much time and energy into this.
1) RAB=Regulus. Language translations still create the same general thought. The name always has the same conclusion, in any language! That is NOT a coincidence.
2)Dumbledore did die, which makes me sad, but he WILL DEFINITELY reapear whether in a picture or w/e who knows.
3)Sirius will come back. Something major will happen with him.
4)The scar a horucrux? wtf are you smoking? The scar is ripped flesh that healed itself…not a horocrux sorry.
5)It NEVER mentions that Voldemort was thinking of making a horocrux the night he murdered harry’s parents. He killed them because he heard the garbled version of the prophecy and went to strike down the one who could defeat him.
6) I really like the idea about after dumbledore touches the ring and his hand going black, that he is dying, and that snape makes a “Stopper of death”
It would be a very interesting detail, and makes good sense, and explains the scene where snape and dumbledore are fighting.
7)not to rain on your parade or anything up there 57) but ehh…lots of things in the world of HP defy the physical laws that we have created. i.e a bus that can squish it’s self between cars.
8)Does Fudge just drop off? What about the new minister? No one has said anything about the possibilty of Ron/Hermoine and Ginni/Harry, what will come of that?
9) I really do believe that Aunt Petunia will pull a Mrs. Figg and use some magic or sumthing. It would be a major shocker.
10) when the horocrux’s creations were complete, there counted 7 Horcruxes, i just checked the book! Because 7 is the most powerful number in the wizarding world.
11)I really do hope it all ends at Godrics Hallow. It began, and ended there, that would be a fitting conclusion.
12)I will think of more things, im off to re-read the series! We are definitely missing something very very very small, and seemingly insignificant!
July 6, 2007
i dont know if thi is a bit mad myself but its certainly interesting i came across this point while trying to prove my friends wrong
what if V when realizing from the prophecy that harry wud be a great wizard decided not to kill him but to make him a horocrux but after he made him one his mother’s protection came into play and V “died” now he thinks he will have to kill harry even if there is a part of his soul in him because harry is too full of love to be of any use to him
i know its a bit mad but its different anyway ^^
July 7, 2007
So this is a little random, but what if the ending went straight back to the very beginning? “Deathly Hallows” could imply a deathly all hallow’s day, or all hallow’s eve (halloween). Harry’s parents were killed on a halloween. What if Harry somehow has to use a timeturner and go back in time to see his parents killed, or somehow have a part in their killing? I don’t have a lot to back this up, just think it’d be cool if it somehow all came back. Also, would be “deciding between right and easy” and would make JkR cry, as has been reported. Leave thoughts.
July 7, 2007
Okay i give up harry’s not a horcrux in any way shape or form. and maulth.. HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF SMOKING!! I WOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER THINK OF SMOKING! I DEPISE SMOKING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM! GRAAAR!
July 7, 2007
think u misunderstood something lol
July 7, 2007
Despite seeming to simple to be true, Regulus Black is RAB. All signs point to him. His initials, history as a death eater, refering to Voldemort as Dark Lord in the note, and the locket found in the Black’s house, all scream Regulus. Maybe to loudly for some fans.
It did for me. I read OotP right before getting the HBP, so it seemed to obvious. But when I shared my observation with fans who had not read the book before they had not yet made the connection. She only briefly mentions Regulus in OotP, so maybe she didn’t mean for it to stand out like such a sore thumb.
Nevertheless I had trouble believing it until I heard about the translated copies of HBP. In the Dutch translation the initials are RAZ not RAB. This matches the translation of the surname Black, which is Zwarts. Likewise the Norwegian translation of Black is Svaart and the initials were RAS.
I know we would all still like a mystery but it seems pretty cut and dry. A better question to ask ourselves maybe what is Regulus’s story. I like the proposed idea that Regulus maybe Stubby Boardman. A Quibbler article proposed the idea that Sirius was not involved with Lily and James death bc he was really a musician Stubby Boardman. A woman interviewed by the Quibbler claimed to have had dinner with Stubby the night of their deaths. Could she have been mistaking Sirius for Regulus?
I’d like to think so. I found Luna and her father’s paper to very funny. The way JK has painted the Daily Prophet to be a sell out commercialized paper that printed false stories about Harry even thought they are supposed to be respected journalist, has made me think that maybe we shouldn’t always believe what the paper says. It would be rather comical if some of the wacky stories from the Quibbler turned out to be true.
July 7, 2007
Why does Dumbledore trust Snape? How could you trust some one who heard the most important wizarding prophecy and passed the info on to the worst Wizard, the one person who shouldn’t know the info. Snape was a Half-Blood and was helping some one who wanted to get rid of everyone who was not pure blood.
I do not see how Dumbledore could trust him. Any ideas? I came up with one but I think it is too far out there.
Snape supposedly heard the prophecy and passed it to Voldemort
This makes Snape a death eater
Who is to say he was a death eater before this event
Maybe Dumbledore had Snape become one
Maybe Dumbledore had Snape pass the info
Bc he knew the Child could stop Voldemort
Seems like quite a risk though
If the prophecy wasn’t true then he sent Voldemort after the Potter Family
If it was true than he is still sacrificing Lily and James Potter
Unless he knew they would come back but this is all so far stretched
Also around this time of hearing the prophecy and passing the info Snape gets a job at Hogwarts. How could Dumbledore’s trust in Snape be established so quickly after he passed the prophecy on. It just seems like Dumbledore must’ve know what Snape was doing.
It is claimed that he did not get Defense Against the Dark Arts because he was a death eater and could not be trusted. But this makes no sense since Dumbledore claims to trust him. I think he got the Potions position because the Defense Against the Dark Arts Position is cursed and no teacher lasted more than a year in the position.
Another thing to think about is the fact that Snape finally gets the Defense Against the Dark Arts job when Voldemort has returned and things are at their worst. Why would Dumbledore move him? My initial thought was “Maybe Dumbledore knows Snape won’t be around after this year or that Snape won’t be needed anymore.†Either way I knew that the change in Snape’s subject area signaled that things would change for Snape that year and of course they did.
If Dumbledore and Snape had hatched a plan for Snape to kill him, for whatever reasons, then the men knew Snape would no longer be able to stay at Hogwart’s anyways. A perfect time for him to take the Dark Arts Position.
What do you guys think?
July 7, 2007
Ok. lets clear some things up
@58. YES Dumbledore did say that he thought Voldemort had been planning to make a Horcrux with Harry’s death as it would have been a significant one. However, we know that didn’t happen because as soon as his Avada Kedavra hit Harry it came back and killed him. Well the flesh part anyway. Besides I think everyones a little confused about making horcruxes. Killing someone splits the soul, THEN the wizard intending to make the horcrux uses this to his favor and performs a SPELL to encase the split piece of soul into the object of choice. Horcruxes DON”T happen on accident. Period. If you think I’m just guessing reread what Slughorn told Tom Riddle and what Dumbledore told Harry.
Also some people are mixing up ‘Deathly Hallows’ with ‘Godrics Hollow’, notice the spelling. They are different things.
July 8, 2007
Regarding R.A.B , though everyone who speculates Regulus Black has placed enough evidences in support of this theory but still I believe that this may not be true.The reasons are:
1. JK ’s writing style makes the reader to think in a particular direction which infact are for decieving the reader.
2. Regulus Black was not that expert as a wizard.When we go through the chapter “The Cave” in Sixth book we could imagine that how much difficult it was for even Dumbledore to get that locket and he too admitted that it is nearly impossible for one person to do it.It doesn’t seem that Regulus Black had that much expertise to not only extract that locket but also replace it.Even if he has, he is only one of the persons who did so as I have a gut feeling that R.A.B refers to more than one person’d initials.
July 8, 2007
Regarding Snape killing Dumbledore, I think Dumbledore foresighted this scenario probably when Snape might have informed him about his “Unbreakable” Vow(Though there is no direct reference in any of the HP 6th book regarding Snape telling Dumbledore about that).Also, when Dumbledore trusted Harry before taking him to destroy the supposed Horocrux, he took a promise that Harry would abide by whatever he commands under all situations.When it’s mentioned in the 6th book regarding the argument between Dumbledore and Serveus , it’s probably the same instructions that Dumbledore was passing over to Snape.
Also, apart from Harry and Draco when Snape arrived the tower where Dumbledore laid unarmed, there were Death Eaters present.Probably , Dumbledore sensed that Snape might not be strong enough and could disclose his loyalty towards Order of Pheonix hence he pleaded Snape to do what he instructed him to do under the worst circumstance.
July 8, 2007
im just wondering if the title harry potter and the deathly hallows have anything to do with godric hallows. is it because harry is returning there in the upcoming seventh book?
July 9, 2007
Well in my opinion Harry is the final horecrux it’s proven right in the second book. When Dumbledore is talking to Harry after he comes out of the Chamber of Secrets. Harry right out says to Dumbledore: “You mean part of Voldemort is inside of me?”
July 9, 2007
i belive that other than dumbledore, harry, ron, hermione, RAB and slughorn who we know to know about the horcruxes, that snape does also. firstly, snape saved dumbledore from the cursed hand he recieved from the ring (although we do not know how). also, dumbledore wanted to be taken to snape the night he went to get the locket rather than madam pomfrey. this would suggest that snape may know about them. however, i believe that snape is not evil so i would like to think he knew about them.
July 9, 2007
Honestly I do think Snape will help Harry in the end. Harry will need his help in dealing with the horcruxes. I really want to know why Mr. Weasley’s flying car is gonna be in Deathly Hallows, Rowling said it would.
July 9, 2007
Fish - Sorry. I deleted your comment because I misread and thought you posted the last chapter of the book. I have included it again below.
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Rowling drafted the last chapter of the book several years ago, to give her an ending to work up to. The last word of the last chapter of the book was said to be scar, according to Rowling in a 1999 interview [35]. She also suggested the last chapter and last word could change. This last chapter contains details of what happens to each surviving character:
This is the thing that I was very dubious about showing you… this is the final chapter of book seven. This is really where I wrap everything up, it’s the epilogue. And I basically say what happens to everyone after they leave school - those who survive - because there are deaths - more deaths coming. It was a way of saying to myself, ‘Well, you will get it, you will get to book seven one day. And then you’ll need this!’ So I’d just like to remind all the children I know who come around my house and start sneaking into cupboards that it’s not there anymore - I don’t keep it at home anymore for very, very, very obvious reasons. So there it is. [36]
Rowling has stated that there will be no Quidditch matches in Deathly Hallows.[37]
J. K. Rowling said in 2001 that Harry might get another pet at some point.[38] Although Buckbeak may have filled this role (Harry obtained possession of the Hippogriff after the death of Sirius Black, albeit under Hagrid’s care), she also hinted that Fawkes, Dumbledore’s phoenix, might have another role.[39]
We will learn something very important about Lily:
Now, the important thing about Harry’s mother - the really, really significant thing - you’re going to find out in two parts. You’ll find out a lot more about her in book five, or you’ll find out something very significant about her in book five, and you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in book seven.†– J. K. Rowling[40]
Rowling has long said that the fact that Harry’s eyes resemble his mother’s is “very important.â€[41]
Severus Snape has been an important and enigmatic character throughout the books, as his true loyalty has always remained unclear. It is to be anticipated that as a surviving major character, his loyalty will be settled in the final confrontation of the book. [42][43]
Questioner: There’s an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape.
Rowling: He, um, there’s so much I wish I could say to you, and I can’t because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I’m slightly stunned that you’ve said that and you’ll find out why I’m so stunned if you read Book Seven. That’s all I’m going to say.[40]
She has stated we will learn more about Peter Pettigrew and Dumbledore and their respective families.[37]
At the Edinburgh book festival, Rowling mentioned that something more would be revealed about Petunia Dursley. Nothing of note occurred in book 6, so this remains to be discovered.[44]
“..there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye…She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.â€
Rowling repeated this comment at the Radio City charity reading in August 2006.[45] She clarified by stating that Aunt Petunia will not perform magic.[46]
Rowling has said that some non-magical character will perform magic late in life under desperate circumstances.[47] However, Petunia will not be the one to perform magic (see above).
Also at Edinburgh, Rita Skeeter was mentioned: “She is loathsome . . . but I can’t help admiring her toughness. . . . There is more to come on Ritaâ€[44]
On Dolores Umbridge, “It’s too much fun to torture her not to have another little bit more before I finishâ€[37]
Rowling has said that Ginny Weasley is quite powerful, that we have seen a taste of that in the past, and we will see it again.[37]
Viktor Krum is set for a reappearance.[48]
Kreacher, the former Black Family house elf which passed to Harry’s ownership with the death of Sirius Black, may make an appearance. Rowling told the filmmakers of Order of the Phoenix to include the character in the movie, because he is “very important.â€[49]
The two-way mirror given to Harry by Sirius Black and his flying motorbike will return.[48] In fact, Rowling has mentioned in one of her FAQs that the two way mirror “will help more than you think.†Rowling refused to comment whether Sirius himself might in some way reappear, but she has also said that there was a reason why he had to die.[50]
Arthur Weasley’s flying car, which was last seen in the Hogwarts forest,[HP2] will reappear.[citation needed]
Rowling refused to comment when asked whether the locked door in the Department of Mysteries in the Ministry of Magic would feature in the final book.[51]
Dumbledore was said to have a “gleam of triumph†in his eyes when told that Voldemort had restored his body using Harry’s blood, at the end of Goblet of Fire (Ch. 36). Rowling has confirmed that this is “still enormously significantâ€.[51]
Rowling revealed in a 1999 interview that one of Harry’s classmates, though not Harry himself, will become a Hogwarts teacher. When asked, Rowling also ruled out Ron. This implies that Hogwarts will re-open at some point.[40]
In an interview after the completion of the Prisoner of Azkaban film, she commented that director Alfonso Cuarón had “put things in the film that, without knowing it, foreshadow things that are going to happen in the final two books. So I really got goosebumps when I saw a couple of those things, and I thought people are going to look back on the film and think those were put in deliberately as clues.â€[52]
There are indications that at least two of the main characters will die. In a June 2006 interview about the previously-written ending, Rowling stated that:
“One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn’t intend to die…A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil…They go for the main characters…well, I doâ€.[14]
When further questioned in June 2006 about authors who kill off their main characters, Rowling said “I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who thinks, well, I’m going to kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequelsâ€.[14]
Rowling clarified that “Dumbledore is definitely deadâ€, when asked by Salman Rushdie and others at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. Rowling answered the same question three times, each time with increasing conviction.[53] However, on the set of the Order of the Phoenix film, she remarked; “Dumbledore’s giving me a lot of troubleâ€. When asked “But isn’t he dead?†by Daniel Radcliffe, she explained; “Well, yeah, but it’s more complex ….â€[54]
When asked what questions she should have been asked, she admitted that “the final book contains a couple of pieces of information that I don’t think you could guess atâ€, and declined to explain further.[45] On 13 September, 2006 she updated her website saying that when she was asked that question, her mind went blank. Since she couldn’t make amends, she created a NAQ section of her website, in tribute to the girl who asked the question. In her NAQ section, she states:
“Why did Dumbledore have James’ invisibility cloak at the time of James’ death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?â€
On 29 September 2006, she revealed that Severus Snape was not under the cloak the night of the Potters’ death in the Rumours Section.
Asked which five of her characters she would like to invite to dinner, she chose Harry, Hermione and Ron, but then hesitated before choosing her last characters, saying “See… I know who’s actually dead,†unsure whether she was permitted to invite those who are ‘dead’.[45]
Lord Voldemort was voted best villain at the Big Bad Read poll. Responding to the news Rowling commented:
“I hope those of you who voted for him in the big bad read enjoy reading about him in book seven, where he finally gets the leg room for which he has been aching all those years in exile.â€
Use this to check on your facts.
July 10, 2007
About RAB… I feel that it must be regulus Black he is the only one that springs to mind… altho i do not think that the locket is a horcrux… it is merely a substitute for the horcrux, therefore it could be the cup or an item of ravenclaw or griffindors.
July 11, 2007
what do you guys think about fawkes?
July 11, 2007
I bellieve Fawkes will be a crucial part of Harrys fight against Voldermort as they both have a tail feather from fawkes in each of their wands -which means their wands cant duel against each other . If Fawkes was to become Harrys pet this might help him in his fight, fawkes has been mentioned many times in regard to harrys loyalty to dumbledore and has healed and rejuvinated him before.
and… If they cant duel against each other with their wands how are they going to fulfill the prophecy??? any ideas?
July 11, 2007
I love the way you sum everything up.
You are so logical: you don’t just to conclusions. I can understand everything you’re talking about, the way you explain it. Thanks for explaining everything so well. All of this being bookmarked
July 11, 2007
First of all, I really need to congratulate Ben for is last comment, it’s excellent you told what you think with everything supported. Congratulations.
After I read your comment I start to think about some things that J.K. Rowling said. She said that Ginny will shown to be more powerful than we think, and said too that aunt Petunia will show up with an important role.
Well in the book five (if I’m not mistaken) we find out that Harry’s mother die to save him, and that gave him the Love protection against the unforgivable curse. As we may able to see Dumbledor always gave that a lot of importance. Now if we turn our eyes to Petunia and Ginny, we are able to see that these two characters represent every thing that saved Harry when he was a baby. Petunia means the blood protection, and Ginny, of course, means the Love. If these two important things saved Harry in the past, it’s quite possible that these things will save Harry in the final battle against Voldmort, and that’s why Rowling is saying that Petunia and Ginny will be very important.
Another thing:
“Dumbledore was said to have a “gleam of triumph†in his eyes when told that Voldemort had restored his body using Harry’s blood, at the end of Goblet of Fire (Ch. 36). Rowling has confirmed that this is “still enormously significant†â€, (Ben’s Comment);
Well, Love is the thing that Voldmort most hate, and the Love that almost kills him is now running inside him. He thought that Harry’s blood turns him powerful than ever, although in my opinion this could gave him some powers, but at the same time turns him weaker. Once again Voldmort fail to understand the power of Love, and that Love is now making him more vulnerable.
July 11, 2007
@77.
I agree with you. Except we were told in book one that Lily died to save Harry.
I’m rereading them all so if I come across something important I’ll be sure to put it up here.
And it is becoming more and more obvious that Snape loved Lily it’s the perfect explanation for everything he’s done. I mean even if he hated James so much it alone wouldn’t have led him to such malcontent towards Harry. But if he loved Lily then Harry was the walking talking proof that she had chosen James. However he could not kill him or allow Quirrell too in book one, because he was still Lily’s son. He could have let Quirrell kill him in the Quidditch match and no one would have known he knew what Quirrell was planning if his loyalties were really with Voldemort he would have let Harry be killed right then. I think Snape is out for Snape and who knows what to expect from him.
July 11, 2007
I’m not sure where but I know that Lily die trying to save Harry’s life, she also beg Voldmort for Harry’s life, she even offer his life in change.
July 11, 2007
From What JK Has said about Petunia… It says she is not a squib or a witch… but there is still something important… I have a feeling that maybe Dudley will be able to use magic in extreme circumstances. I have recently re-read the books and i have noticed how strong the relationship between ron & Hermione is… Its Love-Lust… But With Fleur & Bill’s wedding coming… maybe a double wedding is on the cards… u never know with the way the wizarding community is now… it says in book 6 that arthur & molly rushed into marriage the last time Voldemort was powerful… maybe it is destined to be the same this time.
Any Other Ideas?
July 11, 2007
lupus- you’re a genius! that love-blood thing seems to work out perfectley, especially with that twist on harry and ginny deciding to break up for her safety at the end of book 6. an excellent plot twist, congratulations
July 11, 2007
Hate to bust your bubble, Cassady, but Snape didn’t appear to love Lily in the pensive. He called her a Mudblood, after she stuck up for him and everything. Of course it does make sense, mabye Snape didn’t love Lily at the time, and realizing what Lily had done for him, sticking up for him him everything, and what he had called her… Oh great, now i’m all confused…
July 12, 2007
to #75
Anna, i tihnk that voldomort and harry will be able to fight because in the 6h book olivander goes missing and i think it might have been voldomort trying to get a new wand made so he can attack harry. that brings up the question “is this good or bad for harry”?
July 12, 2007
i think fawkes will become loyal to harry and may kill nagini
July 12, 2007
I was thinking about Dudley…maybe he’s a squib or possibly a wizard.
Can Wizard blood pass through Muggle generations? Since Lilly was a witch, could that mean her parents and sister have a sort of recessive trait of being a wizard. If so, than, it could be passed on to Dudley.
Sorry if you don’t understand, it’s hard to put my thoughts in words.
I am almost possitive that Mrs. Figg is actually somebody drinking poly juice potion. I believe so because her house smells of cabbage and polyjuice potion tastes like “over-cooked cabbage”. Some possible people might be: Aberforth Dumbledore, a “dead” member of the order, or an auror.
July 12, 2007
When asked if aberforth was the barman in the hogshead in an interview i thought JK said that it was “A Good Guess” because of the smell of goat… feel free to correct me if i’m being totally stupid…
July 12, 2007
didnt she admit that aberforth was the barman? or is it me who has missread somthing.-?
July 13, 2007
A big part of me doesn’t even want the last book to come out. Theorizing is just too much fun.
July 13, 2007
@Peeves Best Bud
No I think he loved her even then, he showed such hatred towards her because I think he was determined not to really be in love with her. She was a muggle-born and everything against what he was for. It would explain so much, like why Dumbledore trusted him, he knew he hated James, but if he also knew how he loved Lily.. it also explains why Voldemort told her she need not die, Snape had asked, in exchange for the information he had given, that she be spared.
Does anyone else think its a weird coincidence that Lily and Ginny both have red hair? And Harry looks exactly like James? They just seem to fit lol
July 13, 2007
Harry Potter is deffinately NOT a horcrux. As much as i think it would make an intresting point in the upcoming book it just cant be. Dumbledore said himself the Voldemort made horcruxes only when he made very important kills but Voldemort only ever had intentions on KILLING Harry.That kind of points to saying that after he killed Harry he planned to make his last horcrux. Also even if we assume that Harry is a horcrux let’s think of how many times Voldemort has tried to kill him…..if Harry is a horcrux why in the world would voldemort be trying to kill a piece of his own soul?
July 13, 2007
some people seem to be a bit mislead by the horcrux theory. if we trust dumbledore, then voldemort wanted “six” horcruxes for a seven part soul.
1-the diary-destroyed
2-the ring-destroyed
3-the locket-location unknown*
4-the cup-location unknown
5-the snake-location unknown^
6-something of gryffindors or ravenclaws- identity unknown-location unknown.
*there is much speculation about the locket. it is almost certainly the locket that was in grimmauld place at the start of the 5th book, leading to suspicion that the locket is either with mundugus fletcher; sold to someone by mundungus fletcher; with kreacher; still at grimmauld place or in the possesion of one of the order(although unlikely).
^the snake, in dumbledores opinion is a horcrux. he says that when voldemort, with the aim to create a seven part soul, entered godrics hollow with the intention of killing harry, and the intention of making a horcrux out of him. he says that voldemort failed to kill him and probably used the death of frank bryce to make nagini a horcrux. thus achieving his objective of a seven part soul.
nevertheless, there is evidence to suggest harry’s scar or harry may be horcruxes themselves. in the CoS, dumbledore says that the night voldemort failed to kill harry, he accidentally transferred some powers over to harry. there is no proof that this means that harry is a horcrux, only that power was transfered. however, it seems that it is very possible that he could be a horcrux. this would mean that voldemort had unintentionally acheived an 8 part soul. there is no proof that if harrry was a horcrux that he has to die . also, if he was once a horcrux there is no proof that he is one now. at some point over the course of the series voldemort may have realised and removed the part of soul from him. for example, at the graveyard, when blood was transffered (explaining the gleam of triumph in dumbledors eyes); when voldemort possesed him at the ministry, or when voldemort cut off the connection between himself and harry’s thoughts.
finally, other possible horcruxes may include godrics hollow, which was once owned by bowman wright, a seeker. he may be an ascendant of james because james was a very good seeker. godric’s hollow is unlikely to be a horcrux becasue it was destroyed and in ruins the night harry’s parents died.
on a slightly different note, may a horcrux be at hogwarts, the place voldemort loved, possibly in the room of requirement(the is an evil description of this in the sixth book.
finally, the soting hat is not a horcrux and it is unlikely that griffindors sword is.
July 13, 2007
@ 91
Harry cannot possibly be a Horcrux.. 1st of all… The Curse which left the scar on Harry’s Head “Avada Kedavra”… This Means that Voldemort Was trying to Kill Him… he would not make him a Horcrux & Then Kill Him & There is no possibility of making him a horcrux after the curse had backfired because he was left powerless & barely mortal.
I feel That Nagini Is deffinately Another Horcrux because as dumbledore said… Voldemort has alot of control over her… even for a parcelmouth…
Didn’t JK say that Godrics Hollow Is a Town & not just a House… The Potters Family Home was a house in Godrics Hollow & Not Godrics Hollow Itself…
If we are assuming Godrics Hollow To Be “Godric Gryffindor” Then Maybe there is a Horcrux there… the 1 of Gryffindors because if there’s 1 place its there although the only known possession of gryffindors is his Sword Which Harry Pulled out of the Sorting Hat In Chamber Of Secrets.
Sorry Finished My Stupid Rant
July 13, 2007
omg, lots of conspiracy going on lol
so, i was reading the message @ 43 about how noone will rise at the solstice or w/e…so that clearly crosses out the fact that sirius will come back. i never noticed that …..
i do however find it extremely cool and interesting the fact that dumbledore could infact be an animagous as a pheonix and can be reborn over and over again…
but the other theory that caught my eye and that i might agree with is how dumbledore could have been kept alive by snape….because in the 6th book i believe, dumbledore mentions the elixir of life, and how it can extend a person’s life if they take it frequently. this could also explain why dumbledore needed to see snape, so that he would once again be fed the elixir of life…yes?
but although the theory of snape killing dumbledore on dumbledore’s orders is intriguing i find myself forcing myself not to believe it even though it may make sense
lol
i was so sure that snape was just a nasty booger lol but now u guys got me thinking. lol
and snape being in love with lilly potter? er…lol
and one last thing…., if harry was a horcrux, which i’m not incredibly sure of….does this mean that voldemort would perhaps never be able to die? hear me out….harry’s the only one who can kill voldy…right? so, to do this he must also kill himself…and i think the way it works is that the horcruxes must first be destroyed and then voldy himself. so, harry would have to kill himself and then kill voldy…doesn’t make sense….
so does that mean that voldy is extremely clever (or i’m extremely stupid and have missed sometthing) and has made it impossible for it to kill him?
maybe…someone can help me think this through?
July 13, 2007
OMG @ 92…Godric Gryffindor! holy..how did i miss that, thanks for that……so gryffindor’s thing could be there….Ah, very good thinking.
lol
July 14, 2007
I have three things to comment on.
1. I think if Harry was ever a Horcrux, LV used him up in the Graveyard in GOF
2. What if by drinking from the cup Dumbledore turned himself into one of LV’s Horcrux’s? And he knew he was going to do this and knew of Snape’s unbreakable vow and used it to his advantage? Snape looked at Dumbledore with hatred and revulsion, he was killing LV’s horcrux.
3. Snape loved Lilly Potter, and LV killed her, he hates LV for killing Lilly, this is one of the reason’s Dumbledore trusts him.
July 14, 2007
Think about this: LV created 6 horcruxes, (7 parts, the original and 6 splits)
Book One: Could he have had to use one to inhabit Quirrel?? Harry killed Quirrel at the end of book 1.
Book Two: Obviously the diary was a horcrux.
Book Three: I don’t think a horcrux was destroyed here.
Book Four: Harry was a horcrux and Voldemort removed (or used) the horcrux in the graveyard.
Book Five: I’m not sure here either…
Book Six: I believe that Dumbledore turned himself into a Horcrux and Snape destroyed it when he killed Dumbledore.
Therefore, four of the six horcruxes are already destroyed, and Voldemort’s original soul was destroyed the night he first tried to kill Harry, leaving only 2 horcruxes for Harry to find and destroy, plus Voldemort’s current body (Horcrux from Harry in book 4).
July 14, 2007
harry isn’t a horcrux. when dumbledore was glad to know that voldemort had used his blood to be reborn, perhaps he was a horcrux then, i believe that he was, but not anymore.
July 14, 2007
HARRY IS A HORCRUX. even umbledore knows it…i think that when DD says nagini could be a horcrux he is just hinting that harry could be one too….in HBP when they have to get into the cave..harry insists on dumbledore not cutting himself but dumbledore just says “your blood is worth more than mine”.
in the 4th, voldomort uses harry’s blood to come back to life. hhe doesnt want anyone to know that harry is a horcrux so he takes bone from his father and flesh from servent (scabbers). but when harry tells dd that voldomort used his blood it says “dumbledore has a hint of triumph in his eyes” or something like that. this means voldomort has made a mistake. with harry’s blood now running through voldomort he could maybe feel love. so maybe he wont need to be attacked phsyicaly in the 7th book.
if you cant face the facts that harry IS a horcrux…dont worry because harry probly wont die. there is a way he could get it out. he could get the horcrux out of himself by getting a dementor to preform a kiss and maybe drink some felix felishes and get lucky with it
July 14, 2007
Just one, possibly insignificant, little thing to mention: Hermione’s past? why is so little mentioned about it? and on J.K.’s site it says her last name was origionally “Puckle” but was changed quickly. possibly because it was too obviously HP? i dunno, somethin could be up there…
July 15, 2007
I don’t think Harry can be a horcrux because a Voldemort was almost killed when he tried to kill harry, and he already had made all of the horcruxes by the time he was properly alive again.
As for Dumbledore’s death, sure he is dead, but he isn’t gone. Sound familiar? He will probable have a significant role in the last book. He can’t be just gone, because Harry isn’t going to be able to do all of the horcrux destroying himself.
oh well. we’ve only got a week to wait.
July 15, 2007
when DD appears with a burned hand in book 6 why doesn’t fawkes heal him? There could be something to the idea that DD was all ready dead. What do you think?
July 15, 2007
One thing that is especially important to mention is the prophecy…’neither can live while the other survives’. This statement means that Harry Potter will have to kill himself inorder to kill Voldermort. Many people i have disucssed this with have said that this simply means one must dies for the other to live…but isnt that too boring? isnt that the most obvious way for a battle to end with a definitive winner? I believe that Harry Potter is himself, a Horcrux. The night of baby Harrys ‘attempted murder’ was in fact a method of placing a division of Voldermorts soul in Harry. As we all know what a horcrux is I believe that Harry is a vessel for voldermorts soul and the final test will be for the last Horcrux to be destroyed, (or the last chance for Voldermort to be resurrected is destroyed) Harry must kill himself which is supported by the peophecy ‘NEITHER can live while the other survives’. Both continue to live or both die.
July 16, 2007
Could the mirror be a horcrux of Sirius? He’s got a bit of a shady background….
July 16, 2007
doesn’t the horcrux assembly require a powerful piece of magic?
there isnt many more powerful spells than the avada kadavra curse.
Its Magic People, Anything Can Happen!
July 16, 2007
Can’t believe Ben thought i posted the last chapter of the book. Thanks for reposting it.
July 16, 2007
Doesn’t it seem likely, if not evident, that Dumbledore knew he was going to die, he would have created his own Horcrux? He infers that the Deatheaters will be lucky to die, indicating that he himself is not so lucky, additionally, he is well aware that Voldemert is frightened of him, so it would be strategically smart to be dead, indeed he tells Draco that he can hide him if Draco is dead. JK may have said that Dumbledore is “really dead” and I’m sure he is, but in the wizarding world, “dead” is not an absolute, is it?
July 16, 2007
If Harry did turn out to be a Horcrux, then maybe Harry would have to kill Voldemort twice. Once after destroying each of the other Horcrux’s and the second after Voldemort’s last bit of soul is extracted from Harry.
I also think it would be cool if Voldemort’s Avada Kedavra backfired again, except this time he was gone for good.
July 16, 2007
i really like the new theory flying around
perhpas dumbledore new the potion would turn him into a horcrux, and because he new about snapes breakable vow in the woods he new a piece of voldemorts soul would be destroyed
July 16, 2007
Its Like 5 Days to go people… i can’t wait… watched the new order of the phoenix film on sat… annoyed me with little details they missed out… Sirius’s mirror for 1… The Part In Dumbledore’s office where he Stuns The Aurors & The Part Where Cho’s Friend Has “Sneak” on her forehead… but i suppose not everything can fit into 2 hoursof film… shame really though
July 16, 2007
Doesn’t anyone think there’s something a bit more to Aberforthe Dumbledore?
July 16, 2007
I had a look for any kind of meaning of the name Aberforth Dumbledore.
This is what i got for Aberforth
“Aberforth Dumbledore: Etym: No name-specific info. Aber in Scottish placenames means “confluence” or “river mouth”, so it could mean the location of Edinburgh– at the mouth of the river Forth. ”
This is quite interesting, it may be a clue as to somewhere that harry’s quest for Horcruxes may take him, indeed, i think it is highly plausible that the City of Edinburgh may be factored into the final book somewhere. After all, hogwarts is said to be in Scotland (in one of the books i think its mentioned but i actually can’t really remember) and also JKR comes from Edinburgh.
July 16, 2007
something else i found while reading some Q+A with JKR a couple of years ago.
“What form does Dumbledore’s Patronus take?
Good question. Can anyone guess? You have had a clue. There was a little whisper there. It is a phoenix, which is very representative of Dumbledore for reasons that I am sure you can guess.
”
This relates to some discussion earlier that Dumbledore is definetaly linked to the Pheonix…Not necessarilly a dead giveaway or answer to anyones theories. But i found it fairly interesting.
July 17, 2007
I’m continuing the thought of WeasleyWizardWeazes above because it’s something I’ve thought for awhile. During the battle scene in OotP it is stated that in order to work an Unforgivable Curse it must consume your entire being. That’s why, when Harry tried to do cruciatus on Bella, all that she felt was a twinge. Because he’s not evil enough to wish that kind of pain on someone. So how is he going to do an avada kedavra? To me it makes more sense that Voldemort tries to kill Harry with avada kedavra and it somehow backfires because of the blood they share. Or something like that. I don’t know. I just have a problem with Harry actually killing someone, even if it is Voldemort. Am I crazy?
July 17, 2007
Following up on #96…
I forgot Dumbledore’s arm….
He destroyed the Horcrux in the ring.
Thus leaving only one horcrux and voldemort’s current body.
In support of the Harry is a Horcrux theory, Voldemort was left in an existence barely alive, having to use unicorn blood to sustain his existence. He tore his soul inadvertently when he tried to kill Harry.
July 17, 2007
Keeping in mind that Harry’s horcrux was used up in book 4.
July 17, 2007
JKR says that two main characters will die in book 7, that obviously could include LV… I think the other will be Lupin. He is the last remaining person Harry has left who was a CLOSE friend of his parents.
I think there’s a possibility it could be Hagrid too.
Then again, Peter Pettigrew… but he’s not a main character.
I don’t think it will be Ron, Hermione or Harry.
July 17, 2007
actually, i think it could be Neville who will die. I read in a Q+A JKR was asked who her 5 favourite characters were, she said “Harry, Ron, Hermione” then she stopped and said it was unfair of her to choose another 2 because she knows who dies and she can’t really choose characters who are going to die.
Therefore, i think it’s safe to say Harry won’t be killed off (countering the, Harry is a horcrux so must kill himself before voldemort can die theory).
-SB
July 17, 2007
In response to #115 , i think IF harry were a horcrux and IF it WAS used up in book 4, dumbledore would have had no problem telling harry that there was one less horcrux to worry about. Even if he didn’t tell him he had been one, he could have said he destroyed 2.
The only two explanations I can have of dumbledore not mentioning this idea of harry is a horcrux are A-because he’s not or B-because he didn’t want to scare him.
July 17, 2007
in a Q+A i was reading last night with JKR at Edinburgh Book Festival i think it was, she was asked something like “Who are your 5 favourite characters”
she mentioned harry ron and hermione then stopped saying that she knows who dies and she didn’t think it fair to mention people who die.
however, this was when the 5th book was released, so there’s every possibility that she could have been thinking of Sirius and Dumbledore…
July 17, 2007
sorry for the double post, i didnt realise that by changing my name slightly it would have to be approved again… :S
July 17, 2007
sorry, something else i forgot to say, i noticed looking at the front cover image of ron,hermione, harry there is someone looks like is on harrys back, holding up a sword, all u can see is a hand on harrys shoulder, the sword rising up, and a some long grey hair…aberforth Dumbledore perhaps?
July 17, 2007
Harry is definitely not a horcrux because how would the horcrux be summoned? So if Harry is a horcrux(which I doubt) it wasn’t on purpose but just read the 7th book it comes out in 4 days and there is also a chance now that you think about it that Snape does love Lily Potter
July 17, 2007
i think the graveyard is where harry’s parents are buried. is that the same on as the gof? i don’t think so. because harry says he is going back to where he was born, so that could be big deal.
July 17, 2007
Harry can’t be a horcrux….the horcruxes are designed to keep voldemort alive, but the prophecy says either harry or voldemort must kill each other in the end - voldemort won’t want to kill harry if harry is helping keep voldermort from dying….
July 17, 2007
Okay, maybe I misunderstood the books, but I never really thought about horcruxes being “used up”. I figured the soul is divided and the main part of the soul left inside the body is kept aive because it cannot die if the other lesser parts are still around. The parts in the horcruxes, though, can be destroyed because they are just fragments. Therefore, destroying thehorcruxes means there is nothing left to keep the part of the soul left inside the body alive, so the whole soul can be killed.
Thoughts?
July 17, 2007
i just understood it that, when one part of the soul dies, you have a sort of “insurance plan” to fall back on and use one of the other soul fragments as the main soul. Therefore, there would be one less(the original)
July 17, 2007
So These Are The 7 parts Of LV’s Soul:
1.LV Himself (4)
2.Nagini (3)
3.Diary (Destroyed)
4.Ring (Destroyed)
5. Locket (Possibly Destroyed By R.A.B)
6. Ravenclaw / gryffindor Item (1)
7. The Cup (2)
(The Numbers Represent The Order I Feel That Harry Will Go After The Remaining Horcruxes)
(1)He plans on visiting Godrics Hollow… so i think he will find the Gryfinndor item there…
(2) Then He Must Find The Cup…
(3) Then i feel Nagini must b second to last because shes never far from LV… I think harry will go out to find LV and Find Nagini along the way…
(4) Then Theirs LV… And I Think Harry Will Use The Avada Kedavra Curse Because… LV has taken so many people from his life… its his fault Sirius, Dumbledore & Harry’s Parents died… So he will mean it…
Once again rant Over
July 17, 2007
Harry Potter Book 7 has been leaked onto the internet!
You can download it from torrent sites.
I wouldn’t read it though, at least im not going to, its only what, 2 days? then u can read it properly instead of from rubbish images!
July 18, 2007
read all your theories. pretty good stuff. . i did have a thought since Ive now seen the Order movie and was annoyed by all they left out…so im re-reading it….in the book Mad-Eye shows Harry a picture of the original order and says something about Dumbledore’s brother…he doesnt say hes dead or anything, just that he met him once and he was odd. i wonder if he’ll make an appearance in the 7th book?
July 18, 2007
ooo also-I’ll bet Kreacher is hording a horcrux or two…especially if Regulus (pending hes RAB) found most of them.
July 18, 2007
i bet harry will kill voldemort realizes that he is a horcrux and the only way 2 destroy voldemort completely will be to kill himself
July 18, 2007
@ 93:
Now not quite. i dont think that IF harry was a horcrux (wich im almost sertant he is not), even though it would not be impossible to kill off LV. well im sure there are sertant ways and spells to remove the piece of soul captured inside a significant object (the horcrux), we know of the one way, wich harry used in the second book, CoS. he simply destroyed it by stabbing the diary with the tooth. but i think that some powerfull spells can have the same effect. that way im pretty sure Dumbledore used in book 6. he did wear it, so im pretty sure he just removed the piece of soul, and it would just be a normal ring again.
therefor.. phew, i dont think that harry would have to die if he now turned out to be a horcrux, he would simply have to remove the piece of soul from himself.
well but its all guessing, but i like the thought that he wont have to die:)
July 18, 2007
another thing..
if the scene with sirius giving harry the mirror, i cut from the new film, maybe its not important??
otherwise im sure JR would have objected when the film makers would leave it out. because she knows it would have a role to play in the final book.
or what?
July 18, 2007
yeah i agree with that statement, there are some things she objected to having removed from the film, (eg Kreacher) so i think quite clearly he will be important, but other things may not be.
July 18, 2007
Unless Its a trick… maybe Harry finds the mirror in the 6th film with the rest of his inheritance… JK likes playing tricks as i’, sure you have all noticed… and she likes dropping hints… that sometimes turn out not really to be hints but make ppl who discuss theories more happy lol
July 18, 2007
i still dont think harry was ever a horcrux
and for all of you who say he has to be since voldemort used him in the 4th book i kinda think that part of that certain spell just needed “blood of the enemy forcibly taken” other wise you would kinda have to infer that wormtail and voldemorts dad were horcruxes because voldemort used them TOO.
July 18, 2007
okay i have another thought just clarifying the fact that dumbledore doesn’t have a horcrux.
2 things wrong with that
1) jkr clearly stated that dumbledore is clearly DEAD (although i’m sure he’ll make another appearance either in someone’s memory, in the portrait at hogwarts, etc)
and
2) slughorn told voldy that you have to kill someone in order to make a horcrux
dumbledore surly wouldn’t kill someone AND he wouldn’t be that desperate to stay alive because he keeps saying how death isn’t bad and stuff…
July 18, 2007
I dont think that harry is the last horocuex.
“you wont? said voldemort quietly, and the de3ath eaters were not laughing now. You won’t say no? Harry obedience is a virtue i need to teach you before you die…perhaps another little dos of pain.” (page 662, hp and the goblet of fire)
Among this are many other hints that voldemort was planning on killing Harry, Including the fact that the priori incantatem was started with the killing spell on voldemort’s side. Harry being saved only by that fluke, he would be dead otherwise. I do not think that Voldemort would destroy the horcruz he created and i doubt he could have created one the night that harry lived.
Therefore it is my speculation that unless dumbeldore was wrong and voldemort had already had his 6 horcruex on the day harry lived, he thwarted Voldemorts plans more than he already knows, I believe that voldemort has not yet completed his set, because he was planning on making one out of harry’s death, according to dumbeldore.
Also, one last point. When snape spared harry he mentioned how the darklord wanted to kill Harry himself, I believe that this is an order given from Voldemort himself because he is still following his original plan and wants to make a horacruex out of Harrys death.
July 18, 2007
agree on 137.. its just waste of time to believe that dumbledore would make a horcrux, he’s probably the last person who would! he’s the leader of the GOOD dammit!!
July 19, 2007
In response to 134: Film maker’s may have a little “creative liscence” in the last film…so even though they cut the mirror out of the movie…they could add it in later such has Harry finding it in Grimmauld Place or something.
July 19, 2007
When Dumbledore and Voldermort are fighting in the Ministry, Fawkes suddenly appeared to save Dumbledore from one of the two killing curses aimed at him at the same time. If Dumbledore was killed by Snape, why didn’t Fawkes appear again to save him? Also I think it is mentioned a couple of times that the killing curse (can’t spell it!) kills the victim instantly and they drop dead. On the tower however, Dumbledore was lifted over the turrets by the curse. Why would this be? It is mentioned that you need to really want to carry out one of the unforgivable curses for them to work. Could it be that Snape made it look like the killing curse but didn’t actually use it?
July 19, 2007
i think that sirius will become alive again and will have a great part to play in the final book harry might not die
July 19, 2007
Can’t believe people are spoiling it from themselves by reading the pages that were leaked onto the net… seems a waste of time to me and an insulte to JKR, as i’m sure many of you will agree. I will wait till the 21st to read the book because other than it insulting JKR i would like to buy the book… atleast JKR gets some of the money!
July 19, 2007
@141, im sure that even if people read the leaked pages only a small miniority of them will not buy the book. I know that even if i were to read them on the internet, i would still buy the book and re-read it because i know i would do just that, i must have read PS about a dozen times!
July 19, 2007
There’s no proof that the leaked pages are genuine. Personally I won’t read them but if people want to, potentially ruin things, then it’s their choice. Like you I’m going to wait though.
July 19, 2007
I do not think that Harry is a horcrux. Wouldn’t it make Voldemort weaker if he had his soul part in a living thing? If harry dies then it is possible that the part of soul within him may die as well and thus part of Volemort. Therefore, it would be very foolish to make Horcrux of something that has a soul and can die.
However, then again I can’t help wonder why Voldemort and Harry are so similar.
July 19, 2007
@ 146
It mentions in Order of the phoenix that they are so similar because Voldemort decided to fulfill the prophecy… and by “Marking Him as his equal”, he transferred some of his special gifts, Parcelmouth for example to harry… The reason harry chose his wand which shares the phoenix tail feather of Voldemorts… because LV marked harry as his equal…
LV would not make Hary a Horcrux… he has tried killing Harry on numerous occasions & i’m sure if you wanted to make something a horcrux it would have to stay within a certain range so the part of soul could be placed within… i’m sure it would also require some sort of complex spell too…
But you never know JK always suprises!
July 19, 2007
What are your opinions on Fawkes becoming harry’s pet? I would definately like it to happen as it would reward harrys faithfullness in Dumbledore… but at the end of the Half Blood Prince… it says:
“And he knew, without knowing how he knew it, that the phoenix had gone, had left hogwarts for good, just as Dumbledore had leftthe school, had left the world … had left Harry.” HBP pg 589
Reading it again it seems kind of conclusive that it wouldn’t happenbut i’ll keep wishing lol
July 19, 2007
My sister and I thought of the idea that RAB is Regulus Black before we read your thoughts on it. We have some interesting evidence supporting our theory and would like to share it with you.
Heather’s version of who RAB is….
The answer is Regulus Black. It’s got to be, there’s no other person who fits He is Sirius Black’s brother, and his parents imprinted into his mind that Voldemort rules. Which he sort of does. He is the one that took and destroyed Voldemort’s Horcrux, Slytherine’s Locket. He is believed to be dead but it is possible that he is still alive and will help Harry in his quest to destroy the rest of the Horcruxes. RAB may have destroyed other horcruxes that we’re not sure about. Nothing is certain.
Gigi’s version of who RAB is…
So…who is RAB, aka the dude that stole slytherine’s locket before Harry and Dumbledor could. Heather and I wondered as we sat there, studying the books looking for the answer. Because, afterall, JK Rowling always leaves a clue….It was actually Sirius Black’s own brother Regulus Black. It fits because he tried to back out of being a deatheater. I assume he knew about Harry before he was born because he was the one Voldemort sent to overhear the prophecy, but was caught in the middle of it….after that, Regulus ran away, and I think Voldemort sent someone to kill him but Regulus was nowhere to be found, so that person pretended he killed Regulus, so everyone assumed Regulus to be dead. And then Regulus went out to seek revenge on Voldemort by destroying his horcruxes. He might have destroyed more than the locket that we don’t know about yet. He said in the letter to voldemort that he hoped when he met his match (aka Harry, his only equal) he would be mortal, and that he would have already killed all the horcruxes.
ps, we dont know if any of this is real, we just think it is….
July 19, 2007
@148
i think we’ve seen the last of fawkes sadly enough. personally ive always hoped harry would suck it up and get some kind of a really cool snake. just seems cool to me, being able to talk to ‘em and all, thats what I’d do at least. have it look around corners, enchant its fangs so it kills instantly or somethin, you know, the cool stuff.
July 19, 2007
In the third book, after Harry tells AD about how he told SB and L not to kill Wormtail, AD tells Harry he might just have gotten a friend, and Wormtail now owes HP his life. Do you think that Wormtail will sacrifice his life in DH for HP?
July 19, 2007
Also, in the first book, the other ghosts say that Peeves isn’t really a ghost!!?? Could they have been just mad at him (not wanting to associate with him) or maybe he’s really not a ghost??? Well we’ll find out soon.
July 20, 2007
i do not think that Dumbledore made a horocrux. He says that you have to murder somebody to split your soul and Dumbledore would never do that.
July 20, 2007
@152, peeves is a poltergeist, therefore he is different to the other ghosts…i think if he was that important, the JKR would have put up more of a fight to the film makers of cutting him completely from the films. (They were originally going to include him)
As for fawkes, i think maybe he has gone to Aberforth Dumbledore?
July 20, 2007
A friend has suggested that the barman of the Hog’s Head maybe Dumbledores brother. There is a reference to goats that could link the barman to Aberforth.
July 20, 2007
149
snape overheard the prophecy . . Am i mistaken?
July 20, 2007
@155 yeah, i heard that, and JKR confirmed it at a Q+A a while back.
July 20, 2007
@156, snape only overheard part of the prophecy the bit about “the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches” and whose parents had defied the dark lord three times. He didn’t overhear the “the dark lord will mark him as his equal” or the “he will have power the dark lord knows not”
If he had overheard it all chances are voldemort would have thought before heading off to kill him.
anyway…almost 8 hours…anyone else excited?
July 20, 2007
i’m so mad, i have to wait until sunday to get the book. don’t ask. but i’m still upset. so me and my sis r watching all 4 movies on dvd at home all day
lol
July 20, 2007
I think that snape is good because flashback to Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Ch.36 when Dumbledore says to Snape “Severus you know what I must ask you to do, if you are ready if you are prepared.” Snape said I am.
July 20, 2007
unde 6hours left ppl i am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited :Di hope minervan hermione survive, and hagrid their my fav’s
July 20, 2007
I’m still holding out for my theory that Harry and Hermione are brother and sister to be proven true. Not only has JKR always laughed at the idea of them eventually getting together (saying things like “oh no! of course not, you’ll see why…oh i can’t tell you” in one notable interview), but Hermione originally had the same initials as him, AND in the first draft of PS, the Granger’s were the Potter’s next door neighbors.
July 20, 2007
Niether can live while the other survives. This screams out to me that both Harry and Voldemort will die in the final battle. If Harry kills him, or Voldemort kills harry one is still alive. So if one survives the other one does too. “Niether can live while the other survives.” The thing with prophecy’s is that they can always be mis-interpreted. Ms. Rowling had probably counted on that. Ever wonder why it took 3 years to fill in the gap beween Goblet of Fire and order of the Pheonix. Dumbledore was alreday dead, and a stopper on death in book one seems more relevant now doesn’t it.
Kreacher belongs to Harry now doesn’t he? Anyone ever thought of him? For some reason Ms. Rowling thought he was so important to the plot of the books that she INSISTED to the movie people to include him in the OOTP movie. Why him? Doby was cut out of Goblet with the Gillyweed and so was Crouches elf., And Doby was the one who found the room of requirement not Neville. But anyway let me know what you all think. I know I am forgetting a bunch of stuff I wanted to think of but oh well.
July 20, 2007
#147, Mr. Olivander stated to Harry that the wand chooses the wizard.
156, Yes it was snape who overheard the prophecy or parts of it. And I think he meant to give impropper info to Voldemort. Snape is good and will prove a valuable asset in DH. He stayed at hogwarts in front of voldemort when he was in Quirel, and also in plain sight of deatheaters. Dolehov, Malfoy and others who worked at the mInistry or had other high possitions in the wizarding world.
Fawkes is gone sad but true.
Dumbledore is dead, has been for quite some time. Maybe that’s why Voldemort feared him so much.
What do you all think. Only a few more hours left. Oh boy!!!!! Now comes the time where we will all be left with our mouths agape, or happy about the ending
July 21, 2007
Snape is good!!
Does anyone think it possible that Snape had given Potions tutoring to Lily?? Maybe that’s why she did so well in potions. And why wasn’t Snape on of the faves of Sluggy? Snape had to be the best in potions when he was at Hogwarts.
I still think Snape had it bad for Lily. And LV killed her, and snape felt great remorse over the prophesy, and that’s why he moved to the good.
July 21, 2007
Okay I have something to say about this prophesy.
Neither can live while the other survives.
Could there be an OTHER who needs to die? Neville perhaps? Dumbledore said that Neville was the other boy born in July.
July 21, 2007
you idiots harry cant be a horcrux does knowbody remember the hbp when Slughorn says that you must commit a murder than say a spell to create a horcrux well voldemort would not have time to cast such a spell before his killing curse backfired.
July 21, 2007
Now Jamie what’s with the name calling even though I believ Harry could not be a Horcrux due to Lord Voldemort not having the time to make him one, but dang chill out huh.
July 21, 2007
Jamie I completely agree with you…and the book comes out in 3 hours :D. I’m rereading the Half-Blood Prince and again Dumbledore makes something quite clear.
Dumbledore believes the Voldemort did not get an object from each of the Houses. That he probably used Helga’s Cup and he definatley used Slytherin’s Ring. Then there was Nagini and the diary. To create a horecrux you must murder someone in the process. Dumbledore thinks Voldemort planned on using harry to create his last Horecrux since he was the “Child of the Prophecy” (or so he thinks). By killing Harry to make his final Horecrux he’s telling everyone he’s immortal. Yet everyone knows that things went screwy and Harry lived. Therefore Harry probably became the Horecrux.
In the second book Harry basically says: “He put part of himself inside of me?”
It explains their connection, It explains their similarites….
July 21, 2007
I am sorry if my language offended anyone who was reading post 167 i was just rtying to make my message clear.
July 21, 2007
I clearly think Hagrid will die due to the fact that anyone noe who has acted like a father to harry has died eg. Albus Dumbledore, James Potter, Sirius Black. Just a thought.
July 21, 2007
I am sorry to tell 85 that dudley cant have magical blood because he cant see dementors and did mrs figg not say she could see dementors and shes a squib.
July 21, 2007
The book was sad.
July 22, 2007
Why would you say the book was sad? I thought it had a rather happy ending all things considered. loved the epilouge, that ties off all loose ends at least.
July 22, 2007
wasn’t someone who had never performed magic supposed to perform it later in life? Did I miss something?
July 22, 2007
Now there’s no more crazy predictions to be mad and everyone can peacefully read the book
July 22, 2007
Between everybody that died and it bein that last book, it’s kinda sad.
July 23, 2007
ive jst finnished the book but i am confused, firstly who perfomed magic late on in life???
and secondly i do not undersand ware the american cover comes from? is it the final battle in the great hall at the end? or hav i jst bin completly blind and missed summat
July 23, 2007
it is the battle at the great hall. the sky is the enchanted ceiling. who cares if nobody performed magic late in life, does it really matter? i’m just appreciating the beauty of the book itself. i take my hat of to jo, or i would if i was wearing one. i just hate all the deaths. *sigh*
July 23, 2007
Aberforth was the one that performed magic later in life. It wasn’t who was just now started knowing magic, it was who kept it in for a while and now used it for good. Aberforth hardly ever performed magic as far as we know during his life the way he used it in the final battle at hogwarts. I felt like I was reading the chapter about kreacher’s tale for the 2nd time because so many people have been predicting that one right since the end of Half-Blood Prince.
July 23, 2007
i take it the child crying after harry was AKd was part of voldemorts soul?
July 23, 2007
Yes… i think so… every1 seemed quite good at predictions i must say lol… The Harry Being A Horcrux suprised me but… its all good… and i thought it was a nice little twist… would have preffered the epilogue to give more details about what harry does later in life for a living but i suppose no details were given to stop non-auther written sequels? Excellent Book
July 23, 2007
I think JKR laid the perfect trap for any rubbish fanfic writers. Giving them kids and saying that Harrys scar had not bothered him for 19yrs means that LV cannot have risen again to terrorise Harry before he settled down, and any fanfic must now be about the kids. It would take an incredible writer to make that original and not a total copy of Harry’s school days, so the only way we will get any (publisized) fanfic is if it’s not actually rubbish.
Gotta say, some of my favourite bits the book are the references to the first book. It’s the whole back-to-the-beginning full-circle feel to it that I love. Like when they’re trying to get into the Whomping Willow and Ron said if only they had Crookshanks to press the knot in the tree, and Hermione says “Are you a wizard or not?!” or something like that. Total flash back to PS. It’s a great moment!
And I totally cried when Harry thought he was gonna die, and….and….and….so many great scenes….okay, I’ll shut up now.
July 23, 2007
This is gonna sound so crazy and wrong, but I was a bit excited over Harry’s death. I mean, I thought he was going to go to the place you go when you ‘move on’ and see his parents and Sirius and Lupin and Tonks and Mad-Eye and Fred and George’s ear… Just kidding about the ear but, it would make a great ending. Like the Chronicles of Narnia, the very last book, when they all find out they are dead, and it is so beautiful. I was looking forward to seeing Sirius, not just him saying one line, because he was my favorite character. I was quite disapointed that there was no mention of Sirius’s love life, but then I would either get jeolous or convice myself wizards were real and that I was her in a past life or something crazy. I was a bit disapointed with the end, it only had mention of Harry and Ron’s family. Oh and Cassady… you knew it was coming… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I TOLD YOU SO! I NEVER REALLY CONVICED MYSELF HARRY WASN’T A HORCRUX AND HA HA I WAS RIGHT! I’M NEVER RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT I AM NOW!
Whew, sorry. I had a moment.
July 24, 2007
haha my only thought when we found out harry wasn’t really dead and the next chapter was entitled “the flaw in the plan” was “would jkr really get us all depressed about harry dying, then all excited about him living, then kick us in the ass and have him die?” And the more I thought about jkr’s plot twists, the more afraid i got…
it was FANTASTIC tho. I honestly don’t think i have a single complaint, other than wanting ron and hermione to just make out already almost the entire book…
July 24, 2007
hate to break it to you anti snape people, but i was right.
and so was everyone else that beleived in him!
July 24, 2007
Last book in the series and we still have questions…….
July 24, 2007
awwwww snape is now like my best friend.

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seriously. i cried like hell.
Snape makes doe patronus.
“All this time?”
“Always…”
AWWWWWW lol
it’s just so sad.
and the whole bit with how harry truly conquers death by accepting it “for the greater good”
man….jk’s one hell of a writer….
AND. harry’s an effing horcrux…man oh man.
but my fav. and most sad part of all, is when snape’s like “look….at….me” before he dies to harry, just to see lily’s eyes for the last time
kk, list of dead “people” (that have been previously mentioned in other books):
- hedwig
- moody
- dobby
- george’s ear
- fred
- lupin - wahhhhh
- tonks - wahhhhhh
- colin creevy (even though he’s a 6th year, i still tihnk of him as the tiny kid with a camera :D)
- snape (who loves lilly
i feel liike more people died…not sure
BEST BOOK EVER.
but if jk does write another book it better not be about their kids but instead about what happened during the 19 years
btw….was the girl teddy lupin kissed at the end bill and fleur’s kid?
July 24, 2007
oooo heh heh, in my list of dead people i forgot to mention:
VOLDEMORT…DUH
crabbe
bellatrix lestrange — ha ha mrs. weasley “you biotch!!!!”
that might be it…not sure
July 24, 2007
Yea I Never Thought of Mrs. Weasley Duelling… But She Was In The Order After All… iShould Have Known She Would Have Been A Hardcore Dueller lol… I would have liked it to have said that Harry & Ron Became Aurors In The 19years… And Kinda Confused About Teddy… It says 19 years later… yet Ted Was Still On The Hogwarts Express… Wouldn’t He Have Finished At Hogwarts?? Correct Me Please… Its Really…Really Bugging Me lol
July 24, 2007
ya i am still a little confuzed cause she never really talked about sirius’s death like i still dont get ho falling thruogh a curtain kills you
July 24, 2007
ya i am still a little confuzed cause she never really talked about sirius’s death like i still dont get how falling thruogh a curtain kills you
July 24, 2007
oops sorry bout posting that twice
July 24, 2007
Sirius was killed by the Avada Kadavra curse and then fell through the curtain, well, it was made clear like that in the film.
and as for the girl with teddy remus lupin, i think that it could have been either ron and hermiones/ harry and ginnys daughter, who could have been in 5th/6th year, teddy remus lupin whould have been about 19/20 and may have just been with them to see the kids off to school
July 24, 2007
in the book sirius was stunned and fell backwards and if he was killed with the killing curse then his body would have reappeared
July 24, 2007
avada kedavra
July 25, 2007
the girl wouldn’t be harry and ginny’s daughter, cuase james potter (jr) said that it was his cousin…i think it’s fleur and bill’s…harry, ginny, ron or hermione wouldn’t have had a kid 4 years after hogwarts..i’m sure
July 25, 2007
she had a french name, which i think was a clue she was fleurs. also, it does say teddy was just there to see her off. and the veil isn’t supposed to be explained, it’s symbolic for how little anyone understands about death.
July 25, 2007
What do you think that archway is? I know it’s some pathway to death, but I was hoping it would be explained in the 7th book but it wasn’t
July 25, 2007
They do mention when talking about the stone in Gaunts ring that when the dead were “resurrected” it was as if they were behind a veil, not quite solid but not quite a ghost either.
July 26, 2007
Yeah… I just wished she would have explained it more. When I read the fifth book that part stood out to me. I was so interested in it and it was not explained.
July 26, 2007
Harry was to nice when he saw a death eater instead of shooting a disarming spell at the he should have been shooting avada kedavra at them. They were trying to kill him they should have tried to kill them. Oh ya I respect Mrs.Weasley for killing Bellatrix Lestrage.
July 26, 2007
Ya I agree with Amy that she didnt explain the archway because of the symbolicism and I agree with Dustin any time he saw a deatheater he should have killed them.
July 26, 2007
well you guys know how fragile and Harry is and good hearted he wouldn’t want to kill anyone he wouldn’t even be able to kill Voldemort if voldemort didn’t kill himself
the saddest death in the book to me was Snapes I was sadder about his death than dumbledore’s death once I read the part about Snape’s memory :’(
July 26, 2007
I love Snape so very much now. Just to think of how much he’s been through… He was a VERY strong character.
July 27, 2007
I know Snape liked ruled I wonder if he had a proper funeral he should
I was surprised Harry named a child after him but he should Snape was a great dude his death made me almost cry and the last time I almost cried over a book was when I read a book about the Titanic
July 27, 2007
It renched my heart when Harry talked to Albus Severus. Just the fact that he named him after the two of them….
It was a good book
July 27, 2007
every1 know HP&DH was a good book
I wouldn’t be surprised if Albus Severus got the cloak
wat was the point of “Don’t duel anyone till you’ve learned how.”
It took me a couple hours to realize why Harry didn’t die and I think I could be wrong
July 27, 2007
Well explain what you think it is… It confused me also.
July 27, 2007
Voldemort has the protection in him as well as harry so since Voldemort lives Harry lives cuz the protection in both their bloods so the only thing Voldemort could kill inside of Harry was the accidental Horcrux so Harry lived but the Horcrux died
I think that made sense sorry I don’t use punctuation but I think I’m right but I’m not sure cuz of how confusing it was
July 27, 2007
Well thats how i interpreted it. What voldemort killed when he AKd harry was part of his soul, which is why he was trying to get up (he had clearly fallen over at it) when harry came to
July 27, 2007
jst wondering wt you guys think, JK said that she killed of two people that she didnt intend too in her origional plan and that one character survived that she intended to die
i think the two she killed were snape and dobby
and the one that survived was hagrid
wt do you guys think???
July 27, 2007
I think the unfortunate ones were Fred and Tonks maybe and the survivor was Draco or one of the Malfoys.
July 28, 2007
Tonks and Lupin were the ones she didn’t intend to die. She was going to kill Mr. Weasley originaly.
July 28, 2007
I have a question about what exactly did it mean when the prophecy said “Neither can live while the other survives” is that supposed to mean neither horcux nor Voldemort could live while Harry survived cuz that really confused me
July 28, 2007
it just meant neither harry nor voldemort could live at the same time. so if voldemort lived harry had to die…and the other way around.
and it was kinda true that neither could live while the other survived cuz then there would be this ongoing war, and the wizarding world would be insanely bad.
July 28, 2007
and think HP&DH was an amazingggggggggg book.
the best by far
i cried for like 3 hours after fred,tonks,lupin, and dobby died!!!!it was so sad
but i reallllllly wish she would have done more in the epilogue.like told us how the rest of teh weasleys were doing.if george continued the joke shop. a little more on the malfoys maybe. and i really would have liked to hear about hagrid professor mcgonagol and slughorn.
July 28, 2007
JK Rowling said like a while from now she probably will make a Harry Potter encyclopedia that says more on wat happens after cuz that epilogue was barely anything but at least you know there was 19 years plus more of peacefulness for Harry.
July 29, 2007
What annoyed me was they didnt explain enough in the epilouge they shpould have said what harry’s job was and what was that about percy in the epilogue.
July 30, 2007
now im super syked for that encylopedia thing to come out!!!!!!
July 30, 2007
“Harry thought he heard Percy discoursing loudly about broomstick regulations, and was quite glad of the excuse not to stop and say hello…”
-HP&DH, pg 604
Is that the bit you mean about percy?
July 30, 2007
ya but why was percy discoursing about broomstick regulations.
July 30, 2007
@223, what a productive quote, we really value that sort of contribution to the discussion,
and @222, he probably works for the ministry or something.
July 31, 2007
I was wondering, because Voldemort killed the part of him that was in Harry, does this mean that Harry can no longer speak parseltongue?
July 31, 2007
224-im thinking so. i think dumbledore was the one that said the only reason he could speak parseltongue was because voldemort and unknowingly placed a piece of his soul in harry. so that kinda implys without that piece of voldemorts soul he wont be able to speak it.
July 31, 2007
but ron sort of learned how to speak parseltounge so i bet harry still can or he could learn how to again.
July 31, 2007
My understanding was that Ron was just imatating words that he heard Harry speak in parseltongue and not he learned to actually speak it. I believe that it is still possible for Harry to speak parseltongue because he and Voldamort were related through the Peverell brothers. It never says that any of them could speak parseltongue, but they are descendants of Slitheran, so I am just guessing that he might have had this ability anyway.
August 1, 2007
Where does it say that the Peverell brothers are descendants of Slytherin but Ron didn’t learn how to speak parsletongue he just made noises that he didn’t even understand and Voldemort killed part of Harry’s soul not his brain so since he did know how to speak parsletongue Harry is probably going to continue to know how
August 1, 2007
In the 6th Book, chapter 10, page 207 Merope Gaunt tells Mr. Ogden that he is a descendant of the Pevervell family and shows him the ring with the family crest on it. Then he shows Mr. Ogden the locket and tells him they are the last living descendants of Slytherin.
Since the cloak was handed down from father to son, I am presuming that would make Harry a descendant of the Peverell family as well.
August 1, 2007
doesn’t that make Harry a descendant of Slytherin too but didn’t Merope said they were the last living relatives of Slytherin so how is Harry related to the Peverells but not slytherin
August 1, 2007
I think Harry is related to Slytherin. Merope was seemed to be a bit backward, so he may not have realized that there were other Peverell descendants.
August 3, 2007
sooo this may seem obvious to everyone else but i finally figured out how harry didn’t die and i need to tell someone because my family is very anti-harrypotter.
When Lily died, she infused a special protection charm in Harry’s blood. In book 4, Volde takes some of Harry’s blood. Therefore, even though he “kills” harry in book 7, part of his blood is still in existence. (existance?) Therefore, his mother’s protection is still in… well still exists. Therefore, he must live.
Did I finally get it?
August 3, 2007
yeah i think
voldy never realized that if he were to finally kill harry, he would risk killing himself cause of his blood…but harry didn’t die cause his mother’s protection was still alive
August 4, 2007
Harry still has the scar at the end, so how was the horcrux within him destryoed? It is possible Voldemort still lives as he has Lily’s protection in his blood. Neither can live while other survives came down to the conclusion that as long as Harry live so does Volde.
August 5, 2007
Dumbledore speaks at length in the sixth book about how the prophecy doesn’t really mean anything. He points out that, prophecy or not, Harry would still have gone after Volde, would still have wanted to kill him. The prophecy was only correct because Harry fulfilled it, not the other way around. Lily’s protection only protects Harry, not Volde, so he can’t be alive. JKR’s put that one to rest.
August 6, 2007
and the horcrux is the soul not the scar so he killed the soul but since the scar was dark magic it can’t heal but having the scar doesn’t mean the horcrux is still there
August 6, 2007
But the lighting shape could be the sign of a horcrux. There is a picture of the Gaunts ring with a lightining bolt in the middle.
August 6, 2007
voldy’s dead. the end. lol
and voldy has lily’s protection in his blood, but it is of no use to him. lily doesn’t protect voldy and doesn’t keep him alive. all dumblydore was saying was that lily’s protection was still living, keeping harry safe and alive.he also states that the horcrux within harry is dead.
jkr clearly states that voldy is dead when the elder wand refused to kill his master and backfired
August 7, 2007
the Gaunts ring didn’t have a lightening bolt, it was the resurrection stone with the circle, triangle, and vertical line connected. That was kinda a HUGE part of the 7th book.
August 7, 2007
yeah the scar was never a sign of a horcrux a horcrux doesn’t have a sign you can just sense the heavy magic and harry just appened to have a scar but it wasn’t because he had the horcrux in him
can someone tell me where in book 7 does voldemort say how harry’s parents die I want to reread it
August 7, 2007
aww that part was soo sad, but i think it was at the end of the chapter godric’s hallow, after they jump out of the window, it’s easy to spot cause it’s italisized remember?
August 7, 2007
ohh ya thanks
August 9, 2007
Its actually at the end of “Bathilda’s Secret”
August 14, 2007
they didn’t mention harry’s grandparents.Dumbledore was pleading to snape because they had planned it .Dumbledore had to die.Why do you think that after voldemort told nagini to kill snape that he gave harry the memory for him to see in the penseive?He had to show harry why he did not like him.because if lily potter hadn’t tried to save him she would have never died. And snape was in love with her. He had to show harry why he hda showed great dislike.Dumbldore had to die because he was harry’s mentor.That’s the way it had to happen.
August 16, 2007
Why isnt Peeves in the movies
August 17, 2007
I hope when they make a movie of the last book, its a 2 Part movie to explain everything properly. Order of Phoenix was to rushed and some of the plot points important for the last book were not shown.
April 18, 2009
The deathly hollows are from the Pervell brothers when they met Death. The deathly hollows are:
The cloak of invisiblity (Harry’s Cloak)
The elder wand
The resurection stone (Marvolos ring)
The deathly hollows have nothing to do with the
horocruxs
Read The tales of beedle the bard or wikipedia
(deathly hollows)
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