My Harry Potter Conspiracy Theory posts have gotten ridiculously popular, all receiving over 500 comments - a couple getting close to 1000. So I thought I would have one last attempt at coming up with Potter related theories.
Actually that's a bit of a fib, I'm not going to be coming up with any. What I intend to do is write down my thoughts based upon the vast swathes of comments that have been posted on here over the last couple of years, picking out what I think are the most interesting.
RAB IS Regulus Black
There is pretty much no point having this discussion anymore. The fact that the RAB initials are different in each language, each time the B being replaced with the letter that starts the respective countries word for Black, is more than enough proof for me. Let's move on shall we?
Dumbledore
Dumbledore IS dead. No question there. Rowling has said so and I don't think she would lie. However I do think that we will see him again, whether in a photo, a painting, the pensieve or through some other method - he is bound to make an appearance.
One comment caught my attention though. The idea that Snape was killing Dumbledore at the end of the book was actually a false hood. Snape didn't kill anyone, because Dumbledore was already dead!
The theory basically goes that Dumbledore died between books 5 and 6, at the same time as he received his blackened hand. Snape kept him alive (I will teach you how to put a stopper on death), and the argument Harry hears between Snape and Dumbledore is Dumbledore telling Snape he does not need any more of the death stopping potion.
Deathly Hallows
I haven't seen much discussion on here regarding the Deathly Hallows, but when I posted about the Deathly Hallows release date there was one comment that caught my eye.
It seems to point to an appearance of at least some of the characters previously killed off (namely Sirius) since hallows in defined as “the Oct. 31 Greater Sabbat, also called November Eve, the Celtic Samhain (â€sow-enâ€); the beginning of the Celtic winter, and of the Celtic year; the beginning of the Witches’ Year, when the Veil Between the Worlds grows thin and the spirits of the dead may return to Earth; the Descent of the Goddess to the Underworld; the final Harvest festival.â€
Unfortunately I've not found anything to back this up but if it's true then it brings up some interesting questions. For example the veil between the worlds could very very easily be the veil in the Ministry of magic through which Sirius fell, and if it grows thin... maybe we could see Sirius again?
Interestingly, according to Wikipedia, the book title is slightly different in Swedish and in Japanese due to issues with translation.
Harry Potter and the Relics of Death, which in Swedish is rendered as Harry Potter och dödsrelikerna. Japan also experienced difficulties translating the title and used the alternate title, too. Translated from Japanese, the title is: "Harry Potter and the Secret Treasure of Death"
I think based on the new titles there are others things we could be talking about here. The best explanation for the title I can find is on the Deathly Hallows Wikipedia page.
Horcruxes - Is Harry the last?
Not entirely convinced about this one but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. I just don't like the idea... can't explain why, it just doesn't seem right to me.
Other questions...
Below I've listed a few other things I think may be worth talking about.
- Wormtail - He owes Harry for saving his life (Sirius and Remus wanted to give Wormtail to the Dementors) is he going to return the favor?
- The smashed mirror - I don't know if this is significant or not. Some say that this is supposed to represent Harry ridding himself of connections with his only living relative, but I wonder if there is more to it. The mirror itself was only mentioned briefly, then forgotten about so why bring it up at the end of the book if it had no real importance. I am firmly of the belief that JK has done everything for a reason, so am waiting for the mirror to be explained.
- Fawkes - The phoenix is clearly still alive since we see him at Dumbledores funeral. I'm sure he has a part to play in things, especially since Phoenix (what's the plural of phoenix?) have the ability of rebirth...
- Graveyard I don't remember it being mentioned in the books before, but do remember a quote from a documentary about one of the films (Prisoner of Azkhaban I think) where they said they couldn't add a graveyard because JK had plans for it elsewhere...
So what do you think?
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Yeah... I just wished she would have explained it more. When I read the fifth book that part stood out to me. I was so interested in it and it was not explained.
Harry was to nice when he saw a death eater instead of shooting a disarming spell at the he should have been shooting avada kedavra at them. They were trying to kill him they should have tried to kill them. Oh ya I respect Mrs.Weasley for killing Bellatrix Lestrage.
Ya I agree with Amy that she didnt explain the archway because of the symbolicism and I agree with Dustin any time he saw a deatheater he should have killed them.
well you guys know how fragile and Harry is and good hearted he wouldn't want to kill anyone he wouldn't even be able to kill Voldemort if voldemort didn't kill himself
the saddest death in the book to me was Snapes I was sadder about his death than dumbledore's death once I read the part about Snape's memory :'(
I love Snape so very much now. Just to think of how much he's been through... He was a VERY strong character.
I know Snape liked ruled I wonder if he had a proper funeral he should
I was surprised Harry named a child after him but he should Snape was a great dude his death made me almost cry and the last time I almost cried over a book was when I read a book about the Titanic
It renched my heart when Harry talked to Albus Severus. Just the fact that he named him after the two of them....
It was a good book
every1 know HP&DH was a good book
I wouldn't be surprised if Albus Severus got the cloak
wat was the point of "Don't duel anyone till you've learned how."
It took me a couple hours to realize why Harry didn't die and I think I could be wrong
Well explain what you think it is... It confused me also.
Voldemort has the protection in him as well as harry so since Voldemort lives Harry lives cuz the protection in both their bloods so the only thing Voldemort could kill inside of Harry was the accidental Horcrux so Harry lived but the Horcrux died
I think that made sense sorry I don't use punctuation but I think I'm right but I'm not sure cuz of how confusing it was
Well thats how i interpreted it. What voldemort killed when he AKd harry was part of his soul, which is why he was trying to get up (he had clearly fallen over at it) when harry came to
jst wondering wt you guys think, JK said that she killed of two people that she didnt intend too in her origional plan and that one character survived that she intended to die
i think the two she killed were snape and dobby
and the one that survived was hagrid
wt do you guys think???
I think the unfortunate ones were Fred and Tonks maybe and the survivor was Draco or one of the Malfoys.
Tonks and Lupin were the ones she didn't intend to die. She was going to kill Mr. Weasley originaly.
I have a question about what exactly did it mean when the prophecy said "Neither can live while the other survives" is that supposed to mean neither horcux nor Voldemort could live while Harry survived cuz that really confused me
it just meant neither harry nor voldemort could live at the same time. so if voldemort lived harry had to die...and the other way around.
and it was kinda true that neither could live while the other survived cuz then there would be this ongoing war, and the wizarding world would be insanely bad.
and think HP&DH was an amazingggggggggg book.
the best by far
i cried for like 3 hours after fred,tonks,lupin, and dobby died!!!!it was so sad
but i reallllllly wish she would have done more in the epilogue.like told us how the rest of teh weasleys were doing.if george continued the joke shop. a little more on the malfoys maybe. and i really would have liked to hear about hagrid professor mcgonagol and slughorn.
JK Rowling said like a while from now she probably will make a Harry Potter encyclopedia that says more on wat happens after cuz that epilogue was barely anything but at least you know there was 19 years plus more of peacefulness for Harry.
What annoyed me was they didnt explain enough in the epilouge they shpould have said what harry's job was and what was that about percy in the epilogue.
now im super syked for that encylopedia thing to come out!!!!!!
"Harry thought he heard Percy discoursing loudly about broomstick regulations, and was quite glad of the excuse not to stop and say hello..."
-HP&DH, pg 604
Is that the bit you mean about percy?
ya but why was percy discoursing about broomstick regulations.
@223, what a productive quote, we really value that sort of contribution to the discussion,
and @222, he probably works for the ministry or something.
I was wondering, because Voldemort killed the part of him that was in Harry, does this mean that Harry can no longer speak parseltongue?
224-im thinking so. i think dumbledore was the one that said the only reason he could speak parseltongue was because voldemort and unknowingly placed a piece of his soul in harry. so that kinda implys without that piece of voldemorts soul he wont be able to speak it.
but ron sort of learned how to speak parseltounge so i bet harry still can or he could learn how to again.
My understanding was that Ron was just imatating words that he heard Harry speak in parseltongue and not he learned to actually speak it. I believe that it is still possible for Harry to speak parseltongue because he and Voldamort were related through the Peverell brothers. It never says that any of them could speak parseltongue, but they are descendants of Slitheran, so I am just guessing that he might have had this ability anyway.
Where does it say that the Peverell brothers are descendants of Slytherin but Ron didn't learn how to speak parsletongue he just made noises that he didn't even understand and Voldemort killed part of Harry's soul not his brain so since he did know how to speak parsletongue Harry is probably going to continue to know how
In the 6th Book, chapter 10, page 207 Merope Gaunt tells Mr. Ogden that he is a descendant of the Pevervell family and shows him the ring with the family crest on it. Then he shows Mr. Ogden the locket and tells him they are the last living descendants of Slytherin.
Since the cloak was handed down from father to son, I am presuming that would make Harry a descendant of the Peverell family as well.
doesn't that make Harry a descendant of Slytherin too but didn't Merope said they were the last living relatives of Slytherin so how is Harry related to the Peverells but not slytherin
I think Harry is related to Slytherin. Merope was seemed to be a bit backward, so he may not have realized that there were other Peverell descendants.
sooo this may seem obvious to everyone else but i finally figured out how harry didn't die and i need to tell someone because my family is very anti-harrypotter.
When Lily died, she infused a special protection charm in Harry's blood. In book 4, Volde takes some of Harry's blood. Therefore, even though he "kills" harry in book 7, part of his blood is still in existence. (existance?) Therefore, his mother's protection is still in... well still exists. Therefore, he must live.
Did I finally get it?
yeah i think
voldy never realized that if he were to finally kill harry, he would risk killing himself cause of his blood...but harry didn't die cause his mother's protection was still alive
Harry still has the scar at the end, so how was the horcrux within him destryoed? It is possible Voldemort still lives as he has Lily's protection in his blood. Neither can live while other survives came down to the conclusion that as long as Harry live so does Volde.
Dumbledore speaks at length in the sixth book about how the prophecy doesn't really mean anything. He points out that, prophecy or not, Harry would still have gone after Volde, would still have wanted to kill him. The prophecy was only correct because Harry fulfilled it, not the other way around. Lily's protection only protects Harry, not Volde, so he can't be alive. JKR's put that one to rest.
and the horcrux is the soul not the scar so he killed the soul but since the scar was dark magic it can't heal but having the scar doesn't mean the horcrux is still there
But the lighting shape could be the sign of a horcrux. There is a picture of the Gaunts ring with a lightining bolt in the middle.
voldy's dead. the end. lol
and voldy has lily's protection in his blood, but it is of no use to him. lily doesn't protect voldy and doesn't keep him alive. all dumblydore was saying was that lily's protection was still living, keeping harry safe and alive.he also states that the horcrux within harry is dead.
jkr clearly states that voldy is dead when the elder wand refused to kill his master and backfired
the Gaunts ring didn't have a lightening bolt, it was the resurrection stone with the circle, triangle, and vertical line connected. That was kinda a HUGE part of the 7th book.
yeah the scar was never a sign of a horcrux a horcrux doesn't have a sign you can just sense the heavy magic and harry just appened to have a scar but it wasn't because he had the horcrux in him
can someone tell me where in book 7 does voldemort say how harry's parents die I want to reread it
aww that part was soo sad, but i think it was at the end of the chapter godric's hallow, after they jump out of the window, it's easy to spot cause it's italisized remember?
ohh ya thanks
Its actually at the end of "Bathilda's Secret"
they didn't mention harry's grandparents.Dumbledore was pleading to snape because they had planned it .Dumbledore had to die.Why do you think that after voldemort told nagini to kill snape that he gave harry the memory for him to see in the penseive?He had to show harry why he did not like him.because if lily potter hadn't tried to save him she would have never died. And snape was in love with her. He had to show harry why he hda showed great dislike.Dumbldore had to die because he was harry's mentor.That's the way it had to happen.
Why isnt Peeves in the movies
I hope when they make a movie of the last book, its a 2 Part movie to explain everything properly. Order of Phoenix was to rushed and some of the plot points important for the last book were not shown.
The deathly hollows are from the Pervell brothers when they met Death. The deathly hollows are:
The cloak of invisiblity (Harry's Cloak)
The elder wand
The resurection stone (Marvolos ring)
The deathly hollows have nothing to do with the
horocruxs
Read The tales of beedle the bard or wikipedia
(deathly hollows)
I have been thinking about the film, and then the book, and have realized that when Snape kills Dumbledore, he hesitates before saying Avada Cadavra-(sorry dont know spelling).
I think that the scar that voldemort gave harry 'is' a hawcrux