Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
July 17, 2005 | Harry Potter
So… anyone else read it yet?
I bought my copy late Saturday morning, there were loads of copies available, and a rather miserable looking witch handing them out. I bought my copy in Bexleyheath, which is fairly close to where I live, and Alan Rickman was due to make an appearance and sign copies of the book. I couldn’t be bothered to wait around (he was already late when I decided to go home) but I must admit, having now read it, there are a few questions I would like to ask him.
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince (HBP) was up to JK Rowlings usual standard. The story was incredibly easy to read (one of the reasons I finished it so quickly), and very well written.
Before we meet up with Harry (chapter 3) there are a couple of chapters that fill in gaps and refresh you on events that have happened in the previous books, it’s certainly a very different start to any of the other stories in the series. Considering the fear surrounding the return of Voldemort and the Death Eaters (sounds like a goth band) I felt things seemed a lot lighter than the miserable darkness that enveloped the previous book, things seem better in Harrys world anyway. Harry has stopped shouting at everyone and is starting to enjoy life again, his joy is short-lived though and once you finish the book you will realise that the final book will be very different to anything that has come before.
Everyone knows that someone is going to die in this book, it’s been well publicised, and before I started I was convinced I knew who it would be. Unfortunately my suspicions were proven correct. In fact more than one person is killed but, with the Death Eaters on the rampage, that’s to be expected. The main death is a lot sadder and more final than Sirius death in the Order of The Phoenix (OOTP). To tell the truth I thought the way Black was killed in OOTP was a bit of an anti climax and didn’t seem very final at all. The death in HBP is anything but and you know this person won’t be coming back; at least not in a physical way…
The Half Blood Prince is something (someone) else entirely, I entertained a lot of thoughts about the identity of this character including the person it turned out to be, but it was still a little surprising to find out who it was. I think the reveal, like Blacks death, was a bit rushed though and more of an after thought than anything.
There are plenty of other questions still to be answered, although a lot of the things mentioned in past books have now been resolved. The big one though concerns 3 initials, R.A.B, who could this be? I’m pretty sure I know, although it could be considered a spoiler, so I’m going to blank out my brain farts below (highlight if you want to know what I’m thinking)
R.A.B = Regulus Black - we know he was killed by Voldermort/ his supporters and I can’t see R.A.B being someone we haven’t had any mention of before, there is no way a new character would be used for something as important as this. Of course this is my gut feeling and I’m probably way off the mark, only a year or three to wait and see if I’m right… sigh.
I didn’t think about it until I had finished the book but I can now see what Rowling meant when she said that some of the themes in HBP were originally going to be in Chamber of Secrets. I think she made the right decision keeping these things until now, the overall story would have been very different if they had been revealed earlier.
Feel free to comment away but be warned that I will remove any spoilers posted, I don’t want to ruin other peoples enjoyment - at least not yet. Ok - I give up - anyone who didn’t hilight the content above, DON’T read the comments, it seems like lots of people agree with me 
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July 18, 2005
I think RAB is Sirius’s brother. Take away the middle inital, and the name works. Regulus Black. I know Regulus is a coward, but maybe finding out about the Horcrux made him that coward that made him get killed by Voldemort or on Voldemort’s orders? Maybe, the cowardly black brother destroyed the horcrux, or maybe, convieniently, it’s hidden at #12 Grimmauld Place?
July 18, 2005
So you agree with me then - I’m guessing you didn’t highlight the empty patch above?
July 18, 2005
I agree that R A B has got to be Sirius’s brother. I assume Harry wil have to get the truth out of Kreacher (with the help of Dobby?).
Wild guess but I reckon one of the Horncruxes (the goblet) will be at Malfoys home - perhaps even Draco is turned away from the Dark Arts and even helps HP?
So just the final showdown with Voldemort and the snake Nagini (plus the Death Eaters, werewolves,etc) - well HP’s knowledge of Parseltongue could come in handy.
July 18, 2005
loved the book finished it within 5hours of buying it! jk rowling has a brilliant way of making you laught one minuet and then making you cry the next! book was both hilarious and sad! i had the exact same thought about who RAB was am just trying to find out if there is any mention of this persons middle name or anyone in his family he could have been named after! sooo sad at the end i am such a big girl and cried my eyes out! and the identity of HBP i had an inkling that it would be this person! bring on book 7! but i do wish that harry could have stayed with his new girlfriend! plus ron snogging!!! lol never laughed so much in my life!
July 19, 2005
I did highlight on both; it makes a lot of sense. Especially with the further mention of him being killed so quickly after getting out of Azkaban, and the other DE taking nearly a year to be found. We’d heard only casual mentions of him before this and she made the especial point of mentioning him being killed and when.
July 19, 2005
Rowling does indeed enjoy returning characters from the supposed grave. And additionally, she leaves many semi-obvious clues as to the direction of her writing.
Having just finished HBP last evening, I’ve been re-reading for clues, along with some data-mining.
The author here does a little astronomy research and finds, what I believe is an incredibly important bit of information. Sirius (the star) is in the constellation Canis Major, canis is latin for dog. Regulus happens to be a star in the constellation of Leo, which as we all know, is a lion.
Based on those 2 facts and a little faith in Rowling’s writing style, I put forth the theory that Regulus, like Harry, was given the option of Slytherin or Gryffindor House, and chose Slytherin. His heart however, was true to the spirit of Gryffindor and when he realized exactly what Voldemort and the Death Eaters were, his true self won out and he set himself on the task of finding Voldemort’s horcruxes. Thus, yes, he is “R.A.B.”. Again, based on Rowling’s penchant for surprise appearences, I would posit that Regulus is alive and still hunting down the horcruxes.
July 19, 2005
rab go figure haven’t read anyone with those initals or its probably briefly mentioned in a previous book im gonna go look happy reading!
July 19, 2005
Not only do I agree with you that RAB is Regulus Black but I also agree that the Horcrux was at #12 Grimmauld Place, that is until Mundungus “stole” it. If you reread the section of Order of the Phoenix where Harry helps clean out the house you will find a section where Harry and the others empty out on old cupboard. Inside they find, among other things, a locket that no one can open. I believe this may be the locket Regulus took and it is now in the possession of an unsuspecting Mundungus.
July 19, 2005
I agree with Kesh about who R.A.B. is. Also…. SPOILER ALERT (maybe) and I don’t know how to make it highlightable so DON’T READ IT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO KNOW IT… I think R.A.B. is most likely who Kesh said but IF NOT it might be Borgin or Burke.
July 19, 2005
I completly agree with you i was reading the book and just as i read the RAB initials i thought the black family. So (not being as…. familiar with their family heritiage) i went on the internet and found Regulus Black on the family tree. Also before he dies dumbledore mentions to Malfoy that he can “not be killed if he is already dead” and elaborates that to get away from Voldemort he could allow the Order to hide him. I think perhaps Regulus Black could have been hidden in a similar way when he tried to leave the Death Eaters. Or as kesh said he could have obtained the Horcrux before he died and then be kill That is just my thoughts though they are probably WAY OFF
July 19, 2005
very much agreed– RAB has to be Sirius’ brother.
July 19, 2005
It took me about a day, but I think you’re right about R.A.B.
July 19, 2005
I was searching various HP sites, and went to a page headed “Dark Objects” or something like that. I was skimming the page looking for possible Horcruxes, and there was a list of various objects from Number Twelve Grimmauld Place and came across “a locket that refused to open.” I also have suspicions that R.A.B. is Regulus, so this could definately mean something. (Remember that the false Horcrux was a locket.) The locket from Grimmauld Place is not described, though I am going to look for it in HP Prisoner of Askaban as soon as I find my copy.
July 19, 2005
aha its probably regulus black but its all speculation
July 19, 2005
I also agree (I stared at R.A.B. for ages before thinking of him) mainly because I can’t think of anyone else who has those initials..
July 19, 2005
I think that RAB could possibly be Regalus Black (you know… Sirius’ brother) But, in the books it said that Regalus was killed by Voldemort himself. I think I’m jut repeating what you said already… Sorry.
July 19, 2005
Well, it would kinda make sense… if he was a coward he wouldn’t stand out much in school, which explains why Hermione can’t seem to find him in the school’s records. But on the other hand, how would he have enough courage to get through drinking the poison in the cave? I mean, you’d think if Dumbledore couldn’t get through it alone, nobody could. So he would have to have had a partner… which leads us to yet another question… who?
July 19, 2005
Since two people were needed to fetch the locket what about the possiblity of the A standing for AND.
July 19, 2005
I agree with what’s printed above- for some reasons.
I always thought this was the case and I’m glad some agree with me.
1. In the message, it says the “Dark Lord”. As Harry points out in OotP, only Death Eaters call Voldemort that.
2. He says I ‘face death’ as though this was definitely going to happen. How could he know he was going to die unless he betrayed Voldemort? And secondly, the remainder of the sentence is “in the hope that he will be mortal once more” means he want to see him vanquished thus adding more weight to the reason printed above.
3. Sirius says his family was ‘dark’ and how could R.A.B know what a Hocrux is if he hadn’t the exposure to powerful Dark magic.
July 19, 2005
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July 19, 2005
if you read the OOTP chapter ‘most noble and anciet house of black’ (or something like that), it says Regulus was killed by Voldemort himself, or at his orders. I don’t think he was a coward, i think Voldemort found out what he was up to. If it isn’t Regulus, this info seems superfluous…. I think JK was laying the ground work for a later reveltion, isn’t taht what she usually does?
July 19, 2005
Looks like everyone agrees
July 19, 2005
I agree with you on the fact that RAB might be Regulus but when Sirius is telling Harry that he was killed by Voldemort or on his orders he makes it sound like the latter was much more probable due to Regulus not being important enough. Having said that, seeing the way JKR likes to “reveal”characters she has already touched upon this element of the unknown probably makes Regulus the more likely.
July 19, 2005
What about Snape? Is anybody here who still thinks he is trustworthy? I believe he is and his “deed” was a kind of fake
July 19, 2005
I wonder if Snape, like Harry, was told by Dumbledore to do what he had to. I believe Dumbledores last words were a plea for Severus to do what he had to do rather than a plea for help.
July 19, 2005
its soo sad tht dumbledore died…i wonder wut the horcux from gryffindor or ravenclaw is??
July 19, 2005
Me too, I think Snape is doing what he had to do. He knew he had to kill Dumbledore and didn’t think he could do it.
July 19, 2005
RAB if its Regulus Black is the alter ego of Sirius. Harry is the alter ego of Voldemort (what does voldemort mean? perhaps reverse death?). Is Regulus Sirius’s brother- or is it Sirius himself?
I was thinking that maybe RAB should be read BAR… Maybe we should consider a time twisting thing too- that somehow the scene of the locket and the death of dumbledore will all be played again or has been played before - that the next time we see it there will be s different outcome.
But what I really think is related to something said in the HBP that you have to keep fighting evil all the time- that it never ever goes away. So I believe that Harry is a horcrux- carries some of Voldemort within him and has to overcome that evil within himself and it is that that he will do in the last book. He hates snape but he has to overcome his hate and forgive him. He won’t kill voldemort completely because then both of them will die- he will vanquish all the other bits of voldemort but he himself will retain the bit within himself and good will out balance evil in Harry
July 19, 2005
I also think it’s Regulus Black because I had this notion ever since I read Book V when Sirius was talking about him. I got really curious at what he meant by ” From what I found out after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out…”
What do you think Lord (Insert-name-here) tried to make him do?
I also want to stress out James’s case because I really believe that RAB stands for Regulus (Insert-any-middle name-with-an-initial-A-here) Black
July 19, 2005
Hi, if RAB is Regulus, how did he get the Horcrux on his own? Sure dumbledore couldnt have even got it on his own, and he said it would take 2 people so harry did well, so how did he???? is he working with someone?
July 19, 2005
I agree that R.A.B. is Regulus Black. One because his name fits the initials at least the first and the last. I don’t believe it is a Bones because most of the have been killed as we found out in HBP. I also don’t believe it could be Borgin or Bourkes.
As Regulus was also a former death eater i believe that he may have found out about the Horcruxes. But the reason for destroying them and killing Voldemort i am not sure, maybe he was part of the department of mysteries and even his family didn’t know about it. Also possibly discovering about the Horcruxes could have got him killed and therefore because Sirius says he was killed on Voldemorts orders or by him it must have been an extremely bad for Voldemort who hardly ever kills death eaters personally
I also have a theory then on where or what the missing horcrux could be. If Regulus was high enough he may have been asked to hold the Horcrux for Voldemort or possibly someone even more loyal Bellatrix who could have asked her cousin to hold onto it. Therefore by betraying the trust of Voldemort may have been killed
This leads me to believe that the Horcrux could have been a piece of the black family silver wear. The silver wear that was stolen by Mundungus. That is why this part of the book is relevant. The whole book is a set up book and the fact that Mundungus steals the silverwear has no importance in any other way but the happiness of harry and therefore would be irrelevant otherwise
July 19, 2005
I agree that Snape is acting on Dumbledore’s order. Dumbledore always hold his head up high and throw in a sense of humour when facing his enemy. Look at his attitude toward the other deatheaters compared to what he said to Snape. I think he really beg Snape to kill him for other’s good (including Snape’s, who’s on an unbreakable vow, and perhaps, Draco’s) Furthermore, think about what he said to Harry before Draco appeared: go and get snape, DON”T talk to anybody else (including other members of OotP???). Snape is definitely Dumbledore’s man. Another question, why does Snape have to throw Dumbledore of from the Astronomy Tower when he killed him? There must be a reason, right?
July 19, 2005
If there is still a Black family member alive, how could Harry get the elf?
July 19, 2005
Never mind… Kreacher went with RAB. RAB died from the poison. Kreacher took the locket back to the house…
July 19, 2005
I believe that it was Regulus’ mission to place the locket in the Pensieve, meaning he never had to drink the poison, he understood the meaning behind the horcrux and decided to make a switch.
July 19, 2005
Got another theory: Dumbledore is actually dead, but he ordered Snape to kill him. That’s what they were arguing about. By killing someone, Snape can then use a Horocrux. Snape is indeed a spy for Dumbledore, and Dumbledore knows that Snape has made the ultimate sacrifice by making the Unbreakable Vow - by saving a little piece of himself, Snape can then come back.
July 19, 2005
Ok, i firmly belive that the locket found in no. 12 grimmwould place was the horcrux. Why else would JK just randomly go into such detail about it. Its like the opal necklace. JK did mention it in the chamber of secrets. Its her style to go back to things that were left unanswered but to miniscule for the reader to care. Like when JK described the opal necklace in the chamber of secrets im sure nobidy thoght twice about it. Also the same with the locket in no 12. Grimm. Also if the locket found its way into no. 12 grimm. then it must have been taken by a member of the Black family. After all harry is the first non-black family member to won it. Also on the whole R.A.B subject, remember that there are still four (?) more to be found and destroyed. The locket, being only one, i think is not as big of a deal as say, when we find out what the horcruz is that dumbleodre was not certain of.
July 19, 2005
Does anyone know why Dumbledore was thrown of the astronomy tower after he was killed? Because harry was the last to leave the tower, so someone went back up. And heres some far fetched idea: Possibly the person who threw him off the tower also switched the real hocrux with the fake possibly to keep it safe because it was abviously meant to be destroyed. Also i think that a switch had to have been made because when the locket was taken from the bowl of poison, harry didnt do anything to tell us that is was a fake, meaning it was the real thing. but then again, while he took the locket he was being attacked by hundreds of dead bodies controlled by voldemort……………so maybe his mind was on other things than checking for authenticity.
July 19, 2005
btw, what are the other names of Rosmerta? is that a surname?
July 19, 2005
There is also “uncle Algie” who is mentioned a couple of times in connection with neville longbottom
neville might also have a future role to play
July 19, 2005
I was reading through the comments and i laughed my head off at the comment ” I think Harry is hot”.
I do think that RAB might be Regulus but I hope it isn’t because the 7th book might be ALL ABOUT RAB and I don’t want to read it if I know already who RAB is. (That sentence might have been a run-on.)
July 19, 2005
I am bummed that Harry broke up with Ginny. It is like Spider-man all over again. They have to get back together!!!
July 19, 2005
i think it is blacks brother… oviously it has to be someone who was already mentioned in the book atleast once… 2 out of 3 of the initials fit.. i dont think it was a conincidence that there was a locket at #12 GP….
this is the first time the thought that snape didnt want to kill DD has come to my mind.. it is really something to think about here… hm…. and about the astronomy tower… maybe DDs body that they found on the ground wasnt really his… its a lil far fetched (maybe im just in denile that hes really gone i_i *sniff* ) but i guess all is possible….
also i think HBP has all been ground work for the 7th one… there wasnt a big major battle in it, but alot of important events happened.. i think shes just getting everything in order to get us ready for the 7th one… whitch i am eager to see… can anyone believe its almost over ioi!!
July 19, 2005
i’m also very disappointed with the whole harry/ginny thing. (a whole bunch of shippers will soon set fire on my house…woops). i don’t know, it just seemed very sudden and not well developed. i guess the reason why i disliked it the most is because the original trio of harry, ron, and hermione kinda turned into a….quadro?…because now ginny is here and it’s the four of them talking about voldemort, the four of them hanging out…you know? i just always liked the thought of just the three. and the whole breakup between them seemed too…cheesy and overdone? but i was pleased with how jo ended the story with just the trio again, loyal as ever.
but don’t get me wrong…i LOVE the book, it’s just this little thing. so please, harry/ginny shippers, don’t set my house on fire….!!!
July 19, 2005
To pick up on what someone said about what Dumbledor said to Malfoy: “He can not kill you if you are already dead. … we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine … Nobody would be surprised that you died.
So … what if Dumblrdore is not dead but had Snape “hide him in death”, or a spell that emulates death? Dumbledore is rarely if ever wrog, why should we think he was wrong about trusting Snape?
July 19, 2005
harry&ginny have to get back together! they’re just soo cute!
does anyone else think that maybe snape was acting on dumbledors orders to kill him? maybe dumbledor knew he had to die inorder for harry to go on and defeat voldy. dumbledor knew about the unbreakable vow snape had made and ordered him not to break it and help draco kill him. this would mean that snape would still be able to gather info about voldy and also help harry out at the end during the final battle?????
July 19, 2005
Alright, so from what I’ve read, we all agree that regulus hid the locket, snape killed dumbledore cause he was ordered to (hence the arguing in the forest) and Harry and Ginny should get back to gether. I only got one question, does anyone know what dumbledore was talking about while drinking the potion “KILL ME”, it might be ireleveant but I’m just curious on your opinions.
July 20, 2005
ok…i am struck dumb, cant believe that hes gone…:(…my thoughts are that R.A.B. are regulas black…though i had always kinda thought of him as a scrub…but the letter said dark lord, which would make you think that he was a death eater…i also second the thought that there really would be no point in mundungus jacking the black heirlooms if it didnt matter later on…i wish that the above post was right about dumbledore just being hidden, but i think that fawkes would know if it was a fake….maybe dumbledores portrait could shed some light? like obe-1 use the force harry
July 20, 2005
I think that this is how it will play out in book 7: There will be a hunt for the remaining Horcruxs’ (obviously). The book will finish with HP’s scar as the penultimate Horcrux. Snape/HP will face off; Snape will reveal his unrequited love for Lilly (the only other who could match him in potions) and the fact that he has been working for Dumbledore all this time. Harry will be forced to choose between his hatred for Snape and his need for an allie against Voldemort. He will forgive Snape as he will recognise that love is stronger than hate even if that is Snapes love for his mother and in a final stupendous battle Snape will sacrifice himself so Harry can kill Voldemort. Harry returns to Godrics Hollow to live HFA with Ginny. The end.
NB I am not sure how to rationalize the scar into this story BUT I am sure that it is a (the eighth?) Horcrux. After all when Voldemort died at the same time the scar appeared - coincidence or not?
July 20, 2005
During Hary’s persuit of Snape. Snape was arguing with some one about not wanting to do it. Who has any opinoins about this?
July 20, 2005
I also think that RAB is Sirius’ brother, Regulus Black, so that would mean that the R is Regulus and the B is Black. The middle initial A could possibly stand for Alphard, who was an uncle of the Black brothers. the note left in the fake Horcrux was addressed to the Dark Lord, only the death eaters call Voldemort the dark Lord; Regulus was a death eater. Also the note says that the horcrux will be destroyed, but if it hasn’t i think that it is in #12 Grimmauls Place, as there is a sentence related to a necklace in the Order of the Phoenix
July 20, 2005
i think dumbs trusted snape so much because he made him take the unbreakable vow to protect harry when he first confessed to telling voldermort about the prophecy.
Also whats the deal with dumbledore and aunt pertunia?
July 20, 2005
Regulus is the first thing that popped into my head.
July 20, 2005
also i think that sirus black will return. his death was very different, i think jk rolwling left it likle that so he could return. also i think severus snape is not evil, he knew if he had not finished off dumbledore then his cover would be blown. - again siddy_2005@hotmail.com
July 20, 2005
I don’t think, to be honest, that the lightening scar is a Horcrux. If it were, Voldemort would have retrieved it when he took Harry’s blood since at that time he fully intended to kill Harry
The lightening scar is simply where Voldemort “marked him as his equal”…. although this is a fantasy series so anything could happen, eh? 
July 20, 2005
hey its me again! i’ve just had a crazy thought. maybe harry potter is linked to star wars. in star wars episode lV obi wan kenobi lets himself get struck by darth vaders lightsaber. in harry potter maybe dumbledore did what obi wan did, sacrafise himself to indiacate to harry to keep on continuing where he left off
July 20, 2005
It might be possible that Snape used his skills in Occlumency and Legilimens to make himself believable in front of Voldemort. He never really answers to Bellatrix as to why he never killed Harry when he could, only that he would be sentenced to Azkaban if he was found. This sounds rather weak an excuse.
Also in his final confrontation with Harry in the last pages of the book, he never harms him or causes him any pain, simply reflects away Harry’s spells, every time Harry attempts to unleash one. And he does so, while giving him the advice “blocked again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed”. It is likely that he intends to warn him as to how to face stronger wizards in the times to come.
Finaly of all the insults of Harry there is one that Snape particularly seems to protest against: when Harry calls him coward. A death eater who has just killed Dumbledore wouldn’t care less for such an insult in view of his triumph. However, a man of Dumbledore who would have to decide to kill him on Dumbledore’s own orders is certainly not deserving the title “coward”.
Snape might be the man that Dumbledore worthly trusted.
July 21, 2005
Do you think Harry might have a part of Voldemort’s soul in him somehow? And in the end Voldemort can only be killed if Harry is killed as well! I know it’s grim but would be interesting!
July 21, 2005
alright so i agree that the locket mentioned in sirius’s old house is the horcrux that rab stole. i think that mundungus’s theivery was relevant because he’s gotten ahold of the locket and sold it. thoughts?
July 21, 2005
maybe there was no replacememtn for the gryffindor horcrux, there was just; the locket, the goblet, the snake, voldemort, ravenclaw, the diary and harry, instead of gryffindor. or maybe harry is like a distant relative of gryffindors, so technically, his scar being a horcrux could also be a horcrux of something of gryffindors
July 21, 2005
and i also wondered what dumbledore meant, when after drinking the potion, he started crying: Kill me instead, don’t touch them…
i’m sure that duml. is finally and resolutely dead, as the Fawex has sang the song and left the lands of Hogwarts.
Did Harry nad Ginny really split up?! I got it as if she refused to, and said, she would stay with him any way
i am afraid that in book 7 Ginny might be killed, and Harry drived berserd, on the rampage, will destroy the horcruxes and tear voldemort to pieces
July 21, 2005
maybe it’s the ghost teacher, Professor Binns..
not sure what his first name is.
July 21, 2005
also, in dumbledores memory when voldermort came to ask him for a job, harry was worried cause voldermort made a movement towards his wand.. maybe he cast a spell on the gryffindor sword in the office to make it a horcrux??
July 21, 2005
Also, Gryffindor sword cannot be a Horcrux. The Horcrux is created at the time of killing an innocent and it was alleged to be extremely difficult.
I do not think there is a seventh Horcrux, or if the seventh Horcrux is Harry’s scar (explains Harry’s powers and ability to see into Voldemort’s mind (soul)) then it immediately became six. Wouldn’t Voldemort have lost a soul when the curse backfired? Didn’t that soul die and he only survived because of those remaining?
July 21, 2005
I just read some other theories. I am impressed with, and agree with, the theory that Regulus was given the task of placing the locket in the cave. Voldemort, in his arrogance, would never guess that someone would not do his bidding and figure out the significance of the locket. Regulus placed the fake locket in the cave and kept the real one himself as leverage for when he wanted to leave the Death Eater’s. Then he dies. Locket is at house and either Kreacher has it in his cupboard or Mundungus stole it, and possibly sold it to Tom the barkeeper (Is that who he was talking to).
July 21, 2005
Hi there!
Tell me, if i’m wrong, but i’ve started quite a nice theory:
We know that Harrys mother died for him, so he could survive the avada curse from voldemort just by the love his mother gave when dying for him.
as dumby was probably quit sure that love is stronger than death, he must have know, that the only way to kill voldy, would be to let him kill himself.
as we’ve learned, you have to be a really bad person to do one of the 3 bad curses, and dumby surely didn’t want harry to become that evil.
so the only way harry could possibly win against voldemort would be to backfire the killing curse back to him.
the only problem with that theory is, that harrys mother died by the hands of the man that tried to kill harry as well (that is where her lovespell worked). dumby didn’t. the question is now, if you can die by the hands of anybody and still protected someone against spells of a certain wizzard.
voldemort came back to life with the help of harrys blood and probably thinks that he is save to kill him now that harrys mothers lovespell doesnt affect him anymore.
but noone of the deatheaters saw or could know that dumby died for the life of harry. and voldi is probably bold enough to think he wouldn’t do the same mistake twice
July 21, 2005
My last thoughts, Vold lost a soul when curse backfired (1). Then he used a horcrux to stay alive enough to take over Quibble and stay around in books 1-3 (2) Ring destroyed (3) Locket (4) Hufflepuff Cup (5) Ravenclaw (or snake) (6) Harry’s scar (7).
Not sure about the scar, but I cannot think of another object.
July 21, 2005
Alrite for one the only reason DD feels the horcruxes have something to do with all 4 houses is because that is the flare he usually adds. There is no reason it has to be that way. Whatever max said they went to hogwarts to kill dumbledore not harry your theory is bogus. Are you telling me none of the death eaters saw harry and had a chance to kill him.
July 21, 2005
Let’s see…the Horcruxes are for sure 1) the diary, 2) the ring, 3) locket?, 4) ravenclaw, 5) gryffindor, 6) hufflepuff… Are there 6 or 7 of them? I was wondering this because in order for Voldemort’s soul to be split up in seven parts, he himself would have to keep 1/7 of it, leaving 6 Horcruxes…..that’s why I don’t think that Harry’s scar is one, and then also to create a Horcrux he kills someone, and I just don’t think that Harry is the last Horcrux…. but yeah…just my thoughts haha.
July 21, 2005
Julie, I forgot about the diary, good point. Was the dairy definitely a horcrux? I agree that Vold would have to retain 1/7 of his soul, but I think he lost that portion when the curse backfired after trying to kill Harry. Leaving 6 souls now. So, if diary gone and ring gone, plus Vold current soul, that leaves 3. (1) Locket (2) Hufflepuff cup, and (3) Ravenclaw object, Griffyndor object, or the scar (but I agree that it is not likely the scar). But Vold did technically kill someone at the time the scar was created, himself (but that would not be the death on an innocent).
July 21, 2005
I have to recant a little,
If the snake is not a horcrux, there are 2 unkowns.
July 21, 2005
Additional thoughts about rab and the locket. As DD said, the task in the cave needs two people - one is the qualified, magically very strong wizard, and the other is the unqualified wizard, or can it be a creature whose power doesn’t qualify as the wizard’s? Than can mean that rab, Sirius’ brother, brought Kreacher along to help him - another reason HP should return to Hogwarts.
July 21, 2005
I may be completely wrong here, but when Vold was resurrected in book four, and there was that spell thing with wormtail’s arm and harry’s blood, and his father’s bones, was a horcrux involved then too??
July 21, 2005
You all forget that SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE, he used a unforgivible spell. No matter what happens in the next book, im still going to hate snape.
Also, in the next book will harry come back to hogwarts? He said hes not going to, but it will be strange if he doesn’t.
Only the final book can answer all our questions
July 21, 2005
oh and i almost forgot…. my theory on the horcruxes:
Harry is or has a horcrux inside him. (scar)?
Maybe to defeat Vold, harry has to die?
Wouldn’t that be a twist eh?
July 21, 2005
OOP’s i left out the Snake in DD’s Suggestions
July 21, 2005
(Diary, Ring, Current Vold.)–Guarenteed
(Sly Locket, Huf cup)–almost Guarenteed
(Snake, Rav obj, Grif obj)–HP/DD’s Suggestions
(Harrypotter/Scar)– good suggestion
The objects from Rav and Grif are the 2 objects i doubt being one of the Horcrux’s the most
July 21, 2005
i think the last horcruxes could be one of the thnigs voldy stole as a child or p[ossibly his wand or somethnig like that
July 21, 2005
whatever it is though 9im sure its somethnig that is very personal to him, maybe sometnig to do wit his mother even…a lost heirloom maybe?
July 21, 2005
you know what the thing is - with dumbledores death we know that he wont come back in any phyical form, but i reckon sirus may come back, and that falling through the veil sent him to some other realm or something else but hje will return.
July 21, 2005
revulus.a. black resaons -
1. note said “to the dark lord” - only voldemorts supporters called him that.
2. the initials match.
3. voldemort himslef killed revulus. - and voldemort only killed people in person when they had done something really bad.
dumbledore could not have got the fake locket if harry hadn’t forced the potion into his mouth, i think revulus used kreacher for this and made him drink it, which is why kreacher is so weird, confused, brain damaged. kreacher is an important character because otherwise harry would not have inherited him, jk rowling did this so that now that kreachers master is harry he cannot lie to him and harry will find out kreacher nows something and question him.
ALSO HAGRID WILL DIE - THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED ARE ALL SET IN A PATTERN.
SIRUS BLACK - (SURNAME MEANING COLOUR “BLACK”)
ALBUS DUMBLEDORE - “(ALBUS MEANING WHITE) - THE WHITE TOMB.
HAGRID - (RUBY RED)
and one of the horcrux is in well was in #12 grimmauld place, and the reason they showed mundugus selling the goods from sirus’s place is because he sold one of them.
July 21, 2005
Why did Dumbledore freeze Harry before he died? Harry could have possibly helped. This makes me think that Snape was indeed acting on Dumbledore’s orders. (and is not evil?)
Wishful thinking, perhaps…any other explanations for why he did it?
July 21, 2005
Ok…so Dumbledore said that he needed Harry to get to the amulet in the bottom of the water. So wouldnt it have taken 2 people (RAB) to get to it originally?
And if it was Black, dont you think he would have mentioned it to Dumbledore?
I’m thinking RAB = R and B since two people were needed to get to it. Could be “R” and “B” - B standing for Black.
July 21, 2005
waitingfor#7 doesnt know what he is talking about, but i do wish to know what dumbledore ment by kill me instead any ideas?
July 21, 2005
I like the theory posited by 34 and 35 which state that Kreacher went with him, but regulus couldn’t have been killed by the potion because he died at either Volde’s or a death eaters hands. Meaning that Kreacher drinking the potion would make sense. Then If regulus didn’t care much about the house-elf, he would not have disturbed the water to save him, but instead would have left without screwing up the water. Obviously he would need some skill just to get that far, even if he didn’t need skill to avoid the inferi.
July 22, 2005
Just a thought. DD states that the DADA position is in fact cursed. If this is the case, why would he let SS take the job unless he knew that he would be leaving at the end of the year. I think DD’s death had been planned to protect Snape and Draco. Bella was not the only one doubting Snape. I also think that DD is not dead. Harry thought he saw a Phoenix at the funeral while DD’s body (which we never really see) was burning.
Opinions?
July 22, 2005
i think “siddharth” is mad
he’s either JKR or RAB
July 22, 2005
i think RAB is
Riddle Albus Bellatrix
July 22, 2005
NEVILLE
I like Sidd arth’s analysis but everyone is forgetting Neville. Neville could easily have been ‘marked’- he is under some sort of spell but noone knows it- but it explains his inept behaviour. Afterall his parents were both Aurors which means his genes are good- there is a reason for his being how he is and its an imposed reason.
July 22, 2005
This is a very long stretch, but Rowling has been known to link names with animals (Sirius, Lupin, etc.). With all the references to his “lion-like” appearance, is it possible that the mysterious Rufus Scrimgeour could be Regulus in disguise? Even I highly doubt it; he’s too old, but you never know…
July 22, 2005
I believe (as well as many of you do, it would seem) that R.A.B is Regulus Black. Perhaps the A. could be from Uncle Alphard (see page 111, Order of the Phoenix), who, assuming that Regulus Black did desert Lord Voldemort, would be a fellow “blood traitor”? Nymphadora Tonks and Sirius Black have also commited acts that would make the Regulus suggestion plausable. Perhaps it is not one, but a whole generation or “blood traitors”? Finally, Kreacher never made any mention of or kept any trinkets formerly belonging to Regulus, who, you would think, he would hold highly. I apologize for the double posting and hope you don’t mind my intruding on this forum; I just thought you might like to take these thoughts into consideration.
July 22, 2005
The whole Snape killing Dumbledore thing could be fake, I agree. Perhaps the ultimate sacrifice by Dumbledore to keep Snape undercover? Also good point #86 about the pheonix. They are commonly associated with revival or renewal.
July 22, 2005
Well… just for fun.
R.A.B. could be someone else. That’s what I thought first. So I searched for people with b-names and to my surprise I found to persons who do have something to do with the cave.
The two kids Riddle took there when he was young. There names both start with “b”. I mean it could be one of there children, which could have magical powers. It’s possible. But I don’t believe in it as much as I do in the Regulus-idea.
Just wanted to show a new aspect…
July 22, 2005
Snape killed D- against his will but because D asked him to. Why- that is to be revealed.
BUT Snape is still protecting Harry…he wont let Harry perform an unforgiveable curse. Theres a crucial line in which he says so. Why not - only because he must keep harry good.
Someone above asks who threw D off the tower- he fell at the moment of death.
Is D dead? The connection with the Phoenix is too important for the matter of him reappearing to not be worth considering. The phoenix features very importantly- the tail feathers donated to TWO wands; the whole symbolism associated with a phoenix - the phoenix does not die when D dies…I reckon we have to wait for this to be explained.
But what abut Neville’s wand- cherry and unicorn. Its mentioned obviously- isnt Harry’s cherry and Phoenix? V’s is Yew and phoenix…. so there are still unexplored connections. What is Nevill’s role? I think its worth thinking about
July 22, 2005
Maybe Neville will take revenge for his parents. I mean Bellatrix can not live on just like that. I think she’ll die soon, as well as Wormtail…
July 22, 2005
Just a though…but the person who took the real locket would know about the prophecy. How many people actually knew what the prophecy said, either partial or in it’s entirety? Harry and Dumbledore knew the whole prophecy, but Voldemort (who heard a partial-recently revealed-from Snape?), Snape (who heard partial by listening at the door), and possibly Voldemort’s Death Eaters. Who else would have known about it when Voldemort went after Harry’s parents? If we can narrow the list, we might could figure out R.A.B.’s identity?
July 22, 2005
Also…I like the mention of the Phoenix representation of renewal/rebirth. The casket bursting into flames could represent Dumbledore’s rebirth. Dumbledore could have been an animagus, too. And the phoenix Harry say might have been Dumbledore? Another thought…why could Harry understand the merpeople’s song? I thought only Dumbledore could understand them? Could Dumbldore’s spirit have been reborn in Harry?
July 22, 2005
If RAB is Regulas Black, he must have taken the locket before Vold kililed him.
Could Vold have killed Regulas BECAUSE he was stealing the horcrux’s?
Does this mean the horcrux’s are back in Vold’s possession?
0.0
July 22, 2005
having another thought here, didnt Dumbledore think that voldermort was going to make the last horcrux at godricks hollow when he murder the potters but this was obviously not possible because the curse backfired, so i reckon he only suceeded in making 6 horcruxes rather than his intended 7…any thoughts?
July 22, 2005
post 66 has it right. That is what will happen no doubt in my mind
July 22, 2005
I think Harry is the 7th horcrux.
I know this theory has been stated, but it’s a good one. Not only is it possible, Lily being the innocent necessarily killed for the transposing of a portion of Voldemort’s soul, but it explains the reason behind Harry’s connection to Voldemort. The Parseltongue, angry snake-like feeling when confronting Dumbledore in OOTP, etc. I think it would be excellent for the climax of the 7th book to be an internal struggle for Harry, perhaps even after killing the corporeal Voldemort, and for Harry to defeat the evil residing inside of him his entire life once and for all.
July 23, 2005
Okay, i’m confused, i just finished, did harry break up with ginny in order to protect her. O and a question to everyone, do you think they’ll end up back at hogwarts if it reopens despite what they said?
July 23, 2005
Oh ya, and also i believe that harry himself is a horcrux. wouldn’t that be interesting, because he has the skills of voldermort, so it is very possible
July 23, 2005
And also, does Dumbledore have a portrait of the old headmasters and headmistresses, if so, harry can still talk to him
July 23, 2005
speaking of horcruxes, i believe that Dumbledore has one.
before you start saying “Dumbledore’s not a murderer!” think about this. he has a phoenix that keeps dying, and whenever phoenixes die, they’re reborn. i believe Dumbledore killed Fawkes, and once Fawkes was reborn, Dumbledore placed his horcrux inside of Fawkes, just in case circumstances didn’t turn in his favor.
and on the subject of Snape, i’m not convinced. as Snape was closing in on Dumbledore, Dumbledore was pleading for mercy. this is Dumbledore, for crying out loud. surely a man like himself would go down firmly, especially if it was planned.
July 23, 2005
I don’t think Harry is the Horcrux. Here’s why:
We don’t know what the 5th Horcrux is (remember, Voldemort himself is the 7th, and Nagini is very likely the 6th because it explains Harry witnessing the assault on Mr. Weasley), however, we do know that Dumbledore suspects that Voldemort was going to make his 6th Horcrux when he killed Harry. However, he failed. Therefore, the item that was originially supposed to be the 6th Horcrux should still be at the Hollow.
Therefore, when Harry goes there he will find an artifact of either Ravenclaw or Gryffindor (my guess is the latter). Whichever one he finds, that means the other is the 5th Horcrux. Here, then, is the Horcrux list, in likely order of separation (we’ll count Voldemort as the 7th):
1: Tom Riddle’s Diary, destroyed
2: Gaunt Heirloom Ring, destroyed
3: Slytherin Locket, last seen at 12 Grimmauld Place in Order of the Phoenix
4: Hufflepuff Cup, whereabouts unknown
5: Artifact of Ravenclaw or Gryffindor, likely former, whereabouts unknown
6 (original): Artifact of Ravenclaw or Gryffindor, likely latter, theorized last seen in the Hollow
6 (actual): Nagini, last seen with Voldemort, however, has been known to leave Voldemort’s presence
7: Voldemort his own self
July 23, 2005
When I say Snape was trying to TEACH Harry, I don’ think he made it obvious when they were fighting at the end. Although I think he was hinting at Harry that he had to master NON-VERBAL spells to really have the edge he will need later on. As I remember Snape kept deflecting Harry’s verbal spells so easily, and kept taunting and retorting with harsh feedback.
July 23, 2005
Ok here is what I think:
*We know that Snape is skilled in reading minds,(think its called legilimancy or something) and that Dumbledore is skilled in nonverbal communication (or simply projected his thoughts effectively enough for Snape to tap into them). Could have he told Snape to kill him?
‘Severus….’
‘Severus please’ etc.
*By Snape killing Dumbledore (his orders) TWO lives would have been spared in return (possibly more, explained next). It would have protected Draco (who hints at wanting to leave the dark lord), who would probably would have been killed by the other Death Eaters (and if not them, then certainly Voldemort) for not killing Dumbledore. Also there was also the possibility Voldemort would have Draco’s family if Snape had not killed Dumbledore (mission success for the dark lord).
*This would have explained Dumbledore’s “pleading,” as Rowling calls it. I can’t fathom Dumbledore pleading for his own life from ANYONE, even someone he trusts like Snape.
Furthermore, by Snape killing Dumbledore, Snape would also live, as he has carried out the necessary promise obligated via his ‘Unbreakable Vow’. This would allow Snape to continue his double-agent cover which could prove invaluable further down the light side. Could he have been “pleading” with Snape to kill him?
*Perhaps Snape was very much willing to sacrifice his life for Dumbledore. Which is why he made the Unbreakable Vow almost immediately.But what if Dumbledore tells him, no, that Snape must kill him so that Snape can continue to be a double agent so that Harry can be protected? What if Dumbledore tells him that, when it comes down to it, he must kill Dumbledore? Dumbledore knew he was fading, that his powers were already diminishing (his hand was already injured when Snape made the vow–Snape tells the sisters so at that time).
*Under this theory, the reason why Snape appeared so infuriated at the moment of killing Dumbledore might have been because he didn’t really want to kill him. He didn’t want to do it, even though Dumbledore told him he must (again, I think they could have been reading each other’s minds). This is when Dumbledore pleaded, assuring Snape that yes, his mind was made up and that he was ready to die. Snape was angry because he had to kill Dumbledore FOR Harry’s benefit.
* Also other things that add to this possible theory. During the fighting, Snape merely defended himself constantly from Harry’s VERBAL spells– -he did not ATTACK Harry per se. Even though he told the other that only Voldemort is to kill Harry - how could Snape’s boiling animosity not have been unleashed by at LEAST hurting Harry, he simply used shields and parries. One exception is his final spell, which blasted away Harry’s wand, however, was still defensive.
* Also remember the argument Hagrid overheard between Snape and Dumbledore - a very heated argument. Possibly about Dumbledore ORDERING Snape of such a possibility arising where he would have to ask Snape to kill him.
*My understanding is that Snape understands WHY Harry must be protected, and knows it must be done , but he doesn’t like it, because of his many issues with Harry and James. (explaining his infuriated look at Dumbledore asking Snape to kill him).
*And this is also implicated when Snape is absolutely enraged at being called a coward after doing what he was asked to by Dumbledore etc.
Hope you find this food for thought interesting.
July 23, 2005
Chris:
Harry’s breakup with Ginny, however cliched was (in Harry’s mind) his way of ensuring Ginny’s safety. In the sense as he explained ‘Voldemort uses people he loves against him’ etc. Whatever.
July 23, 2005
CBW, I think your ideas are apt, but I have some other possible theories. I don’t think DD’s death was planned - I believe Snape killing DD was a POSSIBILITY that he and Snape discussed if such circumstances arose (as they did). However, I believe Snape took the Vow knowing full well he might die, but was ready to sacrifice himself for DD. Remember DD asked for Snape and Snape alone when he arrived at Hogwarts. It was simply unlucky that Snape was caught in such a compromising situation (possibly a situation DD had discussed in the ‘heated’ argument). He simply followed DD’s orders which they could have possibly discussed earlier on if the sitation arose.
July 23, 2005
Snape’s taunt: ‘blocked again and again, until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed’
. Teaching Harry to develop his non-verbal spell casting and his skill in Occlumency before he can take on the deadly DE’s and V.
July 23, 2005
Harry Can’t be a Horcrux. The prohecy says one has to die. Technically He could have made the HOrcrux after killing his parents but Even Harry Said he saw green form The aveda Kedavra curse. So that means Voldemort Tried to kill Harry. Why make something you want dead a HOrcrux?
July 23, 2005
On the contrary, Harry can to be a horcrux. Despite what the prophecy says, One HAS to die, if harry is a horcrux he has to die in order for voldermort to die. Even if harry saw the green light from the aveda kedavra curse, it could be a memory of voldemort, Voldemort could of split his soul and harry’s soul and put it together to make harry who he is, Dumbeldore said, “That night, he somehow transferred some of his powers to you.” Having part of voldemorts soul inside harry’s body along with his soul would give the the memories, temptations, and powers that voldemort has. And also, Voldemort didn’t want harry dead in this book, the death eater said, Keep Potter alive, we must keep him alive, or something similar.
Just a possibilty
July 24, 2005
I agree HP can’t be the horcrux. in ootp voldy couldn’t even possess him without pain. plus voldy did not know that there was a connection between him and HP. and in GoF HP defended himself from voldy’s imperius curse. obviously HP is not controlled by voldy, unlike his real horcrux, Nagimi.
I wonder if there are really 7 of them. I think voldy planned to use killing HP the time to creat the horcrux. slughorn said there’s a spell to make it. if voldy had to say the spell after the killing, he didn’t manage it because the curse backfired. so 1) voldy, 2) nagimi, 3) diary, 4) ring, 5) locket, and 6) Huffulpuff’s cut. 3) and 4) were destroyed. 5) was last at 12 GP, so HP inherited it, unless Mundungus sold it already. the locket that has Slytherine’s mark and wouldn’t open - that means DE will be into getting it. if it’s still at 12 GP, most likely Kreasher(who helped rab get the locket from the cave) should know what won’t work to open it, so will help HP opening perhaps. as for Huffulpuff cup, i feel that getting it will involve what HP’s parents did for living somehow. also, to destory horcruxes, HP will need slughorn’s help - slug knows about voldy making them(from the memory), and i think he knows more about horcrux than what he told voldy. and he has connections.
Snape killed DD on DD’s order, and this will help the order ultimately. with his death DD’s portrait will be everywhere in magical world so that’s an advantage for the order. and by having Snap kill him, Snape has earned the ultimate trust of and access to Voldy, which can help the order find/destory the rest of horcruxes and killing voldy at the end. i also think DD’s tomb might have added some more magical power/protection to hogwarts and to HP so HP should return to school.
July 24, 2005
I’m pretty sure the locket was among the things that Kreacher stashed in OotP. Can anyone verify that?
July 24, 2005
I have few opinions also. I think that after Snape heard the prophesy and told Voldemort about it and came back to DD and confessed what he had done, DD made Snape to do unbreakable vow to help Harry defeat V or keep Harry alive or both. You remember how Snape was doing a countercurse in the first book during the quidditch game while Orave was trying to make Harry fell from the broom. He was doing his vow? And why Snape went back to DD? I bet Lily Potter was only person Snape had respect (because she was the only person who could beat him in potions [and that's why JKR made Slughorn praise Lily the whole book ;)]). Maybe they were even friends and studied potions together? That’s why James was always breaking Snape’s balls. That’s why DD always trusted Snape. Snape want’s to revenge V that he killed Lily Potter and so he has to help Harry even if he hates him (or does he really? His hate towards Harry felt always very real..). That RAB and Kreacher theory makes sense! Sirius said that Kreatcher is like he is because he had been so long alone with the picture of her mother but that is once againg so JKR. I believed that was the case but now I think that poison theory makes much more sense!!
July 24, 2005
Perhaps Harry WAS a Horcrux - but Voldemort removed it from him when he returned to life at the end of book 4?
July 24, 2005
Snape really is acting on Dumbledor’s orders. Dumbledore told snape to kill him to win the trust of Voldemore, but they were arguing b/c snape didnt want to. also, THE REASON WHY DUMBLEDOR FROZE HARRY was b/c he didnt want hp to interfere while snape kills him. what do u hav to say about this?
July 24, 2005
I agree that Dumbledore made Snape take the Unbreakable Vow to protect Harry Potter. If he really hates him so much, he could kill him all these years and make it appear as if it were Voldemort. I also agree about Snape being in love with Lily. That’s the reason why he hates James so much. He stole the only thing he really loved. I cannot wait to read the last one and cannot believe it will be the last one, either. I refuse. I am rereading the previous books to see if I can verify if Regulus is actually R.a.b. I also thought about madam rosemerta.
July 25, 2005
Notice that Snape NEVER speaks of Lily to Harry. He ridicules James and Sirius and the Maruders, to get Harry’s blood boiling, but never talks about Lily.
Also notice “Snape’s Worst Memory”. We know that James and co. teased and messed with Snape on pretty much a daily basis, so what made this one special? Lily tried to help him, he called her a mudblood, and then she told him “Fine. I won’t bother in the future. And I’d wash your pants if I were you, Snivellus” The incident with Lily made this scene different.
JKR was asked in an interview if Snape had ever been loved. She said he had. -Was it by Lily?-
She was also asked: Was there anyone else present in Godric’s Hollow the night Harry’s parents were killed? JKR: No comment. -Oohh, thats exciting-
Also, I agree with Amrick- thats exactly what I thought/think.
July 25, 2005
except, why would V make Harry a horcrux, since he obviously wants to kill him, that would be automatically destroying 1/7 of his own (V’s) soul. He can’t keep Harry alive with him forever. Plus, Dumbledore said that it was really unusual and dangerous to make even something like Nagini a horcrux, because it is within a mind of it’s own, going where it pleases and having the power to kill itself or get itself killed! Good point?
July 25, 2005
lol and love to all harry potter fans snape suks and dumbledore dies this is a really dark and ad book
July 25, 2005
to theman1: i think your theory fits well although there was a flash in snape’s pensieve that harry saw when lily tried helping snape from james’ pranks then snape didn’t appreciate it. maybe it’s just me, but it seems like a loophole in your theory. just a thought.
no hard feelings.
July 25, 2005
oh yeah. i think that the guy’s regulus, too. and it MAY be hidden in number 12 OR it could be one of the things that mundungus stole. just a thought. lol
July 25, 2005
could smebody please tell me what hold DD has over aunt Pertunia to make her take Harry?
July 25, 2005
Raisa: If you were a talented wizard being teased by other wizards, and a female ‘witch’ attempted to save your ass - I think you would also feel at least slight emberassment and/or contempt? Just a thought. No hard feelings.
July 25, 2005
ezzy: He has no hold, except the memory of her sister Lily to tag her along unwillingly. Plus he put that spell over their family when he left Harry there if you read HBP. lol.
July 25, 2005
ezzy - as amrick said DD does’t have any hold on Petunia. as per hbp DD ASKED her and her family to take HP in. and as per ootp Petunia is the only one in the family who appreciates the seriousness of the matter involding Lily, HP, and Voldy. she clearly understood the consequesnces has she refused to take HP in.
July 25, 2005
I’m not sure if Lily loved Snape - he might have liked her but resented the fact that he did, because she’s a muggleborn. and I’m not sure about Snape making an unbreakable vow to DD to protect HP - can one make two unbreakable vows - even if they may work against each other?
anyway i’m dying to know what made Lily love James from hating him. Any thoughts?
July 25, 2005
I don’t know why Snape would’ve taken the Unbreakable vow for Harry, he doesn’t even speak well of “Potter” around Dumbledore when he wasn’t “dead”. I like the idea he could be an animagus, or that something sneaky happened, but I’m ready to accept that he’s dead. I also heard that Harry is going to die in the last book…any comments?
And I still think Snape is okay, not just because he’s sexy, I think Dumbledore has a secret just between him and snape that we all didn’t get to hear yet.
July 25, 2005
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July 25, 2005
has anyone else made the connection that lily died before james? in gof when the priori incantatum happens between the two swords, james comes out first and says “hold on your mother is coming.” this means he died after lily. any thoughts?
July 25, 2005
Does anyone have an answer to why didn’t Voldemort try to kill Neville instead of Harry after he heard the prophecy?
July 26, 2005
I think it was an arbitrary decision, unless there is some variable JK is going to reveal in #7.
July 26, 2005
in the book, I think it said that Neville had the Chosen One potential, but his life took a different direction and Harry ended up coming out on top, but Voldemort found out later. I don’t know why, but J.K. was in Harry’s head thinking that Neville could have been in his place, but something happened…I’ll reread that section.
July 26, 2005
mf #132 - James dies before Lily. The section you mention from GoF is a well known continuity error and it was fixed in later editions.
There’s been a lot of speculation on here and the post has been so popular I’m going to have a go at putting together my own consipracy theories.
July 26, 2005
I think that in that interview JK said that one horcrux (an unknown I guess) was already in HBP… I’m rereading the book to get an idea, but what do you think?
July 26, 2005
i think the horcrux that was in HBP was probably the hufflepuff cup? but i dont know?
July 26, 2005
i totally agree that RAB is Regulus, and that the fact it was Kreacher who assisted him in getting the locket. If you notice, only one of age wizard can cross to the island in the middle because the boat can measure how much magic is allowed, dumbledore explains. However Voldemort would not ever believe a house elf to get past his defence and definitely would not regard him as an equal therefore a house elf would be able to ride in the boat, aka kreacher with regulus. From there Regulus would order Kreacher to drink the liquid and he could not disobey, Bosch job done for Regulus.
July 26, 2005
me again. a theory my friend came up with was that Gringotts wizarding bank has got a bigger role to play in the story, and i agree. ive re-read PS and the emphasis they put on the security there is amazing. Fair enough this helps us know how dark the wizard must be who managed to try and thieve from there, but there were no dragons seen. YET they put so much emphasis on dragons being there as guards, aswell as other things. My friend and i was thinking how cool would it be if there was a horcrux in gringotts and harry or whomever had to retrieve it and escape in a scene which would be highly action-packed and written in only the way JK can write it? Any thoughts?
July 26, 2005
Post 85- Good stuff.
If Kreacher was used to drain the Basin so that Regulus could take the real locket then it would give added poignancy to something Slug says when they are drinking wine after Aragog’s (the big spider) burial. He says that he has had the House ELves taste all the wine to check for poison and Harry remarks on how annoyed Hermione would be if she knew Elves were being used for this purpose…..
July 26, 2005
What if the potion (from the cave) was a horcrux? Dumbledore would have been drinking part of Voldemort’s soul. He needed to be killed to get rid of the horcrux, and so he needed Snape immediately. DD froze Harry so he wouldn’t stop Snape. I really think that Snape deflecting Harry’s curses and telling him to keep his mind closed- he could have easily hurt Harry- could be an indicator that Snape is still good.
July 26, 2005
guzai 133 - i also think it was the decision Voldy made without much thoughts/knowledges as to which one to choose. the important factor about the prophecy is that voldy didn’t hear the whole thing of it and he made the decision based only on the part he heard from Snape. i feel that his decision making may have something to do with Lily and James, which may be revealed in book7. I will have to read that section on ootp, though.
July 26, 2005
i hav found out from someone that RAB is meant to be backwards e.g BAR I ALSO KNOW HE/SHE IS MENTIONED IN THE 3RD BOOK AND HE IS IN THE ORDER OF THE PHONIEX AND HE WORKS AT THE MINISTRY AND NOW WORKS CLOSE TO aRTHUR WEASLEY IN HIS NEW JOB
July 26, 2005
Does anyone else think that Aragog possibly has a larger role to play as well. I mean, he made appearances before, and I think that perhaps he is a Horcrus, because he was around the same time Voldemort was in Hogwarts. Didn’t Hagrid get expelled for having him? I think there is something significant about Slughorn getting the venom or whatever it was from Aragog after he died. It wasn’t really discussed much afterwards, and I think it still has a role to play.
July 26, 2005
I also agree with the Gringotts post. I was just rereading Sorceror’s (Philosopher’s) Stone last night and there was a quote that really stuck out to me. it was about if anyone has anything that they really want to keep sage, that they keep it at Gringotts. Now I can’t think of anything that I would want to keep more safe than a piece of my soul!!!!
July 26, 2005
YM #143: Thanks for the reply. Does anyone also know whether what is the age gap between Voldermort and Lilly/James/Snape? Is Voldermort of the same age as Lilly?
July 26, 2005
#144: That’s an interesting question, I was wondering the same thing.
For some reason I think Lily/James/Sirius/Lupin/Wormtail/Snape are younger than Voldemort…Flitwick was teaching during Lily and James, and Dumbledore was a teacher during Voldemort, and Hagrid was a third year when Voldemort was a…sixth year? To be honest, I don’t know, but I think it would be strange if Harry’s parents were any older than like 35-45 and I think Voldemort is at least in his 50s.
July 27, 2005
JKR has said Snape is 35 or 36. So that would make Lily and James pretty much the same.
How many years was it since that Chamber had been opened? We know Tom Riddle was at Hogwarts at that time.
July 27, 2005
Did we ever find out if the HBP’s (Snape’s) book was his mother’s? Could it possibly have been Tom Riddle’s and passed on to Snape?
July 27, 2005
I thougt Voldemort was about 60… in the 2nd book he was 16, and that was 50 years ago, wasn’t it, well that means… in the 7th… ahm… 71!
@Becca (#150)
Well, I thought it was his, wasn’t it. His mother was just mentioned because of the name… or am I wrong about this. Have to reread it soon…
July 27, 2005
Fifty some years ago Voldy was about 16, so he should be in his mid-60’s, and so is Hagrid, who was 13 when he got expelled. And if we suppose James and Lily got married in early 20’s), and HP is now 16, that’ll make James, Lily, Lupin, and Snape all in mid-30s. I don’t know how old DD could have been… as per Chocolate Frog wizard’s card, he’s known for the defeat of a dark wizard in 1948, by then he was already a well-qualified wizard. and he was already a teacher responsible enough when he got Voldy to come to Hogwarts, so I’d think he must have been close to 100. But i also think he might have been older - given he’s a friend of Nicolas Flammel, who knows if DD also took elixier of life when he was younger??
July 27, 2005
R.A.B IS Regalus Alphred Black
July 27, 2005
@151
I think it was mentioned that the book was 50 years old. That wouldn’t match up to be Snape’s if it was new, so it must have been second-hand. Since it did mention specifically that it was 50 years old, I thought it might be important. Maybe it was just there to throw us off in guessing who the HBP was. And maybe its just coincidence that that’s when Voldemort was at Hogwarts.
July 27, 2005
I think the book was published 50 years ago, but it belonged to the HBP - it was mentioned in GF that Snape was ragged when he and James were dueling. This suggests that the Snape family was money poor, and using second hand items. Perhaps the book belonged to Snape’s mother who would have then been at school with Tom Riddle. It would be an interesting sub-plot if Tom Riddle was at school with James Potter’s parents, Snape’s mother and such.
July 28, 2005
#153
TOM…… are you just guessing regalus’s middle name is alphred or was it in one of the books???
I cant find it anywhere x
July 28, 2005
No it’s the uncle of Regulus and Sirius…
July 28, 2005
Look at the chapter 6 of book 5, read it and you’ll see that his name is mentioned…
July 28, 2005
An Uncles name of Regulus was Alphard, wasn’t it? That may be the A., but I’m quite sure that wasn’t mentioned in one of the books…
Even, if that potion book once belonged to Voldemort, do you think he bewitched every little thing he posessed? Think its a horcrux?
July 28, 2005
No, that isn’t a Horcrux.. Well you see Voldemorts loves objects that are famous… And I think that potion book isn’t that famous… You know what I mean…
And Alpherd is mentioned in OotP…
July 28, 2005
Oh, I mean it’s not mentioned as Regulus second name, or is it?
I don’t believe that book is any special… but I may be wrong.
July 28, 2005
159 - the book can’t be the horcrux. it seems voldy has put strong protection on each horcrux. it was just sitting in the potion room and HP could use it without getting hurt.
July 28, 2005
It may be possible that regulus is still alive. You think there is any possibility that he is an unregistered animagi, and that he used the same trick pettigrew did? Of course pettigrew did fool death eaters and voldy for a long time, I have no doubt that regulus could do the same thing.
July 28, 2005
could one of the horcrux - possibly hufflepuff cup - be in the room of requirement? when HP hid HBP’s potion book, that room had a bunch of old stuff in it.. could that be why Voldy asked DD for a teaching position years later??
July 28, 2005
if voldy killed regulus himself, i’m not sure if voldy could have been fooled.. if Death Eaters killed him by voldy’s order, it may be possible that somehow regulus fooled death..
July 28, 2005
I am not sure, but didnt someone is the 5th book say that regulus was probably not important enpugh to be killed by voldemort himself
July 28, 2005
hey everyone, i love your guys theories except for the one that says harrys hot…lol….anyways two of them caught my eye, the one that says that dumbledore has snape make the unbreakable vow to protect harry and the one that says snape could be an animagus……is it possible that both of these are true and snape and hedwig are the same ppl? i mean think about it…hagrid gets harry hedwig for his 11th birthday (first year in hogwarts)…we all know that hagrid is very faithful to dumbledore and that he would do just about anything dumbledore would ask him to….hedwig and snape are never mentioned together and hedwig and snape would also do anything for lily potters son………and another thing, if dumbledore did make snape do the unbreakable vow to protect harry, then there had to be another wizard or witch with a wand(like bellatrix lestrange for snape and narcissa malfoy) there…..and if you do remember the only two people that 100% trust dumbledore are hagrid (who doesnt have a wand because he was expelled) and Remus Lupin who always agrees with dumbledores decision to trust snape….well tell me what you think about it
July 28, 2005
Sorry Mike but I definitely do not think that Snape = Hedwig. The people typically look somewhat like the animals they become. For example, Sirius had dark, long hair, and resembled a dog. Peter Pettigrew looked a lot like a rat. Therefore greasy snape would not look like a snowy owl. Plus, Snape seems like he has low self-esteem, and to make up for his low self-esteem, he’d probably turn into something super-macho like a dragon or a tiger…rawr. There could easily have been another person to make the Unbreakable Vow, perhaps Lupin, or another teacher at Hogwarts? Refresh my memory: were James and Lily killed the night of the prophesy?
July 28, 2005
im not sure if they were
July 29, 2005
i agree with the theory that it is R and B, meaning two ppl……it took two of them to get to it
July 29, 2005
i agree with #108
that guys got it all right
July 29, 2005
@Julie
Oh, I think the proph. was made before Harry was born and when his parents where killed, he was one year old. right? So it was not the same day.
July 29, 2005
Well think Snape is good and Dumbledore isn’t dead… If you want my explanitions about this; click at the link… It’s really smart and good:D..!
DumbledoreIsDead.com
July 29, 2005
Umm, Muschie, there is not one part of that unintelligble garble that is properly structured with relevant and/or convincing evidence. It is ALL mere conjecture, nothing else. Nothing in your whole analysis is even remotely possible. If you like, I can refute every single point you have made. Refer to MY posts above, #85, #86 and so on.
July 29, 2005
I think Dumbledore is definitly dead. Well, but just believe he lives as well as Sirius right?
It may be nice if such a person, many people like comes back, but maybe thats just a wish, hm?
July 29, 2005
yes…just a wish.
July 29, 2005
Does anyone reckon the Centaurs and the Merpeople will join up with the wizards against Voldy? How cool would it be, i mean they paid their respects to Dumbledore didnt they so maybe that got them a bit riled up you know.
Think about it, a war between wizards, dark creatures, the living dead, werewolves, giants, centaurs, merpeople, dragons maybe? Man thats gonna make one heck of a read.
July 29, 2005
DD is definitely dead - there’s no defending AK curse, and he was wandless. I don’t think it would matter too much anyway, though. I’m sure DD’s left some other ways to talk to him - portraits, memories, etc.
About Snape making the vow - the third person could be anyone, but not the members who are still alive. Lupin didn’t object DD’s trust in Snape, but it was only because he trusts DD, and the reason why DD trusts Snape doesn’t matter to Lupin. He didn’t sound like he knows why. Hadrid could be the one, but I doubt it. He does have a wand, by the way - at lease the half of it in his pink umbrella - but he was expelled at 13, and not qualified. i don’t think he could perform such strong spell like unbreakable vow.
July 29, 2005
177 - i think it’d be cool to have them join the war, too but i donno.. they paid respect to DD, but not to others. Especially centaurs don’t like humans in general. and in order to get merpeople involved, someone would need speak their language. cool idea though…
July 29, 2005
@174
I don’t know what you read, but when I clicked that link, it certainly wasn’t “unintelligible garble”. I read a sound argument as to why someone believes that Dumbledore is not dead. I believe he’s dead. So I can see how one wouldn’t agree. The evidence wasn’t necessarily convincing, but it was relevant.
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July 30, 2005
@180
Thanks for proving my point - the evidence was not convincing.
July 30, 2005
Amrick, You can’t say it’s unintellegible… It’s a really really good theorie.. Maybe you don’t believe he isn’t dead.. But well if you look at the site there is a chance he is alive!
Did you read the clues about Snape…?
Well that’s why I think he is good you know:D
July 30, 2005
Enough about that site, its no good.
July 30, 2005
Having read all the theories so far, I think I should add another one to the equation!! I don’t think Harry is a Horcrux, someone has already pointed out that Voldemort has protected the Horcruxes, putting one inside a person doesn’t make it particularly well protected, and, if Harry is a Horcrux, why has Voldemort tried to kill him on more than one occasion? Plus, if Harry is a Horcrux, this means he has to die before Voldemort will become mortal again - in which case who would kill Voldemort? I think one of the Horcruxes is HARRY’S WAND. Ollivander has always been a bit dodgy and he mysteriously went missing in HBP. There weren’t a lot of spells guarding the wand as Voldemort had thought that the wand would only choose him because it had a part of his soul in it so it didn’t need protective spells. Unfortunately, as Voldemort somehow transferred part of himself to Harry when he tried to kill him - the wand then thought it was being held by Voldemort when Harry picked it up in Philosopher’s Stone. This means that Harry will have to destroy his wand to make Voldemort mortal but then will have no wand to kill him with - perhaps Neville will step in at the last minute and perform the final curse, killing Voldemort and making both Harry and Neville relevant to the prophecy…
July 30, 2005
#184 - Neville can’t be relevant to the prophecy… It’s about Voldemort and the boy whom he marked as his equal = Harry. Neville isn’t marked by Voldemort, so he’s got nothing to do with it.
How would Voldemort have been able to make Harry’s wand a Horcrux? Harry’s just got a wand that is similar to his, Voldemort didn’t even know that there existed such a wand.
July 30, 2005
I agree with Muschie, as it is quite a convincing read and all the clues add up, why else would snape have been arguing with dumbledore?? and DD isnt stupid he would have seen a trap that Malfoy used against him. Also when Malfoy asks DD whether he saw it coming, DD says “…yes and no…”, which means he had an incling that malfoy was up 2 something, in which case he would have left hogwarts with a lot more defence and enchantments!!:D
July 30, 2005
#185 You’re probably right about Neville but I still think it’s possible that a horcrux could have been placed in Harry’s wand as it is an inanimate object like the locket, the book etc and I do think it’s odd that Ollivander has now gone missing… Voldemort could have put a horcrux in a wand and would have then thought the wand would never be suitable for anyone but him (”the wand chooses the wizard”) and would therefore be safe in Ollivanders until he needed it - which is why it was unprotected by more obvious spells. It chose Harry because of the power Voldemort had transferred to him when he tried to kill him. Maybe the horcrux is the phoenix feather inside the wand - anything is possible!!
July 30, 2005
Finally someone agrees with me:D:D;)
July 30, 2005
i like that theory anne, but i dont know if JK has put enough speculation on it being a horcrux. I think it’s just the fact that Fawkes only gave two feathers and they conveniently ended up with Harry and Voldemort. Maybe this emphasises that those two wizards have a special particular link with Dumbledore, we know Harry obviously has, and there is a link between Dumbledore and Voldemort which becomes clearer and clearer as the books progress, Dumbledore of course being the only one who scared voldemort and being the one who found him etc. However i still like the sound of your theory and like you said anythings possible
July 30, 2005
I’m convinced that Dumbledore is really dead. A fake death would be exaggerated and up to now there is no single proof that he didn’t die. The arguments given on the site mentioned above only prove that it is possible that Snape killed DD because he told him to do so. Why would Rowling want to keep DD alive?
I think DD really had to die. Because Harry lost his last “parent”, he has to face Voldemort alone without the help from others. It would be way too easy if DD told Harry everything in #7! Now he has to figure things out all by himself, which is a lot nicer for a good plot.
July 30, 2005
About the rab=regulas black. IN order of the pheonix they found a locket in #12 grimauld place that none of the characters could open. This could be Slytherin;s locket and maybe regulas found it.
July 31, 2005
Exactly - DD is dead so Harry can continue the path that is his burden and his alone. That site that rambles on about how Dumbledore might be alive is codswallop.
July 31, 2005
when Harry goes to godricks +
hollow he’ll find 2 horcruxes [his mum & dad]
1. Rab is regulus
2. DD still alive phoey
August 1, 2005
Amrick - everything said on here (and all the other theories) are pure speculation. You may think that Dumbledore is dead (as do I) but until the final book comes out we have no way of knowing for sure.
Alex - Harry’s parents won’t be Horcruxes - they’re dead which would mean the Horcrux would be destroyed.
August 1, 2005
Ben you just told me off for criticising others, then you did the exact same thing in your post. Redundancy?
August 1, 2005
Do you mean my post above? We know Harry’s parents are dead. That’s fact! We also know what most of the remaining Horcruxes are. I find it highly unlikely that Harry’s parents decaying bodies are still in Godric’s Hollow after all this time…
Regarding the Dumbledore issue, I’ve already said I agree with you. I think he’s dead, but I also think that bringing a character back to life is the sort of thing JK would do and can see why others would think he may still live.
Anyway - it’s my website… I can say what I like
August 1, 2005
Here’s a theory on the Harry as Horcrux idea: I accept HP can’t really be a delibertae Horcrux. How could Voldemort make HP a horcrux - and why would he? But we know part of Voldemort’s soul is somehow connected to HP.
What if Vodlemort was intending to make a Horcrux after kiliing James and/or Lilly but was unable to - because he got blasted himslef when trying to kill Harry. So the bit of his soul that Voldemort had prepared for a Horcrux was thrown out of Voldemort’s body - or perhaps travelled down his wand. It’s not a proper horcrux, becasue Voldemort hasn’t had chance to make the proper spells. But it somehow attached itself to harry or hs scar.
Maybe…
August 1, 2005
OK, wild idea - tell me I’m bonkers…. but do we ever see Dumbledore and fawkes together? I know in the first book, fawkes buursts into flame just before Dumbledore enters the room. Is it possible that DD is an animagus? And that Fawkes is Dumbeldore?
Probably not - I’m sure they do appear somewhere together at some point - just not sure where. Any ideas anyone?
August 1, 2005
The Phoenix/wand connection between Harry and Voldemort is interesting. It seems likely that the disappearance of the wandmaker, Ollivander, will turn out to be significant in this regard. Perhaps the connection betwen Harry’s and Voldemort’s wands is something that could be exploited by the right wizard in a way that Voldemort wishes to explore, but he might need Ollivander’s expertise in order to do so. With JKR, such a story element rarely is without a reason, and I’ll bet that we will see some interplay among Fawkes, the two wands, and Ollivander in book 7. Then there is the question of where Dumbledore’s wand is…..
August 1, 2005
I am new to this web-site and it has been fun getting the outside ideas from other HP lovers. I just finished reading TGOF and wanted to remind you that the duel between HP and TDL when they were dueling the gold strand that developed between the curse that TDL was hexing Harry with and the defensive spell HP used linked the wands. DD said that happened because the core of the wands were from the same Phoenix (Fawkes) ( which was DD’s office the same time DD was there) and that they could never be used to do harm against each other. Just a thought?
August 1, 2005
Does anyone think that the sorting hat could be a horcruxe?
Just a thought
August 1, 2005
Thanks, Boomer (200), for the reminder (from GoF) about the wands (HP and VdM) not being able to do each other harm. That itself could be part of the explanation for Ollivander’s disappearance: to kill Harry, VdM needs a new wand that can do Harry (his wand?) harm. But, as Ollivander himself once said, “the wand chooses the wizard”, or some such, so . . . . . . .
Alternatively, I wonder if Dumbledore himself got Ollivander out of circulation for a while, to prevent exactly the above from happening. And perhaps Dumbledore’s missing wand will find Harry. He may need it.
All this speculation is thirsty work. cheers
August 2, 2005
I find the speculation of HP’s wand being a Horcrux as intriguing. I’m not sure if I think it is one, mostly because I never really thought about it.
I really think Dumby is dead…because once someone’s dead, they’re dead…and JKR has said that herself, I think in regards to Sirius.
What IF Voldy and HP meet…and they have the same wands, what would happen? lol.
And another random thought, who will Fawkes stay with now, just in the headmistress’ office?
Oh…and I was thinking, what if someone like James or Lily was the person who preformed the Unbreakable Vow on Snape and Dumby? (assuming there was one) As someone pointed out to me, they were killed when Harry was about one, and that would be sufficient time to complete it. What if James preformed it, and although Snape knew it was the right thing to do, didn’t like James for it because he felt like his life was bound and he couldn’t control that small portion of it. Or, perhaps Lily performed it, since we people seemed to have come to an agreement that Snape liked Lily in some way, shape, or form. And of course Snape was jealous of James since he got the girl. Any responses to my late-night ramblings?
August 2, 2005
If anyones interested you can now read my full thoughts on RAB…
August 2, 2005
I don’t believe R.A.B is Regulus Black because it took Dumbledore 5 years to find out everything he could about Voldemort and it took him roughly a year to find that locket (the greatest wizard…..Hello!!) an he nearly died in the process an he had help!!(Course he did die in the end)
August 2, 2005
Yep - its definitely not Regulus. Far too obvious and far too unbelievable.
August 2, 2005
hey yes i do not think rab is regulus- i agree with james and amrick, it is definitly r and b, but who??? are there any ideas??
August 2, 2005
whew, reading all of these theories has really set my mind racing in many directions. I agree that RAB is Regulus Black and he probably used Kreacher to retrieve the locket (I would speculate that as creatures of magic themselves, house elves are probably immune to some of the effect of poisons).
I also agree that the arguement between DD and Snape was about Snape having to kill DD when and if the occasion arose.
I had not previously considered that Snape may have made an Unbreakable Vow to protect Harry as part of the deal when becomeing a teacher at Hogwarts. I could easily see that Lilly’s death as a result of his telling Vold about the prophecy could qualify as his “deepest regret” and that in the emotional aftermath Snape was persuaded by DD to make the vow…….chagrin later when Harry turned out to look so much like his father and not Lilly. Also this would explain why Snape is still teaching HP…….like others said….taunting him about keeping is mind and mouth shut……the only way he will ever overcome another powerful wizard.
Harry himself, I am sure, is not a Horcrux, but the scar may be in part……or at least something similar.
I think that the theory about the wands and the disappearence of Ollivander is close. As stated before, JKR has a way of coming back to things only mentioned in previous books…..he was probably removed to keep HP from getting a new wand or to create one that Vold could use against HP……but that doesnt answer the question as to what happened to DD wand.
Also, I am just guessing that the Hufflepuff cup is going to be in Gringotts…….really like the idea that the trio will have to try and break in and steal something from there……..very Mission Impossible…..so thanx to whoever possulated that!
and fianlly….I think that DD imobilized HP on the tower in order to stop him from killing. JKR has emphasized the impotance of Love being the most powerful force and murder as being the ultimate Dark act. If HP was to kill someone then he would be in the same ranks as Vold himself……thereby, making it impossible for him to win in the final battle. Destroying a Horcrux (the diary) doesnt count as muder but simply the destruction of an object. At this point HP is still an “innocent” and will be his greatest strenth later. Also, along the same line…. this would explain Snapes otehr taunts about “No killing curse for you, Potter” while he defected HP attacks and then disarmed him.
Well, thanks for all the imput and theories and I hope you all like mine.
August 2, 2005
Doubt that RAB is more than one person (as in the R and B theory), as the message speaks in the first person singular ” . . . . I know I will be dead long before you read this . . . . . .. . I face death . . . .”
I’ll be very surprised if RAB is not Regulus Black, but then I love surprises. I agree with Ben’s suggestion that the RAB mystery will not be the centerpiece of the next book, but rather is an obvious clue to Regulus that JKR has set us all up with, to grind our teeth on, as we ignore other issues of greater import. What fun!!
August 2, 2005
Doesn’t anyone else think the wand angle is of interest? Ollivander missing? Location of Dumbledore’s wand lost? HP’s and VDM’s wands connected via feathers from Fawkes and can’t do harm each to the other?
“The wand chooses the Wizard.” I wonder why a wand with a feather from Fawkes would choose VDM?
August 2, 2005
@209 - interesting point about DD’s missing wand. in HBP didn’t malfoy disarm DD? so if he was still holding onto it when he fled with snape, would it mean Vody will get it? as you said HP and Voldy couldn’t duel because their wands are brothers, so one of them would have to change his wand to hurt the other.. could Snape manipulate malfoy and voldy, keep the wand, and somehow give it to HP? DD’s wand must be strong. also as in gof, it seems a wand can recreate the figure of last murdered person. could that happen to Snape’s wand and DD could come out of it to help HP?
I also thought Ollivander missing would be an important factor in book7. so far no one knows why/how he disappeared. i hope Voldy hasn’t caught him yet.
August 2, 2005
Re YM (#210) - Malfoy did disarm DD, but using the ‘expelliarmus’ command, does not necessarily mean that the wand comes to Malfoy … that would be the summoning charm ‘accacio’ … No, it appears that DD’s wand went flying … who knows where, and who has it? Seems entirely likely that it will find its way back to HP, if he needs a different wand to defeat Voldemort?
August 2, 2005
I agree with your points so far. I really do want to know what Snape did to prove to Dumbledore that he was trustworthy and an unbreakable vow is a possible option. I also think that Snaep was forced to kill Dumbledore and Dumbledore probably told him that he had to protect harry so there could be a chance of Voldermort going. I reckon Voldermort must be about 65 or so cuz the Chamber of Secrets hadn’t been opened for fifty years+the fact that Tom Riddle was about 15/16 at the time therefore he would be aroung 65. I think that another object will turn up in book seven that is a possible horcrux. Hope that Harry stays in Hogwarts though - u can’t have a Harry Potter book without hogwarts!!
August 2, 2005
@212 KPH - Thanks for your posting
good point about disarming charm - i forgot about that. i do hope that DD’s wand will be brought to HP…
August 2, 2005
Well, I am back to the wand question again. From reading and rereading all the HP books, I do not think that another wizard can not use another wizard’s wand. In the 2nd book (COS) Gildaroy Lockhart used Ron’s wand and it misfunctioned on him because he cracked in the tree collision, POA Harry used Heromonie’s wand to disarm Snape and in GOF Barty Couch used Harry’s wand to make the dark mark. I think DD’s wands up for the grab!
August 3, 2005
I think your write about regulous and he will play a big part in the next book. I also think that snape is on harrys side and had to kill dumbledore because he was under orders from him and would have died himself if he hadn’t because of the promise that he made.
At the end of the last book I think harry will die killing voldermort that is why she can only write seven books and she could not write another one without harry in it
August 3, 2005
@ 52 hey guys thought that snape made uv ages ago and deffo think he loved lily but why did she choose James as he was obviously handsome and talanted but arrogant! What is it about her eyes that
Harry has? Occlumency or a seer perhaps
August 3, 2005
I very much doubt that harry will be killed in the 7th book as it would just be a depressing ending for such an amazing set of books!!… and i think JKR would want to finish on a high and not a low.. so the idea of Hp using DDs wand is a really good idea!!!!… but do you think Harry will have the nerve to kill VDM and use the killing curse……??? look how Draco could not kill DD???.. maybe Snape will have to finish him off???
August 3, 2005
If Harry finds all the Horcruxes and destroys them then when he faces V if V uses the AK curse maybe it will backfire like it did when he was a baby and destroy V
August 3, 2005
Well Harry and old Voldy have the same wand cores dont they, as found in GoF, so I agree that at some point DD’s wand will be used.
And I think although Harry has been unable to do much harm using any of the forbidden curses (as BEllatrix said, you really need to mean it), I think his hatred for Voldemort will let him use the killing curse, afterall he’s lost his mum, dad, Sirius and DD and we’ve seen him get angrier and angrier as the series goes on.
Don’t know whats going on with the eyes though - i cant even think of any theories about Lily’s eyes!
August 3, 2005
yeh maybe that is a good idea, but i think it will be more dramatic if someone kills V instead of him killing himself.. like maybe DD who is in the hide out at the moment pretending to be dead would come in last minute and use the AK curse on V :D. Maybe a bit far fetched but possible!!!
August 3, 2005
n the goblet of fire what Dumbledore told Snape “you know what to do” erm..what was this????
August 3, 2005
i think there would have to be other ways to finish Voldy off - HP hasn’t proven himself to be good at killing curses, and Voldy is a wizard of great power after all. it comes to mind what DD said to HP in POA that there’ll be a day when HP will be glad to have saved wormtail’s life. he serves voldy but in debt with HP. maybe that’ll play an important role in killing voldy. right now we can say people close to Voldy are not as loyal to him as he may think - Snape, wormtail… obviously hp will need more than a curse, maybe all the help he can get, to kill voldy.
donno if HP will die at the end of #7.. i heard a rumor that the last word of #7 is “scar.” so if HP is dead why his scar the last word??
August 3, 2005
I agree 223. I dont think Harry will die, its probably a sentence like, there’s nothing left of Voldy in the world, nothing except Harry’s scar. (I know thats stupid, but I was just making a point!)
People suggested RAB could be something Amelia Bones, I know DD said Voldy probably doesnt realise it when his horcruxes are destroyed, but could that have something to do with why Amelia Bones was killed I wonder?
August 3, 2005
@224 I’d be very surprised if rab was amelia bones. the note in the fake locket said to the dark lord - only death eaters called him that.
but still, i agree her death should mean something to the whole story. as in HBP amelia was most likely killed by voldy himself, i don’t think he’d kill her just because she’s a great witch. she must have known or had something that could be used against him. her niece (susan bones) is Hufflepuff, and one of the horcruxes is a hufflepuff cup. maybe there’s a connection there?
August 4, 2005
I only got through comment 50 but haven’t seen this mentioned yet. I know its a little off topic, sorry!
did anyone else notice in the first (?) movie (might bhave been second- i need to watch again- and harrys in there so often!) when dumbledore leans over Harry in the infirmary bed, you see his whole head over the whole movie screen. this is one of the few times you see him without a hat. I noticed that he has a lightning scar just like Harry’s . I know that JK has had to tell the movie makers a little about the future for continuity sake. I dont think i imagined it- husband saaw it too once i pointed it out.
I cant remember just what he said, but Dumbledore told Harry something like “a scar like that is not easily gotten”- not that it has Never been gotten…
August 4, 2005
Everybody seems to forget Wormtail’s debt…
When Harry didn’t let Sirius kill Wormtail, DD told him that it created a profound debt towards Harry.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with RAB or with why Snape killed DD (I also tend to believe in the sacrifice theory), but this is something that is still to be explored further in the last book. My guess is that Wormtail will die somehow in repaying his debt.
Another thing - When Lupin hears about the HBP, he asks Harry when the book was printed, to get an idea of how old the HBP should be. He should be around his 50’s. However, if Snape is the same age as Harry’s parents, he can’t be 50. How does that fit in? No idea.
Last but not least - DD. In the first book we see the card in which it says that he killed a dark wizard in the 50’s. Could he have made himself a Horcrux?
August 4, 2005
to #225
thats a really good idea, about amelia bones maybe having the hufflepuff cup, but i also think theres something more in the way, but we cant know that till we get out hands on book 7…
August 4, 2005
to #227
i definately argree that pettigrew will hav some big say in book 7, or dumbledore wouldnt hav emphasized so much abt harry’s bond with pettigrew.
about dumbledore ever having horcruxes, forget em all….do u really think that if dumbledore knew about horcruxes he would hav had to stay getting the info from slughorn?
and how is it that slughorn knows so much about horcruxes and all if its supposed to be so hard to research them and all? dont u think its strange??
August 4, 2005
to #229
I agree having DD use horcruxes is a little far-fetched.
I don’t think DD didn’t know what they are - he simply wanted to have more details about how Vold got the information about them AND what was important to him. Remember that it’s from that memory that DD deduced that Vold was after 7 horcuxes, which will be one of the key components in the next book.
Still, there is something fishy with how DD died. I really like all the points in the link mentioned above about why DD is not dead - worth a look.
August 4, 2005
true, the points on dumbledore not being dead certainly are interesting, but i still get the feeling that it really would be too much of a perfect story if dumbledore survives and all, but then i think that he has left some methods of communcation with him which will be able to help harry in some way or other
August 4, 2005
@227 HBP’s book is 50 years old, and i think Snape got it as second hand - HP’s parents, Lupin, Sirius, Snape are all in the same aga group, which I think is mid to late 30’s.
I don’t think DD would have made a horcrux in the defeat of a dark wizard in 1948(i think it was that year - as per wizard’s card). he never feared death and he always said that there are things much worse than death.
DD has a scar on his right knee that is a patter of London underground. this is the scar he refers to when DD talks to HP about scars. I think JKR said in an interview that there’s an interesting and important story behind how he got his scar on his knee.
as for wormtail, i agree - read my note on 223…:-)
August 4, 2005
call me crazy, but who is this new minister of magic? jkr mentions that he has a mane like a lion. regalus is the “king” star in the constellation of leo. he was the lead auror (would be easy for an ex-death eater) and always asks odd questions of the other aurors.
August 4, 2005
to #233
so do i hav suspicions on rufus’ true identity, jkr wouldnt hav just placed him in the plot for no reason at all - fudge had been of importance for the delaying of the truth regards the return of voldy, but why write up a whole chapter culminating in the intro of rufus if he had no importance? well maybe he isnt regulus, but im sure he’s got some important say somewere in the storyline
August 4, 2005
i also think, in reference to Ollivanders disappearance, that he will have a major part to play in book 7, but nobody seems to have asked about Fortescue, the ice cream man. He’s disappeared to and i dont really know if there wud be much reason behind it or if he was just scared, but i was wondering if anyone mite have some theories on it?
Also, something my mate brought to my attention, who actually gave Harry the invisibility cloak? i was always under the impression it was Dumbledore but does it actually say? My mate rose the point that whoever gave it to him had been given it by Harry’s father before he died. Maybe this could be Dumbledore as they were in the first order wasnt they, but he could have leant it to ne1 in the Order, or any of his closest friends. My friend also thought that maybe whoever gave it to him intended for him to get in trouble as they sed ‘use it well’
‘Your father left this in my possession before he died.
It is timeit was returned to you.
Use it well.
A ver Merry Christmas to you.’
thats it, lol. it was written in narrow loopy writing, could this be dumbledores? or someone else like Peter Pettigrew? Just a thought anyways
August 4, 2005
ok, sorry, ive just read the last bit of PS, and it was DD who gave Harry the cloak, sorry.
” ‘Ah- your father happened to leave it in my possession and i thought you might like it.’ Dumbledore’s eyes twinkled. ”
Sorry again.
August 5, 2005
ive also just read something that supports Snape could possibly have made an unbreakable vow to protect Harry, but Dumbledore tries to cover it instead to Harry and therefore to us, by saying its because James saved Snapes life.
‘i do believe he worked so hard to protect you this year because he felt that would make him and your father quits. Then he could go back to hating your father’s memory in peace…’
August 5, 2005
i was thinking how everyone thinks RAB is Regulus Black and some people say it is too ovious. It is a little too ovious but how would the locket get to #12 Grimwauld? Also the theory of RAB meaning two people could be true also. Anyone else think it could be ‘Regulus And Bellatrax’?
August 5, 2005
to #238:
it could be regulus and bellatrix, but then how to explain the fact that dumbledore said that the boat is only built for one person???
im sure regulus is definately involved in the stealing to the horcrux, and just cos everybody got to that conclusion, it doesnt necessairly mean that it isnt right no?? and the mention of the locket in grimmauld place, although jkr hid it among the other objects around the place, is very significant.
also, whoever wrote the letter addressed it to “the dark lord” which we know only the deatheaters use, therefore we can conclude that whoever did it was once a death eater.
and also, the letter was written in “I”, so we can also conclude that it was one person doing the job, maybe accompanied by a a magical creature (presumably kreacher) that does not count as “we”. therefore, i doubt that it can be regulus and bellatrix or anything of the sort….im sure someone like bella would want the credit for her work?? and i seriously doubt it was her anyways, why would she bother braving azkaban for someone who’s soul she was trying to destroy??? “we alone were faithful” she had said….why hadnt she talked herself out of it, as snape and karkarhoff had done, if she was trying to kill him, not keep him alive?
August 5, 2005
to #227 and # 232 … the book presumably was owned by Snape’s mum … we find out from Herminone’s research, right at the end of HBP that there was a witch called Eileen Prince, she married a muggle - (something-snape), and presumably passed the book onto Severus. That would explain how the book is 50-odd years old, but Snape is md-30s?
August 5, 2005
Don’t think RAB is Regulus … too obvious … Still think Amelia Bones is a possibility (although agree that YM’s @ 225 theory that she got killed becasue of her / her daughter’s hufflepuff connection is also possible) …
I think there is a good chance that RAB is one of the children from the orphanage that Voldemort / Tom Riddle took to the cave … it is the same cave that DD and Harry eventually visit to retrieve the locket … both had surnames beginning with ‘B’ … and one had a forename beginning with ‘A’ (Amy Benson) … maybe she had another first name beginning with ‘R’ as well? Of course, we don’t know anything more about these children at this stage, like who they were, what they ended up doing etc … but the fact that JK specifically mentions the names of these two children at the orphanage … and then JK reminds us, through DD speaking to Harry, that this was the same cave Voldemort took the children to …
If this theory is true … then there is a lot more to tell to flesh out the detail of that story in book 7. The Matron tells DD that the children ‘were never quite the same’ after Voldemort took them to that cave! What if … he harmed them in some way in that cave … Amy Benson grows up and turns out to be a witch, or to have magical powers … and because of whatever Voldemort did to her in the cave, wants revenge … so devotes her life to quietly finding about Voldemort, utlimately finding out about his Horcruxes, and suspecting that there is something about that cave which makes it likely Voldemort would use it as a hiding place?
Its a long short, I know, but entirely possible that JK will use book 7 to spin us some kind of tale along those lines, only the clues of which she hints at in HBP …
August 5, 2005
how about the special awards for services to the school that riddle had gotten which is in the trophy room being a horcrux???
August 5, 2005
I know you’ve all been saying RAB is Sirius’s brother but I don’t think so. I don’t know who else it could be though.
I think Harry is a horcrux. But I think that Voldie doesn’t know it. And he’s just paying attention the the prophecy. Even though he hasn’t heard all of it.
In the end I think that Harry will have to sacrifice himslef so he could kill Voldemort. But in doing so I think he’ll make his own horcrux so i don’t think he really dies.
Email me to let me know what you think. tiorules@hotmail.com
August 5, 2005
I don’t think Bella is one of rab. she’s one of the truly most faithful.
and i still think RAB is regulus. it is obvious but i can’t think of another (already mentioned in the books) wizard close enough to voldy to know about horcruxes and strong enough to get the locket from the cave. i mean, even Malfoy didn’t know about them when he tossed that diary to Ginny’s bag. and to retrieve from the cave, it took DD some magic and knowledge.
i don’t think rab is one of the children from the orphonage. if there was another witch/wizard in that place, surely that child would have come to hogwarts and been mentioned before??
assuming regulus is rab - my thoughts:
HOW did he find out about horcruxes? Voldy kept it very secretively, so why him, not other DE’s?
WHAT made regulus betray his master? it costed him his life, why did he do that?
WHY didn’t voldy kill Kreacher too? if he found out it was regulus, wouldn’t he go to regulus’ servant to find out where the locket is?
August 5, 2005
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August 5, 2005
maybe voldy didnt kill kreacher cos of the proctections the blacks had made around grimmauld place? or maybe regulus had appointed someone as kreacher’s secret keeper (even though that is a tad bit farfetched). or maybe the dark lord had no idea whatsoever that regulus had kreacher’s help in the mission of retrieving the locket.
i keep getting the feeling, in that line in OotP when sirius speaks of regulus, that sirius is missing out some important detail and thinks less of his brother than he should, maybe just cos he was his parents’ favourite and was in slytherin.
as regards how did regulus get to know about the horcruxes, there could be many possibilites, such as, voldy actually told him, or entrusted him with a missiion that has to do with them - obviously not telling him what the horcruxes really were, but then regulus found out “and got cold feet at what he was being asked to do”.
was we dont really know much about the blacks’ background, we’ve got no idea if there were traits of parseltongue in the family. if so, it could be that voldy was talking to nagini about something, we’ve seen him doing so before,and it happens that regulus overheard, and maybe, being able to understand parseltongue, understood every word voldy was saying.
it could also be that regulus was gifted in occlumency and legilimency, therefore managed to temporarily hoodwink the dark lord, but of course these are only suppositions till we get our hands on book 7!!!
August 5, 2005
ginny - i like the idea of the blacks possibly speaking parseltongue. that’d make sense as to how regulus found out about horcruxes…. cool indeed.
i’m going to read ootp again - 12GP’s history and the blacks’ family history. maybe that’ll tell us something.
August 5, 2005
Don’t think Harry is a Horcrux … DD told Harry that it was not advisable to use a being, or something that can think for itself, as a Horcrux … granted, VD may have used Nagini (although this is only a theory of DD’s) … but to use a person seems a bit risky, even for VD!
Remember … to create a Horcrux, you first need to carry out an act of supreme evil, ie killing someone, which VD tried to do by killing Harry, therefore, Harry can’t have been a Horcrux
August 5, 2005
@248 i agree.
personally i don’t really think there are 7 of them. DD said Voldy saved the special killing to make horcruxes - i think voldy was going to make the 7th horcrux by killing HP (what’s more evil than killing a baby?) but b/c the curse backfired he didn’t get to make one. so i think there are 6 of them, 2 of which already have been destroyed.
August 5, 2005
Re YM*244 - Still think that there’s a chance RAB is one of the kids from the orphanage. there’s no reason why JK would have introduced these characters before now, or given any further detail … she often introduces key characters late on … what about Slughorn … we hadn’t heard of him up until now, yet he emerges in HBP as a key character, not just a teacher, but as someone who knows about (and told VD about) Horcruxes … so just becasue we haven’t heard anything much about the orphanage children, doesn’t mean that we won’t in the next book!
Also … I think that what we do hear about them in HBP is potentially significant, and more than incidental detail or simply ’story-filler’ … we find out their names … we know they went to the same cave that VD later used to hide a Horcrux … Dumbledore specifically mentions them again when he is outside the cave with Harry … we hear how they were ‘never the same’ after having been taken into the cave by Tom Riddle …
OK … so I realise this is hardly conclusive … but isn’t that the beauty of JK … that she gives these smallest of hints, and then later expands on them … of course she also leaves us plenty of red herrings, and I concede that it is entirely possible that this is one of these!!
August 5, 2005
@250 KPH - of course it is entirely possible that one of them is rab!! just because I don’t agree with your theory, that doesn’t mean it’s not possible. and yes, it is the beauty of jkr. above all of our speculations, she will come up with things that will satisfy us, sarprise us, and catch us offguard. what we talk about here is for our enjoyment while we wait for #7.
August 5, 2005
I have a couple more thoughts. I want to know more about the Muggle that Voldy used Nagini to kill when he made her a horcrux….it was not the guy in book 4 because Voldy didnt use the snake to kill him and he didnt have his body back yet.
Second, I want to know more about that mirror that Sirius gave Harry. JKR said it would play an important role in the last 2 books but I dont remember seeing it in HPB.
August 5, 2005
Ginny @ 246: With regards to the issue of how Regulus found out of the Horcrux: I was thinking that given that Snape was once a Death Eater and an accomplished Legimens, he might have spied on Voldemort (remember DD always said he trusted him!) read his mind on this and then passed the information to Regulus, who despite being a Death Eater might as well have been a secret spy for the Order. But I understand this is all quite speculative.
August 6, 2005
The whole constelation idea works in great!!!! It’s perfect and makes regulas fit perfectly. Anyway it’s also possilbe because he is a turned away death eater. Possible knowing a lot about Voldemort, he could of known about the horcruxes and possibly destroying one while he was turning away. Also in the OOTP, Kreacher does run out with a locket which was unable to be opened. Is it possible that Kreacher stole this locket from Regulas after Regulas had taken it from its containment area. So that when Regulas died Kreacher now had a hold of it. Sorry if I spelled Regulas’ name incorrectly, I’m not sure about it.
August 6, 2005
i think voldy hasnt made his 7th horcrux yet so he wants to kill harry to make it remember when you hear snape say the dark lord wants hp for him self to prob make him use him to make a horcrux. tell me wat u ppl think
August 7, 2005
i really am not sure i was wondering who dies and who is the half blood prince. i dont really get what serius’ brother would be there for even if it was him. i really need u guys 2 email me the answers
August 7, 2005
to #255
if thats the case, wouldnt hav voldy made his horcrux on the night of his return before summoning the other death eaters? i dono but i dont really see voldy as the type who would produce a horcrux infront of all those ppl, especially since its the secret to his immortality.
also, it could be that voldy THINKS that he didnt make his 7th horcrux when in fact he made it unknowingly the night he arrived at godric’s hollow
August 7, 2005
hi, i had a big far fetched idea. look snape is very good at doing magic without speaking.so my idea is and if he said avada kedavra and he in reality he was performing a fake-hex?
but, i myself dont believe in this…
i want to believe that snape is at voldemort side and that dumbledore is really dead. know its up to harry and the rest of the order….
ps- i dont think that the 7th will be the last book, lol , it would make sense to let harry grow a bit more to kill a wizard like tom riddle dont you think?
August 8, 2005
About why Regulus decided to betway Voldy and steal the locket - maybe it has something to do with his brother? maybe he was sorry he was placed in slytherine and his brother (sirius) was placed in Griffindor. maybe he later felt bad for sirius because Voldy was after sirius’s best friend. What do you think?
August 8, 2005
@255 and 257
I’ve been in doubt about if the 7th horcrux exists.. read my posting #249 and tell me what you think.
August 8, 2005
I think that Snape is on DD’s side, he moved him into defense against the dark arts to keep an eye on HP.
August 8, 2005
@261: JKR has given all signals in this 6th book that Snape is on DD’s side. First, DD gives him the DADA position, then he says on every occassion “I trust Severus”, then after his injury from destroying the ring-horcrux he put his well-being into Snape’s hands and finaly when they come back from the cave with Harry, he tells him “find Severus and bring him here, don’t speak to anyone else”. Also, in the beginning of the book, Snape never gives a good answer to Bellatrix as to why he never killed Harry when he had a chance. There is obviously a BIG reason why DD trusts Snape so blindly, and I think is hidden in his Half-Blood nature. Besides, the entire book is entitled “the half-blood prince”, ie this is a book about Snape.
August 8, 2005
The book of the HBP is fifty years old, i.e. as old as when the Chamber of Secrets opened. It belonged to Snape’s mother. She must have then been at the same Hogwarts generation as Tom Riddle.
August 9, 2005
guzai @ 263
thats a realllly gud idea, and judging by the fact that snape is head of slytherin house, his mum might av well been in slytherin too, with voldy!
August 9, 2005
I think that maybe Voldemort doesn’t think that he made his 7th Horcrux, but did inadvertently in Harry in Godric’s Hollow. I think that perhaps the ending might be that he tries to make his seventh, but it ends up being his eigth, which is way too many Horcruxes, and they he blows up and dies. Also, I am wondering if maybe Dumbledore trusts Snape so much because he saved his life at one point. I dunno, far-fetched, but you never know!
August 9, 2005
So this was a set up for a mental push for HP to get the strenght he needs to face the DL. DD has set this whole thing up for HP to be able to gather the strength and the hatred needed to face DD. Snape has to do what he did to give the extra push to have HP stand on his own two feet and kick butt. WOW!
August 9, 2005
to boomer @ 266
dumbledore told harry over and over that it was not haterid for voldemort which made his mum die for him, but love for harry, therefore dumbledore didnt do his sacrificial act to cause haterid in harry, but because with this act, although harry lost his last “parent” snape was now able to gain complete trust and confidence from voldemort and the other death eaters
August 9, 2005
to Ginny @ 267
You do not think that DD was setting all this up (including his death) to get HP to get enough hatred up to take on the DL? This is the thought I was having on this?
August 9, 2005
um no sorry but i dont agree with the haterid bit, maybe he did it to strenghten harry and his resolution to fulfil the prophecy (one cant live while d other is still alive bit) but not for hate purposes…im sure he hated him enough, having killed his parents and godfather
August 9, 2005
That works for me! Do you think Lily and Snape had something in common?
August 10, 2005
Yeh homes, they were both enthralled and enthused about Potions - which would explain their apparent aptitude and unrivalled skill in the art.
August 10, 2005
Assuming Snape is really on the side of the Order, is it possible that his father was really Voldemort and not Snape? Suppose Severus didn’t discover this until after he finished school and the days when he called himself the “Half-Blood Prince.” He might have been really angry with Voldemort for abandoning his mother (just as Voldemort was angry with his father for abandoning his mother).
The reason I wonder this is because Snape is a very powerful wizard who seems to share a lot of Voldemort’s gifts. Maybe he has pretended to reconcile with Voldemort so that he can get revenge at the right time. Maybe his relationship to Voldemort is known among the Death Eaters and that is why they defer to him.
August 10, 2005
Let’s go back for a minute and think about what Dumbledore said when he drank the potion in the cave. He sounded like he was repeating the words the children must have said when Tom Riddle Jnr / Voldy messed them up back in his orphanage days. What is the significance of this? Is there any?
Ginny: please sort out your spelling. Hatred is spelled hatred not haterid, etc etc
August 10, 2005
Here’s what I’m thinking about the horcruxes. I think that Voldemort was successful in dividing his soul into at least six parts before trying to kill HP at the age of 1. Of those, we know that three horcruxes have been destroyed (Tom Riddle’s Diary, the Gaunt heirloom ring, and an unknown horcrux — see #2 below.) When Harry is counting the horcruxes yet to retrieve, he is forgetting about number one and two below. In Book 7, someone will point this out to him (Hermione?).
Soul Part 1: This was Voldemort’s original soul before his body was destroyed when his curse rebounded on him. I think that this soul part was mostly destroyed, but parts of it went into Harry, leaving him with his scar, Parseltongue, ability to see what Voldemort is doing, etc.
Soul Part 2: This is Voldemort’s soul after his body was destroyed. The horcrux used for this “reincarnation” is unknown. Even Voldemort didn’t know which horcrux (or horcruxes) preserved him. As he said in Goblet of Fire, “And now, I was tested, and it appeared that one or more of my experiments had worked… for I had not been killed, though the curse should have done it. Nevertheless, I was as powerless as the weakest creature alive, and without the means to help myself… for I had no body, and every spell that might have helped me required the use of a wand….” This agrees with what Slughorn told Tom Riddle about existence in this state: “… few would want it Tom, very few. Death would be preferable.”
Soul Part 3: Tom Riddle’s Diary. Horcrux made after the death of Moaning Myrtle? Destroyed by HP.
Soul Part 4: The Gaunt Heirloom Ring. Horcrux made after killing his own father. Destroyed by Dumbledore.
Soul Part 5: The Slytherin Locket. Horcrux made after the death of Hepzibah Smith? Stolen from cave, whereabouts unknown — possibly 12 Grimmauld Pl.
Soul Part 6: Horcrux unknown.
Soul Part 7: Nagini. Horcrux made after Voldemort returned to power?
Possibilities for unknown horcruxes for soul parts 2 and 6: Hufflepuff Cup, Ravenclaw artifact, Gryffindor artifact…
August 10, 2005
indianagills @ 273…
geez i made a spelling mistake, big deal man!
August 11, 2005
#252 CBW I was also wondering about the mirror does anyone think that key members in the fight against Voldy have been dissapearing on purpose ready to re group for the final battle afterall we all know about the theories why DD might not be dead but we do not know much about The Veil where Sirius “died” the other real threat to Voldy is Snape and he would look even more loyal to Voldy the perfect cover.
What do you guys think.
August 11, 2005
To #272 - I’m pretty sure Snape’s a good guy (well, I wouldn’t invite him for coffee to my house, but I mean he’s really with the Order and whatever happened with DD was under DD’s order).
I really liked your idea of him being V’s son, although I doubt it makes a lot of sense. After all, it would mean that V is old enough to be Harry’s grandfather, which doesn’t fit in my opinion (I didn’t do the math, maybe if both generations started having babies really early it could fit but I think it’s hardly possible. We know V is incapable of loving, and I bet he’s impotent…).
I do, however, like the idea that maybe Snape has got a really good concealed reason why he would want V dead (as opposed to the general opinion that he’s got a good reason to want Harry’s best). Maybe V did something to one of his parents? Maybe his father was in the same orphenate and much younger than V, and V did something really horrible to him? Anyway, you brought up a really cool angle that could be a sufficient explanation as to why DD trusted Snape so much.
On another subject - I really liked the fact they’ve been learning to do magic without words. But why is it that powerful wizards such as DD and V need to have a WAND to do magic? After all, we saw that both V and Harry did some really powerful stuff, unintentionally, while being kids, with no wand at all. Why isn’t it possible to polish this skill into a real strength?
Gold - Harry inherited quite a large amount of gold from his parents. They weren’t very old when they were killed, and it certainly didn’t come from his mother’s parent (ha ha). So were did it come from? JKR says that their profession has a role to play in the next book, maybe one clue as to their professions is the gold?
Just a few thoughts, let me know what you think…
August 11, 2005
To 277: The 50-year-old diary was found when Harry was 12. Since Riddle was 16 when he wrote it, V was about 66 when Harry was 12. That’s a difference of 54 years — plenty old enough to be a grandfather, don’t you think? V would be about 70 years old in Book 6. And you’re right, I’m sure V would never have been in love with Snape’s mother, just as V’s father was never in love with V’s mother. Unfortunately, love is not a prerequisite for pregnancy. Impotence is certainly a possibility, however…
I’ve also been wondering where the Potter’s money came from. There’s been some speculation that Harry descends from Godric Gryffindor. If so, where are the family heirlooms? Are they still in Godric’s Hollow? (I’ve forgotten — was the house blown to bits that day?) Are there hidden treasures in his vault at Gringott’s? And why don’t we know more about his family? If the pureblood wizarding families were so interconnected, that must be true of the Potters. So why hasn’t anyone claimed him as a cousin?
As to Harry’s parents’ profession(s), I don’t have a clue. The prophecy said they denied V three times. Why was he so anxious to recruit them?
August 12, 2005
See i always thought of Harry’s parents to be aurors, i mean everyone always compliments on how great wizards they were and they all thought Harry was going to amount to great things as their son. They both have the skills to become aurors, Lily is great at potions, you need that as they make that clear when telling Harry what he needs to study. James is an Animagus, and remember they said that Tonks passed the secrecy test or something as she can totally disguise herself, James can turn into a stag. Still, do aurors get as much gold as it seemed the Potters had?
Hmm, maybe because Harry didnt touch it for 11 years the interest on it piled it up
August 12, 2005
Also, the Longbottoms were Aurors, we hear about them being aurors. Weren’t they good friends of the Potter’s and they were also in the order with them? just a thought?
August 12, 2005
Mad Eye Moody showed Harry a picture of the original OOTP in book 5 and his parents were in the order. If they were Aurors I think this would have been pointed out already by somebody.
Maybe they worked as an unmentionable? That would be cool to spin off on that!
It is a really good question that you bring up about HP’s family also? I am sure his dad had some family, somewhere?
August 12, 2005
Hmm they had to do something cool. They had alot of cool stuff, take the invisibility cloak and the two way mirror James and Sirius had at Hogwarts (which should still have a part to play) So yeah, they could be Unspeakables, that would be a very cool spinoff.
Hmm, i was thinking James family must have all been dead by Harry’s time or otherwise he wouldn’t have had to go to the Dursley’s would he? However we know James had a family because it is mentioned that Sirius went there for Christmas once i think??
August 15, 2005
You are correct Sirius did mention that was the place he had spent time at once he left the Black’s house until he got his own place. I wonder if JK will mention more of HP’s origins in the seventh book and this is why she has left it out because it will somehow link him to Snape, that would be interesting.
August 16, 2005
im sure JK has left out lots of connections on purpose.
Does anyone remember if she has said what Lily and Petunias maiden names were? Could the flower connection have anything to do with Narcissa and Bellatrix i think they’re names of flowers and JK does like her connections!
Albus means white and Rufus (Scrimengour) means red….another connection perhaps could they be brothers.
August 16, 2005
Their maiden names were Evans? I think.
August 16, 2005
i think dumbledor is sadly really dead other wise sape would have died and dumbledor prob wanted sanpe to fufill his duties as a death eater so he can get more info for the order tell me wat u ppl think ?
August 17, 2005
If DD is really dead and he did it so that Snape can continue to spy, it was all for nothing because now none of the Order will trust Snape. I still think he faked it. Harry does not have enough info or skill to track down the horcruxes on his own. Even DD had trouble with the ring. For us to believe that Harry could do things in one year that the greatest wizard of modern times could not manage in several would kill the whole series for me. I think it was necessary for DD to go away. Voldy would stay in hiding while DD was around. Him being “dead” will draw Voldy out. I don’t think that Harry was in on all this because as DD told him, “You were never a good Occlumence”
Just my 2 cents
August 17, 2005
i reckon dumbledores dead. plain and simple, someone had to die, and it had to be someone harry saw as a parent figure. he’s in it on his own now, thats the whole point, he’s grown up, and all what he’s learnt he has to do now without the cover of his parents, sirius or dumbledore.
Also i agree with #286, if Dumbledore wasnt dead then the unbreakable vow snape made would have killed snape, there would be no way to fool that, especially because it was performed by Bellatrix, who obviously did not believe snape and would jump at this chance.
Hmm, i think snape will not be trusted but that will be something they will have to work out in the final book. Maybe? lol
August 17, 2005
RE: joy anthony
on the other blog for conspiracy theory #1
P565 – Voldemort says
“there are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead,
one too cowardly to return – he will pay (Karkorff ?)
one who has left me – he will be killed (Snape- cause Voldemort still thought that he was on Dumbledore’s side, coz he only returned 2 hours l8r)
one who remains my faithful servant – he will re-enter my service (that would be Crouch Jr. u idiot, not snape)
regulus was already dead by then.
August 17, 2005
I’ve let your comment through but please don’t start being offensive. I agree with what you say but that doesn’t give you the right to call someone an idiot.
August 18, 2005
I’ve had some thoughts that may add some pepper to the Snape-didn’t-kill-DD theory.
First, I think Snape knew exactly what was going to happen that night (as opposed to what Draco says). Why? Well, when one of the DEs wants to curse HP, he says they’re not allowed to, that their orders was only to kill DD and leave HP to Vold. So he knew and would probably have joined the company with some other pretence even if nobody came to call for him.
Second, when DD and HP leave Hogwarts and come back, they go through Hogsmead and Mme. Rosmerta sees them on both occasions. Why did they have to? They could have de/apparated from right outside the borders of Hogwarts, where nobody would see them, and be done with it much faster (especially on their way back where DD was in a really bad shape). Then why did DD go through Hogsmead? I think he knew Rosmerta was under the Imperius curse and WANTED Malfoy to know when he left and wen he came back.
Then what happened?
Well, here I enter into some far-fetched speculations. Maybe there was an additional person on the tower that night (who got to the place where the mark was set), under an Invisibility Cloak. A powerful wizard like Mad-Eye could do the job. This person could then rather simply modify the memory of the DEs, Malfoy and HP, such that they would think they saw Snape kill DD, whereas it didn’t happen. Alternatively, DD could have run away with the help of Fawkes (like he did in OotP) and that would be the only bit of memory that should be altered. (Note that something similar happened in OotP after HP got busted for the DA meetings). And what with DD’s body? Well, I guess that for powerful wizards such as Mad-Eye/DD/Snape could easily take anything and turn it to look like DD’s body (and slip the locket into it’s pocket).
It’s a long shot speculation, but I don’t think it’s totally unreasonable.
I’d be glad to here any comments…
August 18, 2005
DD’s death / Snape’s ‘double-double agent’ role … more speculations …
We’ve heard, and speculated a lot, on this site, and elsewhere, about whether or not DD is really dead … most of the theories fall broadly into two camps:
1.) That DD is not dead, that he and Snape somehow faked / staged it, that DD has gone underground, that he will make a crucial reappearance in book 7, and that it was done to help Snape convince VD that he was on his side, allowing him to get in close, and then somehow betray VD at a crucial moment in the next book, leading to VD’s defeat … (see DumbledoreIsDead.com for a fuller discussion)
or …
2.) That DD is dead, that Snape killed him, but that this was nevertheless part of DD’s masterplan, which Snape knew about and agreed to be part of …
However, we have not had a great deal of discussion about the possibility that the final chapters of HBP are in fact, to be taken at face value, ie that Snape is genuinely working for VD, has hoodwinked DD all this time, and did in fact kill him in a way that was not at all in DD’s plan …
I guess there are two slices of information that might support this …
The first is what we hear DD tell Harry about himself in the first of his private lessons in HBP, ie that being a great / intelligent wizard does not prevent him making mistakes … and that when he makes mistakes, they tend to be correspondingly bigger than most people’s. JK herself discusses this aspect of DD in her series of interviews to the leaky cauldron …..
(section copied below) …
“ES: I know Dumbledore likes to see the good in people but he seems trusting almost to the point of recklessness sometimes.
JKR: [Laughter] Yes, I would agree. I would agree.
ES: How can someone so -
JKR: Intelligent -
ES: be so blind with regard to certain things?
JKR: Well, there is information on that to come, in seven. But I would say that I think it has been demonstrated, particularly in books five and six that immense brainpower does not protect you from emotional mistakes and I think Dumbledore really exemplifies that. In fact, I would tend to think that being very, very intelligent might create some problems and it has done for Dumbledore, because his wisdom has isolated him, and I think you can see that in the books, because where is his equal, where is his confidante, where is his partner? He has none of those things. He’s always the one who gives, he’s always the one who has the insight and has the knowledge. So I think that, while I ask the reader to accept that McGonagall is a very worthy second in command, she is not an equal. You have a slightly circuitous answer, but I can’t get much closer than that.”
… this certainly opens up to us the possibility that despite whatever ‘iron-clad reason’ DD had for trusting Snape … he may have been wrong all along.
The second bit of information worth considering, is DD’s reaction at the top of the Tower when faced by Snape, and we hear DD apparently begging. Most theories (and rightly so, I believe) have dismissed the notion that DD was begging for mercey, or for his life to be spared … (we know DD doesn’t fear death, see’s it as ‘the next great advernture’ etc) and speculated that DD’s words “please Severus” were in fact a kind of instruction for Snape to kill (or stage the death of) DD, in accordance with a prior agreement between them to do so, ie that DD is pleading with Snape to go through with their agreement …
But what if DD’s reaction, his apparent pleading with Snape, arises from his sudden, and awful realisation, that he has been utterly hoodwinked by Snape all along … that his absolute trust in Snape is about to be monumentally and absolutely betrayed … its not the dying that he fears, but the utter despair and devastation that he feels for having been so wrong … and in that context, his pleading towards Snape take on the tone of someone who is saying, essentially … ‘no … this can’t be true … I trusted you … please don’t betray that trust …’
Its a fairly bleak picture, I know, and I don’t want to believe (and don’t actually think) it is true … but what do others think?
August 18, 2005
I wasn’t sure wether to let the comment above through or not. It touches on a lot of the things I was intending to write in my ‘Harry Potter theories 2′ post
Oh well - it means I can write less now
August 19, 2005
It’s not true.
August 19, 2005
293 (Ben)
I like the thought on both of your ideas, but it is hard to think that JK would put HP into such a situation where there was no one there to help HP out. He has lost every parental figure he had and pretty much standing on his own against TDL. When HP was chasing Snape after watching what had happened on the tower he tried to hit Snape with every spell he could and Snape just flicked them away with ease. I still think that Snape will aid HP in the last book.
Maybe I am just wanting to see the rainbow out of the clouds, but I love reading and re-reading the books, she has a wicked thought process, (JK does). and that is what makes all the books so much fun.
August 19, 2005
I love KPH theories this is exactly why we have all kept reading JK year after year.
I still think/hope Snape is on Harry’s side afterall he had ample opportunity to capture Harry during the chase from Hogwarts and take him to V.
I hope Jk finishes the last book in record time, i can hardly wait.
August 20, 2005
GOD, re-read my posts please 108 etc :/
August 22, 2005
I know i keep banging on about aunt Petunia #52 but at the begining of the OOTP it say that aunt Petunia knows about Dementors and Death Eater because she overheard a conversation between “that awful boy -teling her about them years ago” Harry assumes that this mean LIly and James but Petunia refuses to answer…could it be Snape? I’m sure that this is not a throw away comment…JK just doesn’t do that.
Also if the Horcruxes relate to the Hogwarts houses is it possible that one could be the Sorting Hat afterall it was Godrics.
Another thought did Riddle win a cup/prize for services to Hogwarts? Could thai have belonged to Ravenclaw…another Horcrux?
August 22, 2005
Amrick @ 297 - have re-read your theories … doesn’t necessarily make you right, or give you the right to vent your frustration out on those that might have a different view … one of the things I have consistently found from your posts is an intolerance of anyone who disagrees with your position … you just seem to give them very short-shrift indeed … maybe a little bit of tolerance and respect towards other posters might not go amiss?
August 22, 2005
I know this is from another posting, but I had to make this point. Some people, or maybe one person has used the quote about the missing Death Eaters (six in all) at the end of the GoF–3 being dead, one too cowardly to return (Karkaroff, of course), his most faithful servant (Barty Crouch, Jr) and another who he feared had left his service forever and would naturally be killed (WHO IS SNAPE OF COURSE, not Regulus as some have said–after all Regulus was killed long before Voldemort’s fall, so he would know that Regulus was dead and he would not need to be killed again). Not to mention the fact that Snape’s answer about why he did not IMMEDIATELY apparate to Voldemort’s side at the end of the GoF supports the idea that Volodemort thought that Snape was no longer a loyal Death Eater–but Snape tell Bellatrix that by waiting those two hours, he was able to “convince” Albus he was acting upon his orders and not returning to Voldemort via his free will–and thereby even making DD trust him more.
August 22, 2005
@299 HPH
thank you for saying what others of us are thinking.
August 24, 2005
Oh excuse me KPH I have been remiss, your apparent indignant attitude towards my ability to bring cohesion to a meandering discussion is duly noted.
August 24, 2005
Amrick … thanks for (again) proving my point!
August 24, 2005
Amrick - by all means disagree, but if you disagree explain why. Don’t just tell people that you’re right and they’re wrong.
August 25, 2005
anybody help with 298?
August 26, 2005
Ben my previous posts are precedents to my disagreements, that’s all I was trying to convey.
August 26, 2005
does anyone think Harry and Hermione are twins?
August 26, 2005
no because the dnt have the same birth day
August 26, 2005
im thimking that Hermiones muggle parents are only adoptive and that in order to protect her, DD changed her name dob etc.
Harry and Hermione’s hair can never be tamed and in one of the books when Hermione fought the Boggart in private something makes me think that it could have been something to do with Harry. She seems to act exactly like a sister would towards Harry with the advice and concience also i can’t understand why JK didn’t have them get together unless it’s a Luke and Leah (star wars ) situation.
August 28, 2005
Thats a very interesting theory, and ive never rele thought about it before but in some cases it could make sense, lol. im not totally sure if Jk would drop that one on us now though in the last book. it mite be a bit too star wars, lol.
I’m just rele excited about what kind of stuff Fred and George are gonna come up with in the next book, they already sell particular stuff to the ministry against spells. i reckon they mite take a kind of ‘Q’ role like out of james bond? Given harry certain equipment he needs to take on the Dark Lord or on his travels to find the horcruxes??
August 28, 2005
i thinks fred and george are really great im sure their talents will be put to great use in book 7.
I wonder of percy really is such a pratt or whether he’s working on the inside for the order?
August 29, 2005
yeah i think Percy’s just a prat. He’s just like Barty Crouch senior who puts work above his family and friends. You saw how important he took his prefect role and his Head Boy too.
Does anyone think McGonagall might work undercover tho, remember she’s an animagus, and theres only rele ever been talk about that in book 1, to bring it back up in book 7 would be like symmetry and plus she is now the one in charge. does that mean she’s going to take a lead in the Order too? Who will lead the Order? Would have to be someone like Moody, Shacklebott or Lupin i’d reckon?
August 29, 2005
I’ve posted my next Harry Potter ‘theory’ - all about Dumbledore this time.
September 1, 2005
i think that harry is a horcrux because of his scar that is why voldermort doesnt want him killed…YET
September 10, 2005
Harry cant be a horcruxe because Voldemort tried killing him many times.
September 12, 2005
Why would Voldermort have made Harry a horcrux when he killed Harry’s parents if he intended to kill Harry a minute later in order to fulfill the prophesy?
September 12, 2005
may be he done it unintentionally
September 13, 2005
Dumbledore has to be dead because Harry was meant to set out on this final path alone, and was meant to defeat Voldemort alone. I also dont think that it is a good idea for Ron and Hermione to go with Harry on his mission to defeat Voldemort. This is because in the HBP Ron and Hermione disagreed with Harry on almost everything that he thought. (His accusations on Malfoy, Snape really being bad) If it comes down to it Harry can’t have Hermione and Ron getting in the way of his actions.
September 23, 2005
I think it is very difficult for an author to plausibly bring anyone back from the dead, but there are a couple of things that bother me about DD’s death.
1. The fact that he was thrown over the tower to fall to his death seems a little too over the top. (where did his wand go?)
2. No one witnessed DD fall or peaked over the parapet to watch the great wizard die.
3. When Harry is chasing Snape outside, Snape is attacked by Buckbeak - er….Witherwings. He is usually tied up when under Hagrid’s care. Why does he all of a sudden swoop out of nowhere and start attacking Snape? Was he flying free so he could catch DD’s fall?
Perhaps this is too close to the plot line in PoA, but it is a thought.
October 3, 2005
Lindsay - I like your ‘left of centre’ thoughts. They wander from the norm in this discussion. I too thought the whole situation of Witherwings (lol) seemingly appearing in the ‘right place, at the right time’ a bit suspicious. But then again - Hagrid was in close promixity, which could explain his appearence. I think Dumbledore falling to his death was more subtly poetic than anything - ‘the fall of Dumbledore’. Keep the thoughts flowing, this ‘journal’ needs some revitalisation.
October 3, 2005
I believe in you Amrick…do I know you from somewhere?
October 4, 2005
hehe, hey Jenny - maybe from another life :/ Btw I’m Australian.
October 5, 2005
I was trying to remember the foreshadowing that Rowling placed in past books that hasn’t come to pass yet. She makes it fairly obvious that Wormtail is going to do something to help Harry when she keeps bringing up the “bond” between them in the 3rd book after Harry saves his life.
I know that the prophesy says that either Harry or Voldermort has to die but I’m still betting on a prosaic finish by Rowling. I still think that Harry is going to have to teach Voldermort love by showing compassion and remorse for Voldermort’s situation. In the 6th book Harry comments on Merope not staying alive to help her son. Dumbledore then asks Harry if he could possibly be feeling bad for Voldermort. I think this is the key, Harry is going to have to use the memories that Dumledore showed him to understand and pity Voldermort and ultimately breakdown his armor of evil.
October 5, 2005
That’s an interesting idea. The idea that rather than both dying they both end up living. It would certainly make a nice change. A kind of redemption for Voldemort. Almost Star Wars-esk (without the death of Anakin)
October 5, 2005
The catually prophesy says “One cannot live while the other survives.” That doesn’t necessarily mean that one of them has to die for the other to live. Maybe if Harry can make Voldermort learn the joy of living they can co-exist. Somehow, however, Harry is going to have to give Voldermort a chance to re-claim his whole soul. Once Voldermort has his whole soul intact he may have a chance to live.
The only hole in this theory is that nobody in the wizarding world would ever accept that Voldermort was rehabilitated. It is similar to Terry Brooks new series where nobody will accept that the Ilse Witch is good after her past atrocities.
October 8, 2005
by splitting his soul into 7 parts, voldermort has made it impossible to reclaim a “whole soul.” parts of his soul have already been destroyed. (i.e. the diary). there is no hope for voldermort to become good. that would be far too star wars esque. i do think that love anfd compassion will be the reason for other death eaters to change. wormtail and snape will definately be helping harry in the next book. as for dumbledore, only time (probably another 2 years) will tell on that one.
October 9, 2005
mf, you don’t think their was any meaning in Dumbledore’s question to Harry “Could you possibly be feeling sorry for Lord Voldermort?”. It is true that Dumbledore shows open contempt towards Voldermort most of the time, but I think that this question has a deeper meaning than Dumbledore just assuring himself that Harry hates Voldermort. It seems quite possible that Dumbledore was hoping that Harry would begin to understand how Voldermort turned bad in remarkably similar circumstances to Harry’s own. Only Harry could fully understand the dreadful consequences that Merope’s cowardice, when compared to Lily’s bravery, had on her son.
It is entirely possible that Harry is supposed to use his “power the Dark Lord knows not” to sympathize with his twisted counterpart. Because if anything was learned form Half-blood-prince it is that Harry and Voldermort’s parallels go much farther than parseltounge and being half-blood.
1. Both of their mother’s had to decide how much their son was worth to them.
2. Both of them lived their first eleven years in a downtrodden environment.
3. Both of them first met genial representatives of the wizarding world (Dumbledore and Hagrid) to invite them to Hogwarts (admittedly with different reactions).
4. They both were highly popular at Hogwarts and seemed to each be “one of Sluggy’s favorites”.
All of these likenesses are not mere coincedences. It seems, to me, that Rowling is trying to show the devastating effect Merope’s lack of will power and love had on Voldermort’s life when compared to Harry’s after Lily’s brave sacrifice.
It is my opinion that Harry has to understand the effects their mother’s had on them and then become Voldermort’s first “friend” however unlikely that may be.
Anyways, I don’t see how Harry could survive their confrontation without some kind of psychological advantage because it seems fairly obvious that Voldermort holds the physical power advantage.
I do agree with you that 2/7 of Voldermort’s soul is gone, but you never know in the magic world iftheir is a chance for reclamation.
October 10, 2005
Wow, VERY optimistic Neb.
October 11, 2005
But the thing I find intriguing is if what you say is true about Harry and Voldemorts connection, why wasn’t Dumbledore abit more understanding towards Voldemort at a young age? Couldn’t Dumbledore have helped alot in Voldemorts upbringing and helping him understand his Mother’s so called ‘betrayal’? I mean if Dumbledore really ment something by the question “Could you possibly be feeling sorry for Lord Voldermort?†in another way than the obvious, wouldn’t he be feeling guilty himself?
October 11, 2005
That is a good idea. I think that Dumbledore was a little put ot by the obvious hate that filled Voldermort upon meeting him (symbolized by the rabbit incident and the stolen toys). But at the same time it seems uncharacteristic of Dumbledore to not give Riddle a true second chance. True, he didn’t tell the staff about his nature, but at the same time he was always wary of Riddle and even helped foil his plot with the Chamber of Secrets. The main reason that Dumbledore couldn’t help Voldermort like he helped Harry is because Voldermort didn’t want help. He didn’t want Dumbledore to go with him to get his book. He didn’t need help getting to the train on September 1st. One thing that creates a irrevocable rift between Harry and Voldermort, at least up to now, is Harry’s willingness to accept help as opposed to Volermort’s shunning of anything that questions his self-reliance. This is similar to a passage in the Mallorean by David Eddings where the prophesy explains to Garion that dark forces inevitably work alone why light accepts help and disperses its power to other people. Voldermort’s inability to have “friends” left him outside Dumbledore’s help. Instead I think that somebody like Harry, who may have a real chance to understand Voldermort, is going to have to break down his solitary armor.
October 13, 2005
True Neb, but Voldemort not accepting help should have been a cue for Dumbledore…… Clearly he felt he didn’t need his own mother, since she wasn’t there for him. But Dumbledore was there for him, Dumbledore should have shown more empathy if your theory is true. Under your theory we are accepting Dumbledore to be quite stubborn and/or naive….which he very well could be given his constant self-admiration.
October 14, 2005
Amrick, have you re-read the part at the end of the sixth book where Harry is force-feeding Voldermort’s potion to Dumbledore? Dumbledore’s dialouge sounds like he is trying to repent for something. He keeps saying, my fault” “all my fault”. Do you think that this might mean that Dumbledore feels responsible for Voldrmort’s evil acts? Maybe Dumbledore feels like he is making up for his mistake with Voldemort by helping Harry, whose past is so shockingly similar to Voldermort’s. Before now Dumbledore’s ravings seemed important but impossible to understand. Now I think that what Dumbledore is saying fits perfectly into our theory.
October 15, 2005
Interesting, I’ll re-read that part of the book.
October 25, 2005
i think harry potter is a great book/movie and i cant wait till the next movie comes out
October 27, 2005
ok I think that last comment just sealed the demise of this thread. hahahaha sry.
October 27, 2005
Not a fan of the movies then Amrick?
I think each film has been better than the one previously and hope the next is better still. I’m a little concerned that it will feel very rushed though as there’s a lot to get into a single movie.
October 27, 2005
I think that the acting in the movies has improved but their consistency with the books has become shaky. Since when have Harry, Ron and Hermoine walked around in muggle clothes at Hogwarts? I know these new movies are aimed so everyone enjoys them but I think that they are alienating older fans.
October 27, 2005
By the way Amrick did you think that Dumbledore’s force-feeding lent anything to our theory (post 332)?
October 27, 2005
The acting has definately improved with the films. As for the clothing, I think that’s a small point. The way it was done was logical, in class times they wore a uniform, out of class they didn’t. I think it’s a pretty small thing to pick up on. Personally the third (Prison of Azkaban) was the best, although it seemed a bit disjointed which is probably down to the book, I always thought the books ending was confusing as well, almost like it had two.
October 27, 2005
I just think that as the movies go on it is gong to be harder and harder to accurately represent the text. One of my favorite parts of the third book were the subtle hints throughout the book of Scabbers true identity (missing finger, cutting himself, bad health, etc.). These things seem unimportant when reading but they are what makes the end of the books so good. Very few people can actually guess what is going to happen. The way the movies are portrayed there is no way of guessing the ending. So while they do a good job on the movies I can never compare seeing the movies with reading the books.
October 29, 2005
Neb - I re-read that part of the book…..I just can’t fathom as to why Dumbledore would be showing so much regret and/or fear. I’m still thinking it through.
October 29, 2005
Dumbledore has always been adamant that there are worse things than death. It seems that a person who has learned this lesson has more than likely done something that he genuinely regrets in life. It is hard to speculate as to what Dumbledore feels so guilty about, but it is possible that his portrait may give us some answers in the seventh book.
November 3, 2005
On another note I was wandering about Dumbledore’s death. I have believed adamantly from the start that he is indeed death but I am beginning to wonder. In the first book, when reading Dumbledore’s chocolate frog card, Harry recounts Dumbledore’s defeat of a dark wizard. If by defeating the text means killing is it possible that Dumbledore created a horcrux? It seems possible, but probably not probable, that Dumbledore might have made Fawkes a horcrux. The power of this horcrux would be amazing because half of Dumbledore’s spirit would never die, because upon death it would be re-born from its ashes. I wonder why Voldermort never thought to do that. Maybe phoenixes are to wholesome for Voldermort. It would make a nice dichotomy for Voldermort to have a snake horcrux and Dumbledore to have a phoenix one. There is also possible evidence to this horcrux in the actions of Fawkes who seems to understand all of Dumbledore’s orders and just seemed to show up to save Dumbledore from Voldermort’s killing curse at the end of the fifth book. I know the theory is a little far-fetched but so are all my other ones.
November 3, 2005
Neb you do realise the creation of a Horcrux embodies the epitome of the evil that is the Dark Arts. Why would Dumbledore sacrifice the sanctity and meaning of his existence to create arguably the most forbidden and powerful Dark magic. BUT, the idea of Fawkes being a Horcrux is very creative, the fact that a phoenix posseses near immortality is a very critical point here and could definitely be explored in relation to Dumbledore. I was wondering though, can a Phoenix be reborn WHEN killed? As opposed to maturing till its ‘Burning Day’ and then being reborn? Not too sure. But that can definitely be explored. Interesting food for thought Neb, nice.
November 3, 2005
I am pretty sure that phoenixes can be re-born when killed, as Fawkes seemed to do it in the fifth book when he swallowed Voldermort’s killing curse. I know that a horcrux is the most evil act also but Rowling’s description of murder makes it seem that murder will rip the soul apart whether you make a horcrux or not. Maybe Dumbledore reluctantly created his horcrux as he already had to sacrifice the ripping of his soul when he killed the dark wizard. I don’t know the more I think about it the less likely it seems. It would be interesting to think though that both Dumbledore and Voldermort have a piece of Dumbledore’s soul in their wand (Fawkes’ feathers). Still I think there is something about Fawkes that still hasn’t been revealed.
November 3, 2005
i would of thought it was pretty obvious that R.A.B stands for Regulas Alphard Black .Alphard being his uncle
November 3, 2005
That’s what I thought, I originally posted this about 5 days after the book came out. It looks like quite a few people agreed
Neb - I don’t think Dumbledore would create a Horcrux, unless there was a way of doing it without killing anyone, although there is that wizard Grindlewold (or whatever his name was) who Dumbledore defeated, apparently that’s significant in some way. I do find it kind of amusing that Voldemort is scared of Dumbledore despite Dumbledore only being half there though - so I would like it ot be true, at least a little.
November 7, 2005
Ben - read what Neb wrote more closely you’re missing the point.
November 7, 2005
I don’t see what I’ve missed from his post. I’m saying I disagree that Dumbledore would do something like this but I’m agreeing that if he did it could have been via Grindlewold (the dark wizard).
I missed the bit about Fawkes feathers though, that would mean Harry has part of Dumbledore with him as well.
November 7, 2005
Sorry about the confusion caused about my sentence about Fawkes’ feathers I meant to say that Harry and Voldermort have a piece of Dumbledore as you seemed to surmise. I was wondering if you noticed the unbelievable bond that Fawkes and Dumbledore seem to share. Fawkes was there to swallow Voldermort’s killing curse without any visible communication from Dumbledore. Fawkes helped Harry in the second book when Dumbledore was too far away to do anything. Also Fawkes’ song helped the members of the order deal with their melancholy following Dumbledore’s death. I know Fawkes is an intelligent bird but it also seems that he always understands what Dumbledore needs, similar to how Nagini is always around Voldermort ready to do what is needed for his master (including giving his milk and scouting). Once again it seems that Rowling is creating a dichotomy between good and evil embodied by Voldermort’s and Dumbledore’s desired animal companions (you can’t really call them pets). I repeat that I think my theory about Fawkes being a horcrux is far-fetched. But there is definitely some kind of supernatural bond shared between Dumbledore and Fawkes that could be explained by a horcrux.
November 8, 2005
VERY interesting Neb, keep it up, your spontaneous flow of thoughts is indulging. I feel particular fervour towards the idea of Fawkes almost instinctively knowing when and where to be (and more importantly, what to DO) at the right moments, seems like something important needs to be addressed in explaining this. Furthermore, the fact that both Dumbledore and Voldemort, have pet ‘companions’ that parrellel their innate personatilies seems to also be a key point. Yeh, about the soul tearing of Dumbledore after performing a Horcrux, just doesn’t seem appropriate for someone with such a prominent role on the ‘good’ side. Interesting stuff, keep it up.
November 9, 2005
I just wanted to bring up a few more things from the sixth book that seem significant. I don’t know if ya’ll remember but during one of Hermoine’s readings of the Daily Prophet she mentions the disappearance of Octavius Pepper. Somehow this rings a bell and it’s not Rowling’s style to throw a name into a book without it having some future meaning. Also I was wondering what the significance was of the memory showing Volermort’s return to Hogwarts to ask for the Defense job. It seems to me that he might have had an alterior motive to get in the castle. Possibly to hide one of his horcruxes? My theory is, and once again this is just a guess, is that Voldermort hid one of his horcruxes away in the room of requirement in the same place where Harry stowed away his potions book. If this could possibly be true the artifact is more than likely Ravenclaw’s but could still possibly be Gryffindor’s since Dumbledore didn’t seem to know about the room to search it before the fourth book. The only object that I saw described in the room that could have any significance is possibly the tiara (I assume this isn’t Gryffindor’s). I don’t know I just like throwing these theories out there to see if anybody can expand on them. It seems unlikely however that there won’t be an artifact from Gryffindor. Not only because Gryffindor is Harry’s house but also because it seems the hardest to guess, and Rowling always wants to make it hard for the reader to guess what’s going to happen next.
November 13, 2005
Well I feel like I’m writing to myelf now because nobody is posting anymore but there is one more thing I think needs to be mentioned. In the fourth book Rowling describes a momentary look of triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes after he hears that Voldermort used Harry’s blood for regeneration thus making Harry’s protection useless. This look has not been explained yet and I think it would work with my previous theory that Harry will have to teach Voldermort to love in the last book. By using Harry’s blood Voldermort took some of the love that infuses Harry and it seems possible that this seemingly small act will give Harry the power to vanquish Voldermort. Similar to the defeat of Brona in the Terry Brooks books, once Voldermort understands how horrible the things he has done are, in other words the truth, his impenetrable defense of pure evil will be destroyed. So the look of triumph in Dumbledore’s face might have been a fleeting glimpse of hope maybe he understood that now Harry could use the “power the Dark Lord knows not” to its full advantage.
November 14, 2005
Well after reading pretty much of all of these…given a few exceptions. i havent seen anyone say anything on the matter that Sirius said that Regulus either died from Voldemorts wand or was ordered to be killed. Whats next is that Voldemort ORDERED Cedric Diggory to be killed…he did not kill him himself. But Cedric still came out of Voldemorts’ wand in GoF. Seeing as that is possible then if Volemort either killed Regulus or had him killed he would still come out of the tip of his wand; and he didn’t saying that Regulus is not dead but alive. Where I do not know. Also his initials fit and is the only name mentioned in all of the books that was not pressed upon and has the same initials. Also some things i noticed in GoF; 1). pg. 648 “And then I ask myself, but how could they have believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death?” The steps must mean the horcruxes. 2). pg. 651, Voldemort tells of all the animals that WILL join his army in HBP. 3). pg. 653 ” I, who have gone furter than anybofy along the path that leads to immortality. You know my goal — to conquer death. And now, I was tested, and it appeared that one or more of my experiments had worked…” In these 3 things they are all in GoF which means that JK had this planned out for awhile, he told us of his horcruxes, and he says that one or more of his experiments had worked which means that he did not use Harrys’ scar as a horcrux or else he would have said ‘ It appeared my experiment then had worked’! Also Voldemort says that his followers know what his horcruxes are, so if R.A.B. is Regulus then he would know what his horcruxes are and know where to find them, knowing how to get to them easily! Please tell me what you guys think of these findings. I am sure that there are more of these things in any of the other books. I also know that this is long but please take the time to read it, it just might change what you think about R.A.B.
November 14, 2005
Firstly I don’t know how you figure the death eaters know about Voldermort’s horcruxes. In the sixth book Dumbledore asserts that the death eaters did not understand what Voldermort meant when he said “I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality.” Dumbledore believes he is the only one to understand that to mean the creation of multiple horcruxes. Also Lucius Malfoy, who had a piece of Voldermort’s soul preceding the second book, would have been unlikely to have risked it in the Chamber of Secrets if he knew its true nature. Also the reverse spell effect does not show all of Voldermort’s murders, but only the most recent in reverse orders. Harry broke the connection when his parents appeared meaning that any murders commited previous to theirs would not be visible. It seems likely that RAB is dead as he foresaw it him/herself in their letter in the locket. The only thing that has been said that makes it appear that Regulus may still be alive is Dumbledore’s proclamation that”you can’t be killed if you are already dead”. If Dumbledore could have protected Regulus in the same way he offered to protect Malfoy than he very well might be alive.
November 14, 2005
Well Dumbledore just thinks that the Death Eaters don’t know. He told Harry that these are just theories of his. He knows Tom not Voldemort. I think that by telling his Death Eaters that Voldemort instilled in them that he is powerful and would do anything and kill anyoone that got in his way(that includes his Death Eaters). About who R.A.B is, there is a great chance that it is Regulus, but I dont think that she would use someone from the dark side to help Harry. I dont think that after what Sirius did(even if he was acting on Dumbledores’ orders, Harry would not know he was) Harry would trust anyone or anything associated with evil. I think I remember Dumbledore telling Harry that he had a brother, it could be him. It could also be an organization that whoever wrote the note is working for. Again this is just my theory. I am still looking for clues in all 6 books. Thank you for answering my post.
November 15, 2005
”I think I remember Dumbledore telling Harry that he had a brother, it could be him.”
eh?
November 15, 2005
Agree with Amrick … think we can safely say that Dumbledore’s brother is NOT R.A.B! … wrong initials for a start!
Actually, I’m not sure that DD’s brother is / will be a significant character … although there has been some (very tenuous) speculation that his brother has been ‘impersonating’ DD at times in HBP (the apparent reasoning being, why does DD empty his memories from glass bottles into the pensieve in HBP, wheras in all other pensieve references, people put their wands to their temples and extract ’silvery strands’ of memories, unless it is someone else pretending to be DD?), DD’s brother is barely mentioned in any of the books … and I kind of think that, if he was going to be significant, and with him being so strongly associated with DD, JK would have given him a little bit more ‘airtime’?!
Josh - presume that your bit in the post above, about Harry not trusting anyone associated with evil ‘after what Sirius did’ … you actually mean Snape?!
In terms of Harry and Snape … that is going to be crucial in the next book … presumably, if DD’s plan included Snape killing him … it will also have needed to take into account a way in which Harry will evenutally be persuaded that Snape was always on DD’s side.
I think that Regulus, whether or not RAB, is now dead … either on VD’s orders after he decided he didn’t want to be a death eater … or as a consequence of stealing the Horcrux.
November 15, 2005
Thanks for replying to my message. KPH- i am sorry, i meant to put Snape not Sirius.
Something very interesting i found earlier today is, i was looking at a mapping of the constellations and i found a star titled Regulus. Not too far away from the constellation of Sirius. Even more weird is that i found another star not too far away from Regulus titled Alphard( spelled exactly as it is in the book). After seeing this i decided thar R.A.B. has got to be Regulus(Regulus Alphard Black). I didnt think that Regulus’ middle name was Alphard after his uncle because the black family did not like Alphard and burned him out of the family tree. I dont know how JK is going to fit this into her story?
I also want to comment on the theory that DD might still be alive by a horcrux. I presume that you would have to kill a human to make a horcrux(Slughorn said it would have to ba an act of great violence and kill a bird is not that violent). AND if DD wanted to make a horcrux he certainly wouldnt want to put it into a Phoenix because his Pheonix dies all the time meaning that his horcrux would die. AND when DD died he would have become a whisp( much like a spirit like Voldy) and he didnt, Hagrid carried his body away.
November 16, 2005
Josh you need to read my post about Dumbledore and Fawkes closer. I explained that it seems unlikely that Dumbledore would have a horcrux but it is mentioned in the first book (on Dumbledore’s chocolate frog card) that he defeated the dark wizard Grindlewold. If defeated meant killing then there is a chance that he would have an oppurtunity to make a horcrux. Also it is true that phoenixes die all the time but at the same time they are always re-born from their ashes, meaning half of Dumbledore’s soul would never die. Also I don’t recall ever reading that Voldermort was a visible wisp after the failed curse, that was onlt in the movie. The only time Harry really saw Voldermort, prior to his re-birthing, was when he was possessing Quirrel.
November 17, 2005
nice Neb, I like.
November 17, 2005
I’m still churning over the Fawkes as a horcrux theory. The almost inuitive behaviour of the phoenix is very striking, I believe he will play an important role in the next book.
November 17, 2005
There is a comment in the sixth book that could explain if Dumbledore did make a horcrux or not. He comments to Harry that if Voldermort understood the benifit of having a whole soul he would not have made a horcrux. The question is was Dumbledore speaking from experience, in that he had sacrificed his soul when killing the dark wizard, or is it just part of his love opinion. It may be possible that comment contained regret from Dumbledore over his own ravaged soul. By the way Amrick I was wondering if you read my post (#353) about the triumphant look in Dumbledore’s eyes after finding out about Vodermort’s use of Harry’s blood in the re-generation process.
November 17, 2005
going with the constellation thing, regalus is the king star in the constellation of leo, the lion. i find it more than a coincidence that jk describes the new minister of magic in hbp as appearing with a mane like a lion. serius is the dog star…padfoot…she puts these names in for a reason.
i too have wondered about the triumphant look…i still don’t know what to make of it.
November 17, 2005
i mean that when the Avada Kedavra curse backfired on Voldy when he tried to kill Harry, that he was reduced to nothing. I was trying to say that when Dumbledore died then his body wouldnt be lying on the ground. There wouldn’t be a body.
November 18, 2005
Does it ever say that Voldermort’s body disappeared? There is no reason that the Avada Kedavra curse that backfired should have destroyed his body, but only rip his soul away from it. When other people have been subjected to the killing curse there bodies remained (Cedric, Frank, Barty Crouch Sr.) only their souls left them. In Voldermort’s case his soul would have left his dead body forcing him to find a way to create another body or live a half-life. His old body more than likely was left behind as inoperable. So I’m not sure that Dumbledore’s body being found would be concrete evidence of the lack of a horcrux.
November 20, 2005
355 Neb, ure theory about how can u be killed if ur already dead, this could be what DD has done, along wiv KPHs theory this could really work if his brother was pretendin 2 be DD and he had got hit by the Avada Kedavra he would die , makin peopl think DD was dead when really he was still alive
November 20, 2005
Well if Voldemorts body was left behind, then why did Dumbledore and so many others think that Voldemort would rise again. If the body was left behind then wouldnt they think him dead. I think that if JK was going to bring Dumbledore back then she wouldnt of had the ceremony for him. Again this is just my theory. I am downloading interviews with JK to see if she gives anymore hints like she did when she said that the last word in the last book is ’scar’.
November 21, 2005
No Josh - they knew Voldemort was not dead. Why? Horcrux = Dark Arts = long live voldemort. Think about it.
November 21, 2005
Also there is no “they”. The only person that really knew Voldermort would come back was Dumbledore. Sure Hagrid agreed but the attitude stems from Dumbledore’s opinion. Remember even Voldermort’s death eaters, Lucius Malfoy prominent among them, believed Voldermort to be finished.
November 21, 2005
Did anyone think that the potion in the basin could have been left by RAB and was conveniently the Draught of Living Death? He would’ve done this to harm Voldemort. Dumbledore could have known about the fake and used it (the potion) as a part of his plan with Snape. That is, the plan that includes Snape “killing” Dumbledore on his orders with a nonverbal spell. (He could have just used green sparks and thrown Dumbledore off with a nonverbal+we never see what kind of landing Dumbledore has on the grounds).
This plan would allow Dumbledore to come back silently and without notice while Snape had infiltrated Voldemort’s inner circle-which would help out Harry out, wouldn’t it? I also think that DUmbledore has trusted SNape all this time because he was in love with Lily
November 21, 2005
Also, in the description of Avada Kedavra on the Harry Potter Lexicon says that there is a rushing sound like something invisible and huge is rushing toward the victim. There was nothing like that when Snap killed Dumbledore. That could just be a mistake by JK, though. It would also make a crapload of sense for RAB to be either Borgin or Burke, too, because they ran the shop where Voldemort got most of his horcruxes. I think Regulus is too simple a guess. JK wouldn’t make it that obvious.
November 22, 2005
Scratch that on the Draught of Living Death. I was stupid and forgot how much pain Dumbledore was in when he drank it and should have remembered that it couldn’t have been the draught. But I am convinced that Borgin and Burke will play a big role in 7 even if they are not R.A.B.
Also, Dumbledore said that in order to get to the locket it would take two people. You know, because Harry had to make him drink it. So it could be R____ Borgin AND B____Burke. Plus, they weren’t Death Eaters, but they were clearly dark and from dark families. Therefore, it makes sense that they would call Voldemort “THe Dark Lord”.
P.S. WHo thinks Neville will kill Voldemort rather than Harry? I don’t, but its possible and i’d like some feedback. He was the other possibility from the prophecy and has been included way to much by JK not to be important in the end.
November 22, 2005
Josh, your post from the 14th is pretty slick. But i disagree. Voldemort would not have confided his secret to his Death Eaters because he doubted their loyalty from the beginnning. He knows that he leads out of fear and not loyalty. Plus, in HBP Dumbledore says that Riddle thought that “he alone knows about his Horcruxes”. He also said once they reached the island where the fake was placed that Voldemort would want to detain them and question them on why and how they got that far into the defensed he had set up, because he thought he was the only one who knew. THerefore, i believe that if Regulus is RAB, he must have learned it some other way than Voldmort just telling him. Tell me, who thinks the girl who plays Fleur is hot. oh ya!
November 22, 2005
It never says whether Voldy’s body is left after he is hit with the killing curse, so all you can do is speculate.
November 22, 2005
Your speculation on Neville being involved in the final confrontation is not true. I know it seems that the prophecy could apply to him but Rowling, on her website, finally squashed all the rumours about Neville. She wrote point blank that Neville is not the subject of the prophecy meaning he will not be centrally involved in the killing of Voldermort. I also do not agree with the speculation that two people make up RAB. The note was written n first person and the initials appear as R.A.B. If the initials appeared R.B. I think there might be something to that argument.
November 22, 2005
As far as Dumbledore goes, he is as dead as a doornail. And the fact of the matter is, he HAS to be! Since day one, there was SO much stress put on the fact that as long as Harry was near Dumbledore, he was safe. And he was safe because Dumbledore is the only one Voldemort ever feared.
If Dumbledore could defeat Voldemort himself, he would have done it already, but he KNOWS that he cannot; he knows that only Harry can. Dumbledore knows that as long as he is around to protect Harry, Harry has no reason to venture out and defeat the Dark Lord. Snape understands that, as well. They both know that Dumbledore is indirectly preventing Harry from just going out and getting it over with, and that explains why Dumbledore pleaded with Snape, and why Snape obeyed.
I’m really bad at explaining things, so sorry if that is hard to follow!
November 22, 2005
R.A.B. did write the note by himself, but he had to have had a partner, because not even Dumbledore could keep drinking the potion. I didn’t really think that the initials were two people, that was just an idea. Also, i was reading Order of the Phoenix last night and found an interesting little tidbit: When Harry and Arthur are leaving the Ministry after Harry’s hearing, Lucius and Fudge stop them on the way out. When Lucius bids them farewell after giving Arthur the usual snobbish remarks and all that, he makes a mistake Harry and Arthur fail to notice. He clinks a full bag of gold in his pocket. It would seem that the minister has been paying good old Lucius for something. Perhaps Malfoy has been blackmailing him? THe Malfoys seem to get everything “from the minister himself”. Any thoughts?
November 22, 2005
Oh, yeah- thanks for informing me of the Neville thing. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually thought he was the one in the prophecy.
November 22, 2005
It is the Order’s opinion that the bag of gold was not a payment to Lucius, but instead was a potential donation to the ministry itself. In the past Lucius had used his money to gain influence in the ministry. As for there being a need for two people to get the horcrux there has been a lot of speculation that Regulus used Kreacher to help him get the horcux. This seems like a viable theory. Also the inclusion of an allusion to a locket that couldn’t be opened in #12 Grimmauld Place in the fifth book seems to definitely point to Regulus as RAB.
November 22, 2005
who’s been to dumbledoreisnotdead.com? There is some interesting stuff on that site, even if that guy is totally in denial. You would think if the locket at Grimmauld Place was the horcrux, Dumbledore would’ve known. I mean, he practically lived there that summer. But it wouldn’t have been the first time Dumbledore let something important slip by.
November 22, 2005
I just had a brainwave. Regulus could’ve used the imperius curse on someone to drink the potion. Given the importance of the situation, even if he had turned to good, he probably would’ve done it. But it still seems more likely that Kreacher would’ve helped him. Dang, i never thought of Kreacher before.
November 23, 2005
el beefo it cant be borin awnd burke as the the boat they used to get to the little island could only hold one powerful wizard, so two fully grown wizards would not of been able 2 sail across in the boat to get to the potion
November 23, 2005
Yes, well, I got the impression that Harry’s power was so small In Comparison to Dumbledore’s that it didn’t really register. Dumbledore pretty much takes up 2 spots himself. Also, don’t you think some of the obstacles could have been placed by R.A.B. after he took the locket, in the interest of catching Voldemort off-guard if he ever returned with the horcrux.
November 23, 2005
I don’t really want to write all of the messages cuz it might ruin the ending for me I only read up to where Harry reads a message from someone called R.A.B. This book is killing me I wonder how long i have to, sorry, we all have to wait for the next and last one? Dammit! I should only have started reading HP when all books came out, then i won’t have to suffer, don’t you all agree? LOL. I’m feeling sad & confused about the part I’m at in the book.
November 24, 2005
Sorry, that last post doesn’t really make sense. I meant, if Voldemort ever returned to the cave to retrieve the horcrux. Also, house elves are powerfully magical creatures. And one like Kreacher, who has lived with powerful and dark wizards all of his life, would probably rate pretty high on Voldemort’s power scale thingy.
November 24, 2005
Lindsay, what part of the book are you up to?
November 24, 2005
Ok my theorys:
1. RAB is Regulus Black
2. Dunbledore is dead, but is it part of the plan - Snape was meant to kill him
3. Dumbledores reason for trusting Snape is that (vvv far fetched) Snape was in love with Lily (harrys mum) and when he saw Voldmort had murdered her (and James - who he didnt like still) he made an Unbreakable Vow to protect Harry. Might sound far fetched but Lily always stuck up for Snape, even though he was horrible to her I think she knew he had a soft spot for her.
4. Is is possible Harry is a Horocrux?
5. Regulus Black isnt dead - only hiding (as Dumbledore said he can hide people better than they could know
Plese leave comments on my theorys and let me know what you think
November 24, 2005
Maybe, jus’ maybe snape was working for the department of mysteries?
November 24, 2005
Another one of my speculations is that in the seventh book Hogwarts will not re-open. I think that the teachers who were in the Order of the Phoenix will help Harry find the horcruxes along with everyone else in the order. What do you all think.
November 24, 2005
I reckon that dumbledor isn’t really there, has there been any mention of mad eye moody in this book? I think that he is impersonating Dumbles and Dumbles doesnt actualy die.On the other hand, the dark mark is set on the astronomy tower right were dumbledore dies, i wonder if he and snape had organised it?Cause if snape was pretending to be a death eater, then it would be easy to tell them it was just a trap, mabye it could be a message also.I wreckon that harry will find some sort of clue on his parents graves.Anyway,” Godrics hollow?” Dont you some home think that harry might be related to Gryffindor? From the 12 year old moose
November 24, 2005
Another clue to support my moody is dumbledore theory, is that dumbledore empties his thouts into the pensive, never mind, just go to http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead...
From da lone moose P.S igot the harry potter book on the afternon that it came out and had read it all by the next afternoon
November 24, 2005
I dont know if this has been mentioned, but, I think that Snape HAD to kill Dumbledore. At the beginning of the book Snape made the Unbreakable Vow. I dont think he knew what it was. When he went outside and saw that Draco’s task was to kill Dumbledore, and saw that Draco was not going to do it then he had to kill Dumbledore himself, or else die. I think that JK is going to work this into the next book, because HBP started out with Snape, Bellatrix, and Draco’s mom(forgot her name) I think that JK did that for a reason and that it is very important. Also, I dont think that Snape knew about the attack at Hogwarts because he had to be woken up by a teacher, If Voldemort trusted him so much then he would have had Draco tell him of his plans. Tell me what you all think.
November 25, 2005
i agree that RAB has to be sirus’s brother. as stated above he was killed by vold, wrote on the note the dark lord (only death eaters call him this) and that he knew he was facing death (which would link to the fact he knew lord vold was affter him). it was mentioned in HBP that snape was a double spy. i believe that he is on lord vold side as when he killed dd it said his face was etched with hatred. i believe the true slyth locket is either in 12 grimmald or with mundungus who stole it when looting the house. not sure about harry being a horcrux or the snake?? it seems far too easy.. JK likes to make the story complex with twists and turns all along the plot! I know from reading interviews with J that lupin is gonna play a big part in the seventh book and that draco doesnt help harry in the end. ermmm… thats all i think!
November 25, 2005
Harry couldn’t be a horcrux because: why would Voldemort want to make him into one if he believed in the prophecy, because if he believed in the prophecy he would’ve wanted to destroy him. So if he were to make Harry a horcrux, he would be splitting his soul and then destroying part of it. Too dumb for Voldemort, eh?
November 25, 2005
At this point, I’ve done all te sleuthing i can and i have come to the following conclusions:
1.) Snape’s allegiance is a toss-up.
2.) R.A.B. could be Regulus, but it seems to obvious for an author like Jk.
3.) The Malfoys are going to play an important role in the 7th book.
4.) Dumbledore is dead-but not in vain.
5.) Dumbledore tusted Snape because he confessed his love for Lily to DD. Given that DD thought there is nothing stronger than love, this would be his reason for trusting Snape.
6.) Hermione and Ron are going to end up “together”. They have been acting like a married couple for a long time now, so it makes sense.
7.) The final battle-whether a simple duel between Harry and Voldemort or a large scale battle between the Order and the Death Eaters, will take place in Little Hangleton.
November 25, 2005
Also, it is not necessarily true that only Death Eaters call Voldemort “the dark lord”. I particularly remember Moody using the name a few times.
November 25, 2005
yes but i think that when moody was saying the dark lord he was actually barty crowch jr. and therefore a death eater! i dont remember him saying it when he was the true moody!! i may however be wrong!
November 25, 2005
I like Neb’s theory in #350 about Fawkes being some kind of a Horcrux for Dumbledore. Of course, it wouldn’t actually be a Horcrux but it could be some sort of a “light side equivalent”.
Throughout the HP series, JKR toys with the dualities between good and evil, love and murder, ambition and courage, immortality and death… so why wouldn’t have DD (supposedly the most powerful wizard in the world) found his own path to immortality?
If love is more powerful than murder, then love should also be a channel to immortality.
I do think DD is dead. It’s a necessary element of the plot. And I don’t agree with the theories about him being an Animagus and all that. That would be too clumsy a revelation in book 7.
But I’m sure a wizard as powerful as DD would have a way to live on and maintain his influence in the world in some way or the other. Given his intimate tie to Fawkes and the ties between Fawkes and Vold’s and HP’s wands, it would make sense for him to be present in book 7 through his phoenix. It would be a clever way to emphasize the bond between the three most important characters in the series: HP, Voldy and DD
November 26, 2005
I don’t think it’s a matter of whether Dumbledore is really dead or not, kids.
It’s the fact that he was so disgusted and against a horcrux. He believed in pure and unmangled souls. Why would he then go and mutilate his own?
Also, el beefo has to be one of the most intelligent Harry fans I have ever read about. All of his/her conclusions fit the 7th book’s tone perfectly.
Bravo.
November 26, 2005
Anybody else think Fawkes is going to play a key role in the next book?
November 26, 2005
Hmmm… I dont really agree with the RAB being a black, I think its to, seeable JK rowling would want to give us a shock for her last book wouldnt she? But i agree with the snape is good idea, because he could have killed harry when he called him a coward, but he didnt. if he was really a death eater wouldnt he just kill harry?
November 26, 2005
who do you think is going to lead the order of the phoenix now that DD is dead? does harry have enough credibility to do so? or will it be someone like remus lupin or kingsley shacklebolt?
November 26, 2005
who do you think is going to lead the order of the phoenix now that DD is dead? does harry have enough credibility to do so? or will it be someone like remus lupin or kingsley shacklebolt?
November 26, 2005
Moody is too radical and Lupin is too unstable (werewolf), so i’m guessing it will either be McGonagall or Arthur. They aren’t looking for the best wizard, but rather the best person to be running the show. But Arthur is busy working all the time, so….
November 26, 2005
Kingsley is good at fighting and undoubtedly a good wizard, but if it were to be voted on, i think McGonagall would clean up because she is wise and knows how to lead a group.
November 26, 2005
Just to let Morgan-had a bla bla bla know, i am a boy.
November 26, 2005
Wow some good stuff. While the initials are written in an interesting pen stroke. All three letters attached to the swooping line between the first and the last. And it is not uncommon for the the Middel Initial to actually be the first initial or the primary name. But it still seems it should be Regulus and Kreacher who took the original locket. In B&B when LM is selling dark magic items. What is the item that he refuses to sell? Is it the ring that Dumbledore destroys?
November 26, 2005
LM meaning Lucius Malfoy?
Either way, it could not have been the ring, because Dumbledore took the ring straight from the wreckage of the Gaunts’ house. Thus, Lucius could never have possessed the ring.
November 26, 2005
When the seventh book comes out, i am going to read it very slowly and carefully so that i do not miss a thing. I recommend this method for all HP readers.
November 27, 2005
EB -
Yes LM Lucius Malfoy. He refused to sell something to B&B that Borgin was quite interested in.
November 27, 2005
Alright ; I’m pretty sure that r.a.b. is regulas alphard black - & That snape was acting on dumbledore’s orders to kill him- hence what they were arguing about in the forest- But in the letter that r.a.b. writes to voldemort- he says that the horcrux will be destroyed as soon as possible ; If voldemort or one of voldemorts followers killed him before he could- That would mean that the horcrux is not destroyed & That is yet another confusingg detail that harry will be forced to face . Anyone have any ideas on this??!
November 27, 2005
Well, I am sorry but I’ve gotten all I wanted from this forum, so so long and happy holidays.
November 27, 2005
ollivander is an anagram of an evil lord.
read this on mugglenet.com and thought it was an interesting theory.
how do you guys think it fits in with what we had said before about ollivander’s disappearance and his possible involvement with V?
November 27, 2005
Many say that Harry’s scar isn’t horcrux and it was just the “mark” of Lord Voldemort’s equal. But wouldn’t that be the ULTIMATE mark of equality? By sending part of his own soul into Harry and turning him into a Horcrux wouldn’t that be the ultimate way to mark Harry as his equal. Through all of these books, Harry has been connected to Voldemort, can feel his feelings, see through his eyes, speak to snakes. It’s because part of Voldemort’s soul dwells within Harry, the final Horcrux; Dumbledore mentions that even a living animal or such can be turned into a Horcrux, yet why would he mention this if no one has ever done it before? It’s obvious that he suspects that Voldemort has indeed made a living being into a Horcrux; and ideally Harry, as the final Horcrux was to be made from his murder. However, when his Avada Kedavra curse backfired, he took “certain measures”. Instead of using Harry’s murder, fate intervened and the prophecy was truly told; he used Lily’s murder to mark Harry as his ultimate equal; a part of himself.
November 27, 2005
Whoa! That would mean that Harry would have to kill himself in order for the conflict to end! You may be on to something.
November 27, 2005
Harry being a horcrux is an interesting idea that at first glance seems impossible because Rowling seems unlikely to kill the hero of the stories. But if you think about it from Voldermort’s perspective it makes perfect sense to make Harry a horcrux before attempting to kill him. By making Harry a horcrux Voldermort would be, in effect, making himself invincible. If Harry is the only one with the power to vanquish the dark lord than Voldermort would be smart to make him a horcrux. Because if Harry ever killed Voldermort a part of his soul would still reside in Harry. The only way Harry would ever be able to truly kill Voldermort would be by killing himself to destroy the seventh of Voldermort’s soul. There is definitely an evil logic to the theory that Harry (or his scar) is a horcrux.
November 27, 2005
in the first book it says that voldermort will have a half life, a cursed life because of the unicorn blood he drank to keep him alive. If you look at the events that happen after he drinks the blood he is rather cursed with bad luck. He wasnt able to steal the stone in book 1. A horcrux was destroyed in the 2nd book and no one was killed. In the 4th book Harry escapes from voldermort, without being killed. In the 5th book voldermort is unable to kill harry yet again as well as not being able to hear the full prothecy. So he has been cursed in away, he has extremely bad luck and things often go against him consdiering hes supposed to be the greatest wizard alive, now that DD has gotten old.
November 28, 2005
Yes, well, Harry is “his equal”. So you could figure that the reason for the bad luck is that Harry and Voldemort’s fortunes have reciprocated. If this is the case, it would explain why both have had very unfortunate events occur in their lives since Voldemort’s resurrection. But neither have been without good luck, either. Dumbledore was defeated and Voldemort was able to gather his previous following of devilish creatures, while Harry had his miraculous escapes and also unconsciously destroyed (or stood by as they were destroyed) a few horcruxes.
November 28, 2005
there is no way Harry is the Horcrux. It would seems very pointless to me that this all powerful Voldemort would go to the trouble of ripping his soul and putting into HP. After all, if Harry is the last Horcrux, why would Voldemort try to kill him? He would not try to destroy his own Horcrux, seeing as the only point of having a Horcrux is to preserve his soul, not to destroy a piece of it.
November 28, 2005
I too believe it’s sirius brother, since it is only the death eaters who calls Voldemort, Dark Lord, and Regulus was a death eater. and in the message, he said, he knew he would be dead before Voldie had got a chance to read the note, because he knew leaving the deat eaters would result in his death…
November 28, 2005
I don’t think people understand that when Voldermort commits a murder he rips his soul whether he wants to or not. In some cases he will use this ripping to his advantage by creating a horcrux but either way his soul will rip apart. So to say that he would have to go through the trouble of ripping his soul in order to make Harry a horcrux is incorrect. After killing Harry’s parents Voldermort would have had the oppurtunity to make Harry a horcrux after the resulting splitting of his soul. This move seems logical from Voldermort’s point of view because even if someway Harry (the one with the power to defest him) survives there would be no way for Harry to ever kill Voldermort without killing himself because part of Voldermort’s soul would always reside within Harry.
November 28, 2005
Harry is NOT a Horcrux!
The HBP tells us (through DD) that although one can use ‘conscious beings’ as a Horcrux, it is inadvisable to entrust part of your soul to something that can think for itself. Although DD suspects that VD has used Nagini as a Horcrux, the idea that VD would risk making Harry into a Horcrux seems highly risky.
DD tells us that he believes VD had intended to use Harry’s death as ‘the act of supreme evil’ required to create a Horcrux … but he would have created it from an object rather than Harry himself. … however, this plan, as we know, backfired, and DD believes that when this happened, VD failed in his intent to create the 7th Horcrux.
Also - as Rikky @ 420 point out - if VD had created a Horcrux in Harry, why would he have been setting about to kill Harry (and thereby destroy part of his own soul) all these years?
Amrick @ 401 - Yes - I think that Fawkes will play a crucial role in the next book! I think the imagery of Phoenixes dying and being reborn from the ashes is something that JK will use as a vehicle for DD’s influence to continue, but not in a “DD is really alive after all!” kind of way … we have seen before Fawkes’ and DD’s instinctive understanding of each other … how Fawkes carries DD’s messages, or powers of protection to those who need it when DD himself has not been able to be there … almost as though Fawkes is an extension of DD’s own being … so, although DD is dead, something of his presence and influence will live on through Fawkes.
I also am intrigued to see what transpires in relation to Harry’s and VD’s wands, both of which carry a feather from the same phoenix (Fawkes) …
As for the setting of the next book, I think that although a large proportion will be ‘out & about’, with Harry hunting down and destroying Horcruxes, inevitably we will find ourselves at Hogwarts some of the time, for three reasons … firstly, that it would be odd, given that all the other books have been set at Hogwarts, for book 7 to buck the trend … secondly, that much of the wealth of detail in the characters and relationships between them, has been developed in and around Hogwarts, and thirdly … because I wouldn’t be surprised to find at least one of the Horcruxes is at Hogwarts!
November 28, 2005
Snape & Harry … what are people’s views on:
1.) Why did DD trust Snape so completely … what information did DD have about Snape that convinced him that he had forever turned his back on VD, but was prepared to risk his life spying for DD?
Personally, I think Snape was in love with Lily … there’s not a lot of evidence to support this, but HBP tells us they were both gifted at Potions … and in PoA (I think?) we see how Lily defends Snape (up to a point) against the taunts of James, Sirius & Co. So, not a lot of evidence, but if true, the theory would explain Snape’s utter remorse at having passed on information to VD about James and Lily’s whereabouts, allowing VD to kill them … it would explain why he hated James (because lily loved him, and not Snape), and would explain why Snape would forever hate Harry (because Lily sacrificed her life in order to save Harry’s), and yet vow to protect him, because he wants revenge on VD, and understands that Harry is somehow key to the defeat of VD …
2.) Assuming Snape has been working for DD all along, how will he ever convince Harry, or members of the Order, that he can help them in their fight against VD? He would appear to have burnt his bridges / used up all his credibility, by killing DD! So, if this was all part of DD’s plan, and that Snape went along with it … what needs to happen for Harry etc to accept this?
I think there are probably very few clues, and we can only speculate …
Maybe DD finds a way of leaving a message for Harry, or communicating to him, to explain all of this …?
Maybe Snape provides information somehow that leads to Harry being able to track down / destroy Horcruxes …?
Maybe he sacrifices himself and ends up getting killed in order to protect Harry from a death-eater / VD …?
Maybe, Snape plays the part of VD’s servant all through book 7 until the final showdown, in which he unmasks himself and betrays VD at the last moment in order to help Harry destroy VD …?
What do other people speculate?
November 28, 2005
I read some of the thought’s above, and I must say there were some intresting things between them:
First of all I agree with the R,A,B being Sirius brother (Regulus) theorie and that he stole the horcrux with kreacher and hid it in Grimboud 12, who else than a death-eather could have tracked the location of the horcrux??
about the horcruxes,
I do not believe harry potter or his scar is one,
For the simple reason: Voldemort doesn’t like to be independeble of someone else,
by making harry a horcrux he is…
about the other horcroxes:
I think the cup, the snake and some other stufe
I didn’t gave it much thought.
But for all we know, Regulus may have tracked down a cople of more horcruxes.
However I,m pretty sure Regulus id dead, and not “hidden better than you can imagene” by Dumbledore or an other member of the Fenix.
Because if he was, he would have asked Dumbledore’s help for tracking down the horcruxes
or at least told him, He already stole one.
Also I’m sure Dumbledore an Sirius are dead, because Jk rowling wants you to understand harry’s hate for Voldemort, it would be a bit softy if one of them would suddenly come back.
That leaves us with the big question:
Why the HELL did Snape kill Dumbledore?
well let’s say he was working on Dumbledore’s orders
which is verry well possible because:
-Dumbledore didn’t plead for the other death-eaters,
They also could have killed the weakened wisserd with not to much trouble,
Meaning Dumbledore was pleading snape to kill him.
-On snape’s escape he didn’t hurt Harry Potter, he even gave him some advice
-Snape doesn’t like to be called a coward what is quite understandeble seeing what he had to do if he’s one Dumbledore’s sight
-There was an argument between Dumbledore and Snape in the forest, what me have been about Dumbledore wantin Snape to kill him if it would come to that. But Snape would rather have gave his own live..
and there are many other clues to find in the books:
it also explains Dumbledore’s enourmes trust in snape
but the most important reason I could make up was:
By killing Dumbledore, Snape saved the lives of himself, Draco and draco’s mother, otherwise they would all have gotten killed. With Dumbledore dead snape will get a lot of respect of the death-eaters and Voldemort will trust him a lot.. ,
So infect When Dumbledore sacrificed him self he made 2 power full weapons:
1 Harry potter, how saw many of his beloved ones die, he is now turing in some
“Killing Voldemort Machine”
2 Sneep, he probably wants revenge on Voldemort for making him kill Dumbledore, and of course he is a good spy.
- But what I don’t understand is:
If Sneep didn’t want to kill Dumbledore why did he had for the astromy tower in the first place? or was he just playin his double-role?
- And the Halfblood Prince thing, doesn’t seem to fit in, that book is more or less pointing out Sneep is evil.. Or did he turn over to the right sight when Lilly died?
But these are just my thoughts..
enough theories for now.
Feel free to react
Oh yeah I wonder if Dumbledore’s brother will play a roll in part 7
November 28, 2005
Harry cant be a horcrux because the prothecy says that one must kill the other to survive or sumthing like that, so if harry was a horcrux he would have to kill himself, but if he did that how then could he kill voldermort if harry is already dead, so harry being a horcrux doesnt really make sense for the prothecy
November 29, 2005
KPH @ 424-
I believe some have mentioned the belief that Dumbledore knew he could trust Snape because of Snape’s love for Lily- no matter how unrequited.
They have also stated that Dumbledore holds love above all the other powers, and that it is a sign of the good in everyone.
So to answer your question- Snape loved Lily.
November 29, 2005
Ahh.
But we were on the same track the whole time.
^_^ I simply skimmed your comment, and just went back and read what you said about the matter. Sorry, KPH!
December 1, 2005
Who do you think will die in the seventh book? (main characters or just background characters)
December 1, 2005
Hi i just saw the 4 movie and it missees out heaps of things that will be important in future movies
December 3, 2005
I would like to believe that Snape is good but everything about him is so evil and asociated with being a death eater, take the way he regards tonks when she brings Harry back to school after malfoy knocks him out on the train, there is no reoson for him to act like that his is simply evil!
December 3, 2005
Just bin reading the bit about dumbledores death again, on page 553 in the half blood prince dumbledore says “it is my mercy, and not yours that matters now.” could he be speaking of an agreement that he had with snape, to kill him for draco if draco couldnt do it. perhaps dumbledore could of said nothing and snape would not of killed him…
December 4, 2005
hey i was just reading OOTP and when moody showed the photograph of the original order. Aberforth (dumbledores brother) was mentioned and i think he could have a main role in the whole R.A.B thing. i also rckn that the guy who talked about the locket that refused to open in the Black house was spot on!!!
December 5, 2005
A few off the wall things I thought about, mostly dealing with Rowling’s apparent obssesion with astronomy:
1)many of the charecters in the HP series have the same names as stars, ie
-Sirius: the brightest star excepting our sun, called the dog star, is a part of the constelation cannis major (great dog).
-Regulus: the center star in the constalatioon of Leo (the Lion) known as the King star or the heart of the lion.
-Merope: star in the constelation of Taurus (the Bull).
-Draco: a constelation of a dragon by name but a snake by description (the star Rastaban, one at the head of the constelation, is called the Head of the Snake (not the head of the dragon)).
-Alphard: star in the water serpent Hydra, the star was called the heart of Hydra.
-Bellatix: a star in the constelation of Orion the Hunter, translated as a warioress.
Someoone also commented on Lupin being a star but I never found evidence of this.
I thought it interesting that Rowling used the stars so much in making the charecters of her book. Also interesting is the colors representing charecters (we have seen the death’s of Black (Sirius) and White (Dumbledore) and it has been suggested that Rufus Scrimgeour and Rubeus Hagrid both represent red. I wonder if the autor tied the colors to the four horses mentioned in the biblical book Revelations, one horse being black, another white, one red, and one described as pale, though it isusually painted as grey. Could the colors tell us who will go next. No proof from the book about this thought but it may be a pattern in the author’s head.
As far as the RAB argument goes i agree that, of all the charecters we have been introduced to, the best canidate is Regulus Black. And as he needs a helper, I feel that the best, of the charecters we know of, is Kreacher.
As far as the final showdown with Voldemort, I believe that Wormtail will attack the Dark Lord with that awesome silver hand he has and will either suceed in overthrowing him enough to allow Harry to fininsh him, or Snape will interfere stop the fall of the Dark Lord by Wormtail’s hand. I do not think Dumbledore will come back in any way during the last battle, as he is dead, though I think that dumbledore’s portrait will help him and Harry will be given the pensieve to assist him in his search for the last horcruxes.
As far as the Horcruxes go, I believe there were five made before Voldemorts fall, and one after. The seventh peices i believe was destroyed when his Killing Curse backfired onto him, killing all there was to kill of him, 1/7 of his soul.
The horcruxes, in my mind, are:
1/7- killed when Voldemort first fell
2/7- killed by Harry as the Diary
3/7- killed by Dumbledore as Gaunt’s ring
4/7- the Slytherin Locket supposedly destroyed by RAB, though I think it is in #12 Grimauld Place
5/7- the Hufflepuff Cup which I believe to be in the room of requirement
6/7- The Ravenclaw object
7/7- a Gryfindor object or Nagini the snake
I do not want to believe that the snake is a horcrux, I would much rather believe that Voldemort had acsess to both a Ravenclaw and Gryfindor object. Though to some of you this may be a dumb thing to say, as the Gryfindor sword may not be the only object Gryfindor owned, I was under the impression that it was the only one left. As far as Voldemort making a horcrux after his rebirth, I think that if he did he probably used one of the artifacts instead of the snake. I think he had the above described artifact when he went to finish off the Potters, and I doubt that he brought it with him to Godric’s Hollow, though i did like the idea that Harry could go to his parents graves and find one. I think Voldemort had the objects safely hidden when he went to visit the Potters, mabey even in the same place they would be hidden when they became spirit carrying horcruxes, and I believe that on his return, Voldemort simply killed someone and then made the horcrux with the safley preserved object.
As far as arguments go for Nagini, I think everything in the books leads to her being a horcrux, but as I said earlier, I just don’t like the idea of her being a horcrux. I would much rather think that the Dark Lord has an amazing amount of control over her and that Harry’s vision was simply because the snake was being controlled. But disrupting this theory is a phrase that Dubledore used in book five, when Harry saw Mr. Weasley attacked. Dumbledore looked into the smoke from a magical silver instument in his office, which had formed a snake, and said “But in essence divided?” and the snake split in two. I believe the first snake represented Voldemort. And I think the split described the split mind (or spirit) of Voldemort. This in context seems to affirm that part of Voldemort is inside the giant snake, Nagini. What are your guys’ veiws on this matter (Not on the snake being a Horcrux, we’ve heard enough of those, but on the phrase and smoke)?
On the note of Harry being a horcrux, idoubt he is and think it only possible if Voldemort made an accident. You must not focus on the prophesy but just what Voldemort knew about the prophesy, and what he knew was that his fall would be caused by someone who was born as July ended, to parents had defided him three times. While Neb makes a great point about Voldemort making Harry a horcrux just in case, and then attacking, this would only be logical if Voldemort knew that the attacked boy would be marked as his equal and that the boy had powers the Dark Lord did not know. As Voldemort did not know this, but simply that a so described person would be his downfall, Voldemort would have attacked without fear of his own death.
I also wonder about the goblin made Tiara Fleur will be wearing at her wedding. I had suspicions about it ever since I read the book, I don’t know why, though someone pointed out that there is a Tiara in the Room of Requirement which could be Ravenclaws horcrux, hidden there when Voldemort applied for a teaching position at Hogwarts. I also fear that the Death Eaters will attack at Bill and Fleur’s wedding, seeing how Dumbledore is out of the way and just about everyone at he wedding will be in the Order.
Another thought, I believe Ginny and Harry will get back togeather, Harry realising that the Dark Lord will attack the one he loves even if they aren’t going out. I also believe that Hermione and Ron will get togeather, as well as neville and Luna, and possibly Dean and Parvatti. If there was a class reunion ten years later, I would also expect Anthony and Padma to be togeather and Hannah with Ernie. I don’t think draco will show up, as he will be dead
Another little thing, the witch who bore Hufflepuff’s cup was a descendent of Hufflepuff, and her last name is Smith. Coincidently, there is a boy in Hufflepuff in Harry’s year named Zacharias Smith. Anybody else think they are related? And will the annoying Zacharias make up with Harry to help him if he is, or could he turn to the Death Eaters for help agaisnt Potter and Co.?
This is just food for thought. I hope I haven’t offended anyone. And if anyone digs up more astronomical stuff, please post it.
~ The Copper Phoenix
December 5, 2005
I hope when Book 7 finnaly makes it to us , that the whole book will not be obsessed with the destruction of each horcrux. I mean i actually found the expeditioon at the end of the HBP to be rather dull (I bet some of you would like to kill me for writing that).
I would much read about wizard on wizard battles, and love, deception, and intrigue. I hope RAB has destroyed all but one of the Horcruxes, as a long description of each will be dull and a short skim over will be pointless. I want to read about the end of Voldemort Inc. Anyone else feel the same way?
December 5, 2005
As for prophecies, everyone seems to have forgotten about the two that broke in the department of mysteries, due to a scuffle between Bellatrix and Lucius . . .
“. . . at the solstice will come a new . . .” said the figure of an old bearded man.
[More yelling Death Eaters]
” . . . and none will come after . . .” said the figure of a young woman.”
does anybody think it pointless that Rowling put these blips in? Cause I don’t. Bellatrix’s stunning spell hit the shelf a foot to Harry’s left, so I think the prophecies happened near the same time as Trelawney’s, and they both, in my mind seem to be talking about the end of someone or something. I believe this is the dark Lord, but with as little said out of these two clips it is hard to think of anyway they could help our heroes even if our heroes someday remember them. Anybody have a good idea? Will the two be remembered an sought out?
By the way, thanks for the intelligent conversation here. Lots of the other sites have quite a bit of trash.
~The Copper Phoenix
December 5, 2005
If, as most people seem to think, RAB is Sirius’s brother, Regulus (A) Black … then what happened to him?
Some views have it that he is dead / was killed on VD’s orders (do we know this for a fact … or are we just told that VD ordered him killed, and presumed this was successfully carried out?)
Other views have it that he has been hidden (in the way that DD offered to Malfoy … “we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine” … )and that Regulus has been hidden by DD, but made to appear as though he were killed …
If the latter possibility, I had a sudden moment of inspiration last night as I was reading PoA to my two sons. I got to the bit where Harry and Ron are outside late, after Quidditch practice, and Harry sees two eyes gleaming at him out of the darkness, and fears they belong to the big black dog (aka Sirius) … they turn out to belong to Crookshanks, Hermione’s cat! But it reminded me that elsewhere in the book, we find out that Crookshanks and the big black dog are seen together … and clearly Crookshanks has been helping Sirius try to locate and kill Ron’s rat Scabbers (aka Peter Pettigrew)
Could Crookshanks be Regulus Black? Sirius is an animagus … does this / can this run in families? Is Regulas an animagus too? We also know that Crookshanks enters the HP series in the same book as Sirius does - is that significant, or coincidence? And we know (or are led to believe) that there is more to Crookshanks than meets the eye …
I was dead excited when this possibility occured to me … but I also have a suspicion that i might have missed something about Crookshanks, some information that is given elsewhere … is there some information in one of JK’s other books (”magical creatures and where to find them”?) that tells us more about Crookshanks?
What do other people think?
December 5, 2005
There is information given about Crookshanks on JK Rowling’s site. She asserts that Crookshanks is part kneezle which supposedly explains his intelligence. I have also thought about the cat being a animagus but I doubt Rowling would point out the cats mixed anscestry as an explanation for intelligence if he was indeed an animagus. Typically Rowling does not try to mislead with information on her site.
I read in one of the earlier posts about the “essence divided” question by Dumbledore in the fifth book. It seems to me that Dumbledore was trying to figure out if Harry was being possessed by Voldermort as a spy, as Dumbledore feared. By seeing the snakes seperate it seems that Dumbledore found out that Harry was stilling acting on his own accord.
Lastly I want to throw in one of my earlier theories that nobody commented on. The look of triumph that came to Dumbledore’s eyes after he found out about Voldermort’s use of Harry’s blood to re-generate seems important to me. I think it shows that Dumbledore sees the blood use as a transfer of some of Harry’s love to Voldermort. This belief may be confirmed by Voldermorts comment that he has become “sentimental” at the end of the fourth book. Undoubtedly the ability to love doesn’t mean Voldermort will know how to or will love. But I believe that Harry is going to have to relate to Voldermort over their similar pasts (shown to Harry by Dumbledore) and show him what love is. When Voldermort is able to put his evil acts into perspective, after learning to love, I believe it will destroy him (just as the rebel druid Brona was destroyed by the truth in the Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks). Please comment on this theory, I want to see if people think it has any merit.
December 6, 2005
I think that Regulus has put a spel on Slytherin’s locket, that it can only be opened in the presence of a member of the Black-family. Because both Black’s are dead the piece of Voldemort’s soul will remain within, an even Voldemort will be unable to reach it. So when finally Harry succeed to kill Voldemort (with the help of Snape and Draco) Voldemort will not die nor will he get back the part off his soul. He’ll have to live without his soul and to live a life (as Dumbledore told him) a life worse than dead. “There is nothing worse than death Dumbledore” snarled Voldemort. “You are quite wrong” said Dumbledore “Indeed your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness” (Order of the Phoenix page 719)
December 6, 2005
Neb, I think your theory of the reasoning behind Dumbledore’s smile makes perfect sense, but I don’t agree with your prediction of how Voldemort will be destroyed. I would say that Dumbledore was happy because Voldemort took in Harry’s love as a supposed protection when in actuallity, the loving blood would help in Voldemort’s downfall. Then of course, we may never know why he smiled as he is dead and he (Rowling) can’t tell us in the seventh book.
December 6, 2005
A revision of my final battle theory:
I think that the battle will take place at Hogwarts, starting on the grounds, and moving into the castle itself, probably ending in the room of requirement, or with Voldemort being blasted off the tower just like Dumbledore was. I think that Hogwarts will not reopen and that, because of the immense amount of magical protection around the castle, Voldemort will make it his headquarters. I think that a Horcrux is hidden in the Room of Requirement, and Harry will figure this out somehow. He will then infiltrate the castle via the lake. Moaning Myrtle told us in book 4 that the sewage pipes empty into the lake, and so the lake is dirrectly connected to the Chamber of secrets through the plumbing. I also think the Room of requirement is connected to the Chamber somehow. In book 4 dumbledor told of the R of R becoming a room full of toilets. And while the waste could have magically vanished when Dumbledore flushed, I think that the plumbing actually ran to the R of R, atleast at this time. I like the idea of the R of R being connected to the Basilisk’s lair because Riddle had to find someway out of the Chamber of Secrets after he awoke the snake. I seriously doubt that the Basilisk pushed Riddle all the way back up to Myrtles bath room, or carried him, so there has to be another way out. It can be disputed that Riddle never left the bathroom as Myrtle heard a boys voice and upon the immediate opening of the stall door saw the huge green eyes, but I think that Riddle probably had to go into the chamber to awaken the beast as Harry did, before he could call on the snake at will.
While Harry and probably Hermione and Ron are infiltrating the castle (with the help of the Marrauder’s Map and Fred and George’s products) the battle will begin outside, calling all Death Eaters to defend the school from the Order of the Phoenix. The Order might even show up because someone get’s kidnapped and taken into Hogwarts to be gaurded by the Dark Lord. Anyways, the centaurs will come out of the forest and attack the army of werewolves, while veela, bound by relation to Fleur and therfore the Order, will attack the Inferi with their handfulls of flame. Anything that gets into the water will be killed by the merpeople. Wizards and witches will fight witches and wizards. While the battle rages (probably having some Weasley Wildfire Wizbangs adding to the confusion) Tonks will be attacked by Wormtail. Lupin will come to the rescue and will probably save Tonks but will be mortaly wounded by Wormtails silver hand. Snape will attack Wormtail in an effort to save Lupin. Bellatrix will see Snapes double crossing and will attack Snape, but Neville will kill Bellatrix with Sectumsempra, as this does not seem to be a difficult curse to pull off, and Neville could have access to the HBP’s potion book if Harry retrieved it (this retrival would be done on Hermione’s insistance that it is good to learn about your enemies, as she gave this excuse for her continued reading of the Daily Prophet in their fifth year). Fawkes will fly down out of a flash of flame and cry on Lupin to save him, though Lupin will remain unconscious due to loss of blood. Nagani will attack Fawkes and there will be a side battle between the to great wizard’s pets. Fawkes will win, and the Nagani horcrux, if she is one, will be destroyed. Firenzemay even save some prominent centaur like Bane from a werewolf and thus earn his right to rejoin the tribe and the Forbidden Forrest at last. As the battle rages outside the HHR trio (Harry, Hermione, Ron ) will attack from the inside, destroying the Horcrux in the R of R. Voldemort will be killed by Snape, who will then die due to another unbreakable oath. As he dies, Snape will tell Harry he is sorry and that he loved Lilly.
Problems: foremost is that Harry is supposed to kill Voldemort, but I don’t think that he will have too. He already killed Voldemort once as a child and again in his second year as Riddle. I don’t think the prophesy meant that Harry had to kill all of Voldemort, as he has killed 2/7ths, but that he must kill some of Voldemort. If you remember, the prophesy said nothing about rebirth, and Dumbledore killed at least one part of Voldemort’s soul when he destroyed the Gaunt Ring horcrux so the death of Voldemort can’t rely soley on Harry. So Snape killing Voldemort doesn’t seem such a big deal if he is only killing the living 1/7th of Voldemort, especially if Harry has killed atleast 2/7ths of Voldemort by the time The Story ends. Another problem is the words of Dumbledoe telling Harry that Wormtail was indebted to him, due to Harry’s mercy. I can’t see Wormtail helping to fight any DE’s though (let alone Voldemort) except for Snape whom Peter seems to loath more than he did in his school years. Another thing is I left out the goblins, giants, Grawp and the Dementors, but I can’t see how they fit into the last battle except that the Dementors are multiplying in the fog, probably in expectation of a great battle, and the goblins are some of the magical bretheren so they should be on the good side (I think the hundred or so house elves are duty bound to Hogwarts, not to a person, and will not obey the Dark Lord when he beggins his occupation of the castle. They could even turn out to be key to helping the HHR trio around the castle). Grawp may die saving Hagrid or someone else from atleast one giant, but otherwise I see as much point to adding Grawp to the final battle as adding the thestrals or unicorns or acromantulas.
Sidenotes: I think the Order and the true and loyal members of the D.A. (including the trio) will enter the impenetrable schoolgrounds via the lake, which opened for the Durmstrang ship. Krum, still loving Hermione, will offer his assistance in guiding the magical ship and will probably join the fray on the Hogwarts grounds. It would also be awesome if there were some wizards on brooms doing arrial attacks on the Demntors and Inferi. I can just see all five of the flying Weasleys, with their flaming red hair, shouting Incendio while soaring over the battle in Hawks Head Formation, (especially Ginny). It would also be neat if Charlie and and his dragon keeper friends somehow brought a few dragons to light things up a bit, but I doubt this will happen.
After thinking about and rerereading the books, I am left wondering if the secret passage in Hogwarts that got caved in will have anything to do with the ending. The map wasn’t given to Harry untill after he had been in the Chamber of Secrets. Lockhart had created a rockslide in the Chamber. What if another rockslide blocked the secret passage at the same time? I’m pretty sure Fred and George didn’t say how long that passage had been shut up, but that passasge could have been Riddle’s path in and out of the Chamber of Secrets, while the bathroom would have just been where the snake came out. (I’m kinda stuck wondering why Rowling brought up Myrlte in the second task if this wasn’t to point out to Harry that there are otherways into, around, and out of Hogwarts than the ways he already knows).
I also wonder if Riddle created the R of R while he was at Hogwarts, needing a place to hide someting and therefore making a room that would simply fit his
(or anyone’s ) needs.
Any thoughts, from you guys? (you probably think I’m raving) (j/k).
~ The Copper Phoenix
December 6, 2005
Aren’t kneezles those hedgehog like creatures with magical quills who think someone is constantly trying to kill them?
I have often wondered about Crookshanks, but having never gone to Rowling’s web page and concluding that crookshanks is not an Animagus, I am simply waiting for something to be explained about him. Unfortunatley, there is only one book left to do all the explaining in.
~ Th Copper Phoenix
December 6, 2005
Anybody else up for the Theory that Snape had to make an unbreakable oath with Voldemort. Taht would be a supposed third oath, and they are so close to opposition that it is really a miracle that snape is still alive
Oaths:
1) to Narcissa- to help Draco to the best of his abbillities, and protect Draco, even with his own life, and do what Draco would have in the event that Draco couldn’t do it.
2) to Dumbledore- to protect Harry Potter (and probably other things/people) from Voldemort and his Death Eaters
3) to Voldemort- an oath to never attack Voldemort and to help the Dark Lord
Oaths 2 and 3 were both made to keep Snape from betraying the party he was supposedly spying for, though we don’t know for sure yet which party Snape was loyal to.
Another thing, will the Department of Mysteries be brought back into play? We only know about the death, time, planet, prophecy, thought, and supposed love rooms. But I believe there were a dozen doors in the blue-candle-lit foyer, and we don’t know how many other rooms branch off like the space and prophecy rooms did. What else is there? What is behind the other eight main doors? And how could this affect the story?
~ The Copper Phoenix
Sorry, there are seven other doors, as one is the entrance/exit to the foyer.
December 6, 2005
Is an Unbreakable oath broken when the promised to person dies? If so, and if Snape did make an oath to Dumbledore to protect Harry, then Snape’s lack of aggressiveness toward Hary as he flees Hogwarts is evidence of Snapes goodness and real intentions.
The other option is that Snape didn’t know the answer himself and was therefore too scared to try and hurt Harry. I don’t think any of us believe Snape, left (literally left) Harry for Voldemort to finish off, as Snape could have easily stunned Harry and taken him via side along apparition to Voldemort.
Once again your thoughts are appreciated.
~The Copper Phoenix
December 6, 2005
Anybody have any ideas as to the connection between Godric Gryffindor (one of the 4 founders) and Godric’s Hollow (where the Potter’s were buried and probably also where they were hiding from Voldemort)?
~The Copper Phoenix
December 6, 2005
in the HBP doesnt harry go into the Room of Requirment when he hides the book, i think i remember reading that he placed a goblet of some sort possibly a cup on top of the book this could be the hufflepuff cup that he stole off the old lady and therefore one of his horcruxs
I believe Harry is a long distant relative of Godric as he and his parents lived there, he was able to pull godrics sword out of the sorting hat.
I wonder what sort of things harrys parents did, they were suppose to be unspeakables werent they and apparently in the 7th book we find out what exactly they did and how they got all their money, has ne1 got ne ideas on what they did, and also how they stopped voldermort 3 times be4 he eventually killed them??
December 6, 2005
I think that Ym in message 72 is right. that regulus brought kreacher along. i haven’t read the rest, but this is my theorie:
RAB is regulus black ( the A is not ‘and’ because in dutch it’s also a en ‘and’ is in duth ‘en’..) kreacher helped him, or regulus has let kreacher drink it, cause he has written the note before he died. if voldemort killed regules cause he knows about the horcruxes, he must have made another one, cause he wanted 7 horcruxes.
Maybe there are 5 horcruxes, cause he wanted to make the sixth when he tried to kill harry.
About sneep and dumbledore, i hope that sneep is good. I love sneep!!
December 7, 2005
harrys scar cant’ be a horcrux because LV didn’t try to give it to him. he tried to kill harry, and the curse backfired. how could he have planned to use harrys scar as a horcrux if he didn’t know he was going to give him one?
December 7, 2005
Esther i beleive ur theory on Regulas and kreacher as the house elf would have to do everything his master told him and if he he tell kreacher to drink the potion he wouldnt stop, it also makes sense for as both of them would be able to fit on that magical boat that takes them to the island. AS well as kreacher takin all of the valuables and hidin them in the OFTF, he could of been tryin to hide the locket as regulas told him to look after it
December 7, 2005
message 108, amrick, youre theorie is very likely..
i don’t believe that snape killed dumbledore for voldemort, but for dumbledore himself. i hope so that Snape is a good guy :p
December 7, 2005
@446, Did the Potters live in Godric’s Hollow when they were in hiding or before they left society. In other words, where they buried at the same place as they died or at the place were they were hiding. If the first, what relation is there between the Potters and Godric? If the second, why would Dumbledore send Lilly and James to a place named after Gryffindor?
~The Copper Phoenix
December 8, 2005
Everyone seems to want to think good of Snape, but I don’t think he is good. He isn’t a Death Eater but he’s not serving the right either. I think he is just like Umbridge, flat out evil. As Lupin said to Harry, “The world is not divided into good people and Death Eaters.”
I belive that Snape started out joining te Dark Lord because he had no self confidence, I mean, he had a shaky begining with his parents fighting all the time, and he didn’t rise up at all when he got to Hogwarts. He wasn’t as good looking or athletic or possibly even as smart as James Potter (James was described as the smartest in his year, but Snape was also very smart). Even in his best subject, Potions, Snape was matched or beaten by Lilly (a muggle). And then James got Snape’s heartache. Snape went to the Dark Lord because he hated James and because the dark arts was his next best subject after potions (guessing there).
Voldemort ordered Snape to spy on Dumbledore, but after learning the Dark Lord had killed Lilly, Snape decided to turn back to the right. I don’t think Dumbledore completely fell for Snape’s story of remorse, and so Dumbledore had Snape make an Unbreakable Vow before sending him off to spy on Voldemort (I think Voldemort would have made Snape make an Unbreakable Vow with him before sending Snape off to spy, so Dumbledore’s Vow would have to make sure Snape didn’t turn against the Order, while at the same time not contradicting Voldemort, as this would kill Snape and a dead spy is worthless). Snape may have turned to the right, but he never lost his anger at Voldemort for killing Lilly and so would never rejoin the Death Eaters. When Harry got to Hogwarts 10 years later, however, Snape was reminded of James as Harry looked an awful lot like him, and Harry palyed quidditch and did rather well in school and basically everything else James did/was. Snape probably noticed Lilly’s eyes in Harry, as he had glared back into James’ so often and looked longingly into her’s. But this would have only made Snape madder as it reminded him of the one’s he loved (Lilly), hated (James), couldn’t have (Lilly because she choose James), and killed (Lilly via Voldemort). In the end Snape worked a way around Dumbledores Vow and killed him. Harry was left alive because, according to Dumbledore’s Vow, Snape couldn’t kill Harry.
So Snape is bad but not working with the Death Eaters. He is mad because of the loss of the girl he longed for, and because he longed for her, as she was muggle born. He is mad at Voldemort and Dumbledore for restricting his actions, and he is mad at Harry because he is a reminder of all those angers and Snape still can’t do anything about it.
~ The Copper Phoenix
December 8, 2005
Snape’s Vow:
(According to the HBP chapter 2 Spinner’s End)
I believe Snape made an unbreakable vow with Dumbledore when Snape confessed his remorse at Lilly’s death and joined the Order. Some clues as to what this vow contained can be seen at Spinner’s end.
1- Snape was to never seek out the Dark Lord (after the Dark Lord’s fall).
2- Snape was to never aid in (and possibly do all that he could to thwart) the return of the Dark Lord.
3- Snape was to never kill Harry Potter or allow any one else to kill Hary in front of him.
While the first two are guesses, derived from Snape’s answers to Bellatrix’s acusations, the last I am almost certain of, as it explains why Snape didn’t kill Harry in ‘the Flight of the Prince’. It also explains why Snape forced Amycus/Alecto to not curse him. Either one of these actions would have potentially left Snape dead. Snape also said, speaking of Dumbledore’s favorite student, “I would be a fool to kill him, or allow him to be killed in front of me.”
The first two guesses are also based on Snape’s defense, but I think Snape lied (that is what a spy does for a living), and thinking of the vow he made with Dumbledore gave Snape some idea’s for his argument with Bellatrix. While there are other things Snape said, I can’t see them as a part of a vow, and some of these may even be the truth.
You guys have any idea as to what else Dumbledore could have made him swear to do?
~The Copper Phoenix
December 8, 2005
Sorry to those of you who are confussed with #451.
The first word on the fourth line is supposed to be ‘lived’
Once again, my appologies.
~The Copper Phoenix
December 8, 2005
No offense Copper Phoenix but I find it unlikely that Dumbledore would force anybody to make an unbreakable vow. Part of giving somebody a second chance is not supposing, initially, that they are going to do it again. Also your speculation on the “Flight of the Prince” chapter might need some fine tuning. First, it seems likely that Voldermort really did ask the death eaters to leave Harry alone because the dark lord wants to kill him himself. Voldermort is prideful and it seems unlikely that he would want anybody to think he could be thwarted by a teenager, or outdone by one of his death eaters (if they were to kill Harry). Also at the end of the afore mentioned chapter Snape did begin an attack on Harry. If you remember he was sent running by Buckbeak (Witherwings) before he could further his attack. His rage at Harry’s calling him a coward, which would certainly make Snape mad if he was ordered by Dumbledore himself to kill him, seemed to move Snape to attack.
December 9, 2005
True Dumvledore probably didn’t ‘make’ Snape swear to do anything. But if Dumbledore needed more proof as to the reality of Snape’s change of Heart , I think an unbreakable vow would be the easiest and surest way (even if Dumbledore was convinced by Snapes story, Dumbledore could have asked Snape to make an unbreakable vow simply because Snape was going to begin work as a spy). And from Snapes point of view, it probably seemed that he was being forced into something. Let me explain.
When Snape showed up to acknowledge his error of ways and confess his change of heart (after the Potter’s deaths), Dumbledore already knew that Voldemort had heard of the prophecy and the only people who could have told Voldemort were Dumbledore and Snape (Trelawney didn’t remember). So as Dumbledore knew he hadn’t spread the word, the only other person who could have was Snape. Thinking along these lines, Dumbledore probably deduced that Snape was working for Voldemort (not just eaves-dropping for the heck of it or for tips o how to get a job).
So, back to Snape confessing, Snape knew that he either had to convince Dumbledore or serve a sentance, probably Life, in Azkaban for what he had done as a Death Eater. In other words Snape was ‘forced’ to do whatever it took to earn Dumbledores trust. The other option was life with the Dementors, a virtual death. So if Dumbledore asked Snape, no matter how politley, to make an unbreakable vow with him, Snape probaly would have felt that he was being forced to do something.
So iff Dumbledore really didn’t fall for Snape’s tale of remorse, and iff Dumbledore asked him to make an unbreakable oath, Snape probably would have felt he was being ‘made’ to do something, even though he had other options.
To Neb, I belive that Snape was allowed to hurt Harry but not to kill him. I think Snape may have been afraid that Amycus or Alecto would drive Harry to his grave with the Cruciattus Curse. And while Snape could have seriously hurt Harry had Buckbeak not shown up, I don’t think he would have killed Harry (Snape would have wondered if his death wasn’t to high a price to pay for ridding the world of the last Potter). Basically all of my thoughts on this subject originate from the idea that Snape was bound by an oath so if Snape never made an oath, all of my latest points are irrelevant.
~The Copper Phoenix
P.S. How would you feel if somebody called you a coward not knowing that your actions were based on the desires of another?
December 9, 2005
For those of you who believe Borgin and/or Burke are the people represented by R.A.B. ( R_____ Borgin and B_____ Burke).
Burke’s first name was Caractucus. I still don’t know Borgin’s first name, even though he seems to be mentioned alot more than Burke.
If you want evidence, you can find Burke’s first name in HBP when Dumbledore tells Harry how Merope had sold her ring to Burke for 10 galleons (I belive this is in the intro by Dumbledore to Harry before they enter Riddle’s orphanage days via the pensieve).
So while Borgin could be R.A.B. (though I doubt it), Burke can officially be removed from the list of options.
If anyone knows Borgin’s name please tell me!
And Neb, what’s a kneazle. I don’t doubt your word or that they exist in the magical world, I just need my memory refreshed. (By the way, thanks for responding to my overly long thinking process. Your just about the only person who does.)
December 9, 2005
replying to 451: i think that the potters (lilly and james) lived in gordic hollow, because once they had a secret keeper they didn’t really have to go into hiding. in one of the books it said that voldemort wouldn’t be able to find them even if he was looking through their front window, unless the secret keeper told. so considering that they didn’t really go into ‘hiding’, i think gordics hollow is where they lived.
December 9, 2005
Hey Copper Phoenix I just looked at the Harry Potter lexicon to find a defintion of what a kneazle is (sorry about the prior misspelling). The sight describes them as “intelligent cat-like creature [that] can detect unsavory or suspicious persons”. Well, undoubtedly this describes Crookshanks pretty well, including his innate ability to figure out the nature of somebody.
I also agree with you (as I put in my last post ) that Harry’s accusation that Snape was a coward would inrage him since it seems he actually acted with valor when killing Dumbledore.
I noticed you included my theory about the room of requirement housing a horcrux in your battle theory. We differed, initially, however in what we believe that horcrux is. I did think about the cup but I thought, at first, that Harry probably would have noticed if it was the Hufflepuff cup from the penseive. But it is possible that the preoccupation of hiding the potions book may have stopped Harry noticing. It may be possible that Harry will go back to retrieve the potions book sometime in the seventh book and will discover the horcrux. Another option for the horcrux in the r of r is the tiara (ravenclaw). I just have to believe there is a horcrux in Hogwarts and the room of requirment makes sense. Since Dumbledore seems to have never investigated the room closely it is the only likely spot the horcrux could be hidden.
December 9, 2005
# 150 Becca, very smart theory. in the book there was a date and that was 50 years ago, if im right. and snape is not 50 years old.. so i think you have a point there. hermione says alsoo that it looks like a womans handwriting. so…
December 10, 2005
Any thoughts on the actual fraction of soul contained in Voldemort’s body? If he split his soul in two six times there would be only 1/64th of a whole soul in his body.
December 11, 2005
I think RAB is NOT regulas black. If you think about the sixth book when harry and dd went inside the pesive to the orpfanage when tom riddle scared that girl, amy benson and that boy dennis bishup (pg.268) by taking them into the cave mabie it is amy benson because regulas is suposeivly dead right? So any way i think it is amy and she might be like a whitch but never knew it, found out later and went back looking for the horcrux. thats my guess.
December 11, 2005
Not sure who RAB is, but has anyone considered Amellia Bones? Does she have a first name (Ruth, Rita, Rose, ect.?) that would be the initials RAB?
Also, it was mentioned that Harrys mother had Red hair (a Weasley trait) and that Kreather bowed to George and Fred Weasley and addressed them as “young masters” in OOP.
December 12, 2005
This is the moment everybodies been waiting for. On another journal on this site I read a post from a person from Holland who claims that in the Dutch version of HBP Sirius’ last name is Zwarts instead of Black (meaning Regulus’ last name would be Zwarts also). The reason this is significant is because on the note in the horcrux in the Dutch version the note is initialed R.A.Z instead of R.A.B. This seems to squash all of the other theories on R.A.B’s identity. Obviously the post I read could be fraudulent (why would the last name be changed) but if its true it proves Regulus is indeed R.A.B.
December 12, 2005
R.A.B is sirius brother because in the 5th book when they were cleaning out the house they found a locket that they never opened but he couldn’t have got it alone so i think when he got himself killed the other person kept quiet so they wouldn’t get killed and could go on finding other horcruxes. And I don’t think dumbledore is dead because the whole year, Harry was tought how to say spells in your mind, which snape might have done to dumbldore while saying the avada kadavra curse outloud. Instead of that curse, the one in his head, (the disarming spell) could have hit Dumbledore. That fits because Dumbledore flew off the top of the building, instead of crumpling to the ground, which is what the avada kadavra curse does. Next, the last time you actaully see DD (dumbledore) is when Hagrid is carrying him into the forest, alone. Didn’t DD say he trusted Hagrid with HIS LIFE? and somewhere in the books it mentions there is a poition that makes you look dead for a couple of days.
December 12, 2005
I HAVE A WAY OFF THEORY!!! but i duno it could work.. maybe! just maybe!! the people who took the locket were Regalus Black and Mundungus, but Regalus Black had Mundungus under an imperius curse and made Mundungus drink the poison stuff then took the locket. wrote the note and then swapped it for the fake. Later on mundungus finds out (through Regalus’ death) that Regalus put him under the imperius curse and searches 12 Grimmauld Place to find the REAL locket/horcrux which he now has in his possession
December 13, 2005
Ryan Mundungus is a theif thats why he stole the the locket not because hes part of the horcrux thing, i doubt he even knows what one is
December 14, 2005
i’m just wondering, if you make one horcrux and you would die, you lost one part of youre soul. so, youre not completely dead, but you have another part of youre soul.
when one part is destroyed, are you going to live further in they other soul, or you are creating a sort of a new soul?? I just don’t get it.
hope you understand, tell me
December 14, 2005
the horcruxes
- the diary …. destroyed
- the ring….. destroyed
- the soul that is destroyed?? when he was trying to kill harry
- nagini
- the soul wich Voldemort now has, he has a new body, so a new soul?? ( or am i wrong?
- the locket in grimbauld 12..
do you think this is right? just a thought
December 14, 2005
maybe DD meant by, you can not be killed, if youre already dead, that when he’s is killed, he has a lot of connections, via paintings and such, and that he can be on very much places. then he can’t be killed again, so voldemort can’t do something about that.
December 14, 2005
#415
its a good thought that he made harry a horcrux, beacause he must tread him as a equal.
but on the other hand, dumbledore said that he tread harry as an equal, cause he has choosen him, instead of neville. cause he is the only one wich can destroy voldemort.
December 15, 2005
Two things I wanted to mention that I just saw on Rowling’s website.
1. Rowling makes a point of answering a question about the meaning of “Remember my last” in the howler from Dumbledore to Aunt Petunia. She explains that Dumbledore and Petunia did have contact prior to the death of Harry’s parents and that this is significant to the plot of future books.
2. Rowling also makes a point on her sight that the wording of the prophesy was carefully done. “one cannot live while the other survives” is certainly not clear cut and leaves room for contemplation. Time for me to apply this to my earlier love theory (post #327), does it seem possible that one cannot live while the other survives could mean that they can both live if they help each other to live instead of “surviving”. Think about this, it can be argued that Harry was “living” while Voldermort was only “surviving” for Harry’s stint at the Dursley’s and Hogwarts up to Voldermort’s re-generation. Now it seems that since Voldermort’s return their roles have switched as Harry has been forced to fight for his survival while Voldermort is again living and gaining power. So maybe instead of having to kill each other to insure “living”, they need to instead teach each other to both live happily through their shared capacity love (legacy of the re-generation blood transfer).
December 16, 2005
Well, hello again. Neb is on the right track, I think. It does seem nearly impossible that Harry could actually kill Voldemort, so it could be that that will not happen at all. Some type of compromise might be met, or Voldemort might somehow end the conflict himself ( my guess would be that he would take his own life, but with a dramatic and profound exit and possibly redeeming himself). This theory would go along with the moral theme Rowling is trying to get across.
December 17, 2005
What was it that Regulus backed out of though? Maybe it had something to do with the potters? Also, it is generally accepted that someone else had to be present at Godrics Hollow when Vol de mort tried to kill Harry. Could this be Snape, who tried to warn Dumbledore or possibly (though a little far fatched) Regulus? One more question, what happened to Dumbledore when he drank that potion?- something to do with his boggart?
December 17, 2005
Hey Ginny I just read your post and I was wondering if you read the posts #327-332 where myself and Amrick elaboraed on a theory that may explain Dumbledore’s reaction to the potion. We have a theory that Dumbledore feels responsible for Voldermort’s evil acts (leading him to exclaim “my fault, all my fault”). It seems possible that Dumbledore feels he mishandled Voldermort’s early development and is trying to make up for it with his handling of Harry (who shares a shockingly similar childhood with Voldermort). Another reason it may be true that Dumbledore and Voldermort had a relationship closer than it appears is Dumbledore’s pronouncement “I taught Tom Riddle, I know his style.” It doesn’t seem possible that one teacher could have taught a student enough to have influenced his style that dramatically in normal classes. Also the magic being explored when Dumbledore said this was very advanced (not something you would learn at Hogwarts).
December 18, 2005
One theory is that Harry is the last horocrux. When The Dark Lord killed Lily Evans he saved a piece of his soul in Harry, thats the reason why he can feel stuff that The Dark Lord feels, see his dreams and so on… It would be a ultimate solution by Voldemort, because if someone wants to kill him, they will have to kill Harry, and if Harry is the chosen one, the only one who can kill Voldemort, he cant die…this is just confusing my brain and stuff..but it would be a cool ending if Harry was the last Horocrux ! C U ALL
December 18, 2005
I am in agreement with the majority of the people who have posted, in that I think RAB is Regulus Black. The book states that Regulus was perrsonally killed by Voldemort, what it doesn’t say is what happened to the body. I think that Regulus died, yes, but is now an undead vampire. I also think that he has taken on the name Rufus Scrimgeour. My reasons are stated by Nick Cleary in post #90. In HBP, when Harry goes to the Slughorn’s Christmas party with Luna Lovegood, she comments that she thinks Scrimgeour is a vampire. This may be completely untrue, but Luna could see the Thestrals, even though Harry’s friends thought he was going crazy.
Whatever may be the case, I look forward to book seven.
December 20, 2005
WELL WHAT ABOUT THE MOTTO DRACO DORMIENS NUNQUAM TITILLANDUS ER SUTTIN WELL ANYWAYZ THAT MEANS NEVER TICKLE SLEEPING DRAGONS IF THAT WAS TH S HOOL MOTTO THEN WHY DOES IT BASICALLY REFER TO A SERPENT MEANING THE SLYTHERINHOUSE I THINK ITS A CLUE PLZZZ REPLY
December 21, 2005
Upon reviewing this list I came across ‘What did the Potters do foor a living?’ . One person answered that they believed that Lilly and James where Unspeakables in the Department of Mysteries.
Upon rereading the books again, I was intrigued by the fact that, upon first meating Harry, Ollivander went into such descriptions of James’ and Lilly’s wands. Was there any point to saying that Lilly’s was a great wand for charms or that James had a wand that was good for transfiguration? The only other wand description (besides Voldemort had a very powerfull wand) was that vella hair makes tempermental wands.
I don’t know where the afore mentioned person got the idea that Lilly and James worked in the Department of Mysteries, but if they did, wouldn’t it make sense for Lilly to have worked in the Love room? Could she have discovered some knew charm that wold protect Harry and which few people knew about? Dumbledore said that love was powerful, ancient magic that Voldemort despised, and that was about it. Is Dumbledore not telling us something about Love or about Lilly (he has been known to glaze over or entirely leave out important information before)?
Whitney,
Where did you find the latin moto? I don’t recall any in the books. Please clarify.
December 21, 2005
Anybody else think that Regulus Black was a spy for Dumbledore the whole time?
Regulus’s backing away at orders could in actuallity be a scene in which Voldemort suspects and then hunts down Regulus before Regulus can tell Dumbledore what he knows. Regulus fled and tried to rectify his inabillity to spill the beans on Voldemort by destroying the horcruxes.
December 25, 2005
the latin motto is on the houses symbol. you know the one ravenclaw hufflepuff slytherin and gryffindor in a badge shape. well across the bottom there is a saying that is written in latin so i dont speak it and i looked up the english meaning and thats where i got it
December 26, 2005
I think harry is an horcrux too. I don`t think Voldemort do it in purpose. We know the powers of voldemort so I think maybe voldemort will kill harry but he will become mortal so he can be kill by someone else
December 27, 2005
When Dumbledore refers to love, he means it in a fiuguritive way. If Lily worked in the Love room, then Dumbledore probably would’ve said something about it. As for Regulus being Dumbldore’s spy, that’s kinda what i’ve been thinking for a little while now. Also, Snape has something to do with everything. He comes into play in every aspect of the story and has become one of the central characters. I’ve been doing some research on him and it seems that he will play an absolutely huge role in the seventh book. (Read his file on the Harry Potter lexicon) for a number of reasons.
December 27, 2005
#464: Cast your doubt aside, the post is not fraudulent. Most names in the Dutch translations have been changed (Dumbledore is named Perkamentus - yes, from the Dutch word for parchment, Snape is Sneep, Hermione Granger is Hermelien Griffel, McGonagall is Anderling, Stan Shunpike is Sjaak Stuurman etcetera, etcetera, etcetera). Black is called Zwarts in the Dutch translations, zwart is the Dutch word for the colour black. And indead the initials on the parchment are R.A.Z. in the Dutch version.
December 27, 2005
“On November 19, 2005 the Dutch and Norwegian translations of the book were published. In the Dutch translation, the name Black is translated as Zwart and, as is mentioned above, the abbreviation there is R.A.Z. rather than R.A.B.; likewise, in the Norwegian text, Black is translated as Svaart and in it the note is signed R.A.S. The fact that the translations of R.A.B. and Regulus Black are consistent across language editions gives a lot of support to Regulus that other characters do not have.”
taken from wikipedia
December 27, 2005
hmm my first post went missing…
December 27, 2005
It sounds convincing but my question is how the translater knew how to translate it. Rowling wouldnt give away such an important fake, would she. So maybe it is only a good guess of the translater. By the way, I think that regulus is RAB
December 27, 2005
By the way, Borgin & Burke are called Odius & Oorlof in the Dutch version, professor Binns is professor Kist, so there’s no reference to R.A.Z. for them. Also the A couldn’t mean And, the initials would have to be R.E.Z. in that case (And in Dutch is En).
The A could be from uncle Alphard as suggested in #91, that is translated to Alvoleus, it still fits.
#93: the names of the kids start with B’s in the translation too, again no Z.
I doubt that such an important element would not have been translated correctly, so I think Black is the best guess.
Strange: in my HBP’s the sentence “He cannot kill you if you are already dead” is not there, not in my English version, nor in my Dutch.
Thought: DD sais “I am confident, however, that the only known relic of Gryffindor remains safe” refering to the ruby-encrusted sword. But what about the sorting-hat, I seem to remember that once belonged to Griffindor too?
JKR said in an interview before CoS “There is more to the Sorting Hat than what you have read about in the first three books, readers will find out what the Sorting Hat becomes as they get into future books.”
Could this be a horcrux, although I can’t see how or when V. could have made it a horcrux.
December 28, 2005
I know the evidence is stacked up on Regulus’s side, but he was described as a pretty weak dude, and Dumbledore had to really work to avoid the enchantments set on the cave and the waters around it. It just doesn’t seem like Regulus was that good.
December 28, 2005
Hi, I’m new to this site. I’ve really enjoyed and learned a lot from everyone’s posts. I have a couple of thoughts:
1) Narcissa obviously loves Draco. That she is capable of love has GOT to be significant. Does it also mean something that she (obviously) is not sticking HER neck out to protect Draco, but instead begs Snape to protect him? Of course, he ISin a better position to protect Draco…
2) It must be important that Horace Slughorn has his NEWT Potions class whip up (or attempt to) the Draught of the Living Death.. For one thing, now we know that there IS such a thing. Could Dumbledore have taken it himself, or could Snape have somehow given it to him along with the verbal Avada Kedavra (and maybe a nonverbal something different)?
Yes, I want to believe that Snape is really a good guy. He had a tough childhood–and we don’t hear of his torturing other children. On the contrary, he is tortured by Sirius and James! Perhaps dumbledore was too willing to see the good in James? We haven’t heard anything dcent about him except that he tries to hold off Voldy in order to save Lily and Harry.
A question–is Snape capable of love? did he love Lily?
Petunia obviously loves Dudley. Is Voldy the only one not capable of love?
Is there a parallel here with the Narnian Chronicles? I seem to remember reading that JKR said she was strongly influenced by them? Could there be something in the Harry Potter books–where Dumbledore (a la Aslan) in sacrificing himself, sets off a deeper kind of magic that causes death itself to work backwards? Certainly, if he is sacrificing himself for Harry and Draco, he is giving them the same protection given by Lily to Harry. But it will only work while they can call Hogwarts home, right?
December 28, 2005
rab is sirius’s bro.think about it–would JKR have mentioned regulus’s name only if he wuz important. she could have said “yeah, sirius’s brother was a death eater.” but they said “yeah, sirius’s brother REGULUS was a death eater.” why would they mentioned his name otherwise. as soon as i saw RAB i brainstormed for five minutes on who it could be and i immedietly figured out that r.a.B=black. and so i thought sirius is SB. but he had a brother……what could the name be? weve got an RB so i dont now wut his middle name is but i no for sure that thats the best hint weve gotten.
December 28, 2005
First of all:
I am not sure that Dumbledore is dead, maybe because i don’t want him to die? or what?
But my theori is that Some one has taken a polyjuice potion and that Snape still is good? ..
ITS ONLY I GUESS.
Also i am not that sure that R.A.B is Sirius’ brother, I think that JK will suprice us, with a new person, that in some way are related to one of the main characters..
And i think/hope that he will work with Harry Potter and together they will destroy the Horcruxes…
December 28, 2005
I think Regulus’ whole name is Regulus Arkturus Black…and I am almost sure that he is R.A.B. and don’t care that it is too obvious…maybe that’s what Rowling wants because she knows we have a great imagination and that when we see the initials will think about something not that obvious and maybe even even a crazy guess because we always thing it is someting hidden and she wants to surprise everyone just like the half-blood Prince=Snape… and I think that she is using our imagination against us…
December 28, 2005
O.K.- This theroy has not yet been fully developed, but knowing how JK Rowling writes, I wouldn’t be suprised if it plays in somehow.
So, I think that Regulus Black (Sirius’ brother) stolet he locket, and yadda yadda yadda, all that stuff. But here is something many I over looked the first time I read it. When Harry first hears about Regulus, it is one a family tree, and right next to it is his date of death: ” Some fifteen years previously.” Harry was born ’some 15 years ago’ When has JK Rowling ever been so random, in all other areas she tends to be very precise, so is thier a reason that it is casually thrown in thier?
Rereading: 2 other people who’s initials are R and B. (No middle names known) Rodolphus and Rabastan Black. They were the husband and brother of Sirius’ cousin. Both currently in Azkaban. (briefly mentioned in book 6, page 114)
December 28, 2005
Voldemort was in an orphanage right? So In HBP it refers to the time when as a kid Tom takes 2 kids into the very same cave, and somehhow scares them. Those kids are named Amy Benson and Dennis Bishop. Both names end with B. Totallyposible that its a conicedence, but just a thought. Is it possible that their last name (the B, from RAB) was related to the note. Possibly one of those kids went on to recieve magical training at another school, and thier they decided to defeate Vold.
As for the fact that the note was written to “Lord” I thought that was written sarcastically. Whatever: Thoughts?
December 28, 2005
Rabastan? First three letters–RAB. Hmmmmmm……
December 29, 2005
Jill, if Amy Benson or Dennis Bishop is RAB, than the Dutch translation would be wrong, they are named Annie Bolster and Dennis Brokking in the translation, but the initials are translated to RAZ. Perhaps JKR let their surnames start with B with the intent to put the reader on that track. I think it’s more likely the translator overlooked that intent (if that’s what it is) than to make a mistake in translating the all important RAB to RAZ. I think the translator knows who RAB/RAZ is and is not having a guess.
B.t.w. My previous thought on the sorting hat is denied by JKR on her site: “Horcruxes do not draw intention to themselves by singing songs in front of large audiences”.
December 29, 2005
i think harry potter is the last hororcuex and he has to sacrifice hiself in order to kill voldy
December 29, 2005
Hi, I am a new-comer and I just read through allthe messages and I was quite impressed with the innovative thinking. Well here is what I think:
I, like most of you agree about R.A.B being Regulus. Secondly, I agree that Snape is o the good side and he killed Dumbledore on DD’s orders, so he could fulfill hid Unb. Vow and gain Voldy’s confidence.
and yes DD is dead, but look at the postulates, now he will have potraits all over the wizarding world, so he may be able to help Harry better, by suppling information. Also DD(potrait) could convince Harry and the other members of the OOTP that Snape was still on their side (if he wants them to know) I think Neville will have a significant role, not due to the prophecy but only towards the end of Bellatrix, maybe.
To Copper Pheonix #441:
I dont think that hogwarts will be used by Voldy, neway the battle you pictured seems really interesting.
If anyone has any info about the release of the 7th book please let me know here at Binary Moon.
Last but not the least, great work Ben, I am rally happy to see the way you maintain the site, coz there is no junk or bulls***. I do think you should contact previous viewers like Amrick, KPH, Neb etc. If possible, to continue formulating theories till the book is finally out, coz I think they will add a new dimension for your site. They can create frames of what might happen in book 7, bt when the plot turns out to be diff, your readers will enjoy the surprise more than others.
December 29, 2005
Here’s a really really really crazy idea:
What if R.A.B. isn’t a person at all? (Rule #1: things are never what they seem with JKR…)What if it’s a spell, or an incantation, or something like that? So far, all the spells have had Latin roots, right? Could it be something like “Returnir Ad Bonus” (”Return To Good”)? Please forgive my abominable Latin, i never studied it at school, just looked some up on the internet.
Anybody out there know Latin?
Can you come up with anything?
December 29, 2005
OK I am going to write something that has really bothered me for a long time because I have a feeling it may be significant to the seventh book. I was wondering if anyone else remembered the text on the back of Dumbledore’s chocolate frog card and its assertion that Dumbledore helped Nicholas Flamel with his work on alchemy (and presumably his final creation of the philosopher’s stone). If this is true it seems likely that Dumbledore was just under 700 years old like Flamel himself as it seems that to have worked with Flamel on the original stone he would have had to have been born within Flamel’s first 70 years or so (before Flamel could die a natural death without help from the stone). Could it be possible that Dumbledore not only sealed Flamel’s death with the creation of the stone, but also his own? Maybe living for such a long time explains Dumbledore’s profound insight on the true nature of death and led Dumbledore to succumb to death without complaint if he felt it could somehow benifit the cause of the order of the phoenix. Maybe Dumbledore knew his natural death was near without the elixir of life from the sorcerors stone. The only problem with this theory is that Dumbledore showed noticeable signs of aging from Voldermort’s chilhood to Harry’s (his hair color changing from auburn to gray). But it does seem that Dumbledore’s aging process accleerated after the first book as Harry comments starting with the fourth book and into the fifth and sixth showed. I’m still not sure what the significance of this long life would be but I would like to hear what people think of the theory.
December 30, 2005
I’ve heard people saying stuff (and not just on this site) about Dumbledore having made himself a horcux in Fawkes or something but come on, I mean Slughorn says to split your soul is like comiting a terrble crime against nature itself and you become dammed from the moment it takes place, you can’t just create horcuxes willy nilly at the drop of a hat. it is a terrible and unnatural form of magic and Dumbledore wouln’t split his soul. other than those ones theres some damm good ideas flying around here, keep it up.
December 30, 2005
Wow, Neb, I feel like an idiot for not having noticed that one. Good spotting, that! And it raises all kinds of other questions. Was Dumbledore around when Hogwarts was started? Did he KNOW the founders of Hogwarts? What’s to stop him from creating another philosopher’s stone? What if someone uses the time-turner to go back in time to help Merope? Would Voldemort have turned out differently if he’d had a loving mother? Is that why Dumbledore was so interested in perusing Voldemort’s history—to see if it could have turned out differently?
More questions–will Dumbledore’s portrait be able to talk to Harry? Does that only work with Hogwarts headmasters? What if someone painted portaits of Harry’s parents? Or Sirius?
I keep rereading the boooks, thiking I’ll gain insight–but I just end up with more questions!
December 30, 2005
oh yeah and regardless of Harry being a horcrux or not I still think he will die in the end, there have been references of it since the Philosopher’s stone. I know Treylawney is crazy but in book one during harrys first encounter with Firenze, Bane and Ronan, Bane asks Firenze what he told harry saying “Remember firenze, we are sworn not to set ourselves against the heavens. have we not read what is to come in the movments of the planets?”. And I think Severus is still on the good side and acted on Dumbledores orders to kill him if he must, he might not be the nicest guy but Dumbledore Knows real evil having tought and had a duel with Tom, and Snape isn’t evil just bitter. then again I could be wrong about harrys death as the prophecy implies that only one must die. I also think that it would spoil the story if Dumbledore came back as it would lift the sevierity of the situation. oh and incase you didn’t know the name Voldemort is French meaning “flight from death” indicating Voldemort’s fear of death, it should also be pronounced without the T as Rowling does herself even if they do pronounce the T in the movies. R.A.B is Regulus Arctulus Black, Rowling said this was his middle name in an interveiw. Also Regulus can be translated to “cor leonis” in latin, it is a star in the Leo constolation at the centere of the lion’s heart wich could mean Regulus wasn’t really a coward (lion heart) and sacrificed him self in an attemept to take take the horcrux and eventually destroy it but can’t figure out how do open it (the un-openable locket in Gimmauld place) before he is caught and killed. Also i believe that Mundungus does not sell the locket to the barkeeper of the Hogs head but gives it to him for safekeeping as the barkeeper is actually Aberforth Dumbledore, Albus’ brother as rowling has stated in an interveiw. Phew I think thats about it at the moment,sorry its abit long so thanks for reading it and tell me your thoughts.
December 30, 2005
Look I think Neb and Amrick have had the best theories yet but…..I think your playing around too much that the idea of Dumbledore would have a horcrux. With all due respect i have read you posts and see that you have said yourselves for it to be unlikley and i thinnk the undieing soul in Fawkes is a great point but i just cant see Dumbledore doing it even with the Grindolwold theory, he wasnt an innocent and to make a horcux i think it would have to be from an act of overwhelming cruelty and killng in cold blood wich Dumbledore would never do. To tear ones soul apart is to mutilate yourself in such a way that you are “less human”. It is implied that the result of Voldemort’s continuous vandilsim of his own soul is what leads him to look so inhuman. I agree that sharing Harrys blood will undoubtebly prove highly important but the idea of teaching him to love is absured, he isn’t even human anymore and his consumed by power and the magical ties with his horcruxes make him more magic than he is man as he is (or at some point was) tied to seven of them and he only has 1/7 of a soul bringing meaning to Hagrids comment in chapter four book 1 on page 46 “some say he died.Codswallop in my oppinion. Dunno if he had enough human left in him to die”. The fact is that he will nevr feel a single bit of remorse for any of his actions. He is too wrapped up in hate and a self loathing misery. the fact that in book 6 when Dumbledore visits him in the orphanage and he seems distaned at the sound of the name Tom he shares with others shows that even at this age he wants to be dissconnected with anything that gives him any kind of affinity with other people, seeing himself as above such things.Of course Dumbledore sees this but thinks he could learn to let people in at Hogwarts and maybe make freinds but as you know he doesn’t and never will. He isn’t human enough to love anymore.
December 30, 2005
Ppl after reading abt the dutch translations of the HBP, I think the RAB isue is quite over, I mean if it is done by professional, he wouldnt jus put any sorta initials n stuff, and JKR wouldn wanna mislead her readers (even if they are Dutch), so she could have told the translators who RAB is or something like that, even if it meant revealing some secret.
What do you ppl think????
December 30, 2005
MF#502
I dont think time-turners would be an option, because, like in POA, whatever events took place in a particular time period, were true for all, like it was Harry and not his father who created the Patronaus and Buckbeak nver actually died, etc. So if something has already taken place in someway, it cannot be undone. And Nhl Nick explaind stuff abt ghosts and potraits to harry in the end of OOTP, if u read it again ud know that Harrys parents and Sirius cant be visible in potraits, etc.
December 30, 2005
I still think it’s possible that R.A.B. stands for something other than a person’s name…
December 30, 2005
Yeah, it could be an organization or secret society or whatever. Everybody’s all shouting Regulus like it is the answer, but it just seems too easy to work out.
December 30, 2005
Did anyone read my post (#501) about Dumbledore’s age. I want to see if anyone thinks it is possible, or significant.
December 30, 2005
Ok I am pretty sure abt RAB, but then its ur decision, and abt the secret society and stuff, If it was a secret society, why would the note refer to the writer as I, and if it is a society, maybe there would be a mention abt it in earlier books r sumthin. So much for RAB, lets not get into debates abt him/it/them.
What do you people think about Bill being scratched and wounded by Fenrir GB. Maybe thats also got something to do with the future plot, maybe like there is a occasion Harry (or Ron) has to fight him.
And the thing abt the muggle PM, he also may have some part to play, maybe to deveat voldy, wizards might have to take the help of muggles coz just like mentioned before JK likes to link stuff from previous books. And its official that this book was just the intro to the next, it may have lotz of relevant stuff.
December 30, 2005
Hey Neb, anything is possible, but if DD was actually that old, it would be tough for the makers of those cards to miss that fact…. But then if it is used later, dont you think it would apper sorta blunt that in 6 years, no wizard ever spoke to Harry ant DD being like 700
December 30, 2005
Yes, Neb, I noticed (see my post–#503)! I think you did catch something important. JKR wouldn’t have made a mistake like THAT!!!!!!
December 31, 2005
i agree with the people who say that maybe snape really did have to kill dumbledore. snape has proved in books before that he’s just trying to help. Like in the first book, when querrill tried to kill harry, snape was trying to save him. Everyones first thought was that snape was trying to kill harry. So, that being said, the first though is that snape is guilty. But, maybe like before, we are all wrong in believing that snape is responsible and he really did have a reason for killing dumbledore. i dont know if that sounds like i’m just copying what everyone else is saying but i just wanted to say so anyway.Also about RAB, i think its possible that its sirius’ brother because JKR always forshadows people, events, and things. That would lead us only to a conclusion that it is him or its not. i just cant wait till the next book!! just to give poeple a suggestion, by reading the books over and over agian, you come to understand things more that happened in HBP even in the FIRST book it forshadows things that will happen later on, and actually do in the most recent books. So that was just an idea.
January 1, 2006
i rekon it was a bit weak the wad DD was killed. Im thinking it was planned so Snape could get closer to Vol to help harry in the end were he ends up helping Harry to kill Vol. there is more to Ginny than meets the eye and R.A.B thing is a red H.
January 1, 2006
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January 1, 2006
Cpt. Cool 504-
If the locket in Grimmauld Place was THE locket, why would it still be unopenable? Haha!
January 1, 2006
As for the mention of Fenrir Greyback in an earlier post, wouldn’t it make more sense if Lupin and/or bill killed him, because he was the one who bit them. I just remembered that one of the OWL examiners said that he remembered Dumbledore as a student and said, “Did things with a wand that i’ve never seen before,” or something like that. Sorry Neb and co. No immortal Dumby
January 1, 2006
I agree that DD would never make horcruxes himself.
Oh, yeah. Just because Regulus’ name means brave heart or whatever doesn’t mean that he switched his allegiance. All parents give their children named with lofty meanings. I mean, its not like they would name him something that meant “poopy traitor boy” in latin or anything. Especially in a family as high on themselves as the Blacks.
Also, Harry or Voldemort has to die. THose who think Harry is going to die are either very depressed and pessimistic or just ignorant. Sorry if that was harsh.
At this point, I am almost sure that Snape is good. He has saved both Harry and DD countless times when he could have just let them die or kill them and was almost certainly in love with Lily. Those who can love are not usually tied so closely with evil (especially in HP). Snape’s love for Lily drove him to fight for her values and totally explains his hatred for both Harry and James.
Slughorn, who DD praised as a very skilled wizard and immaculate potion maker, might turn fully into the good side to redeem himself for stirring the interest in horcruxes that led Voldemort to become partly immortal and possibly become Harry’s guide on his quest to destroy the horcruxes.
January 1, 2006
Correct me if i’m wrong, but when Snape killed Dumbledor didnt Dumbledor say: “Severus.. Please”
Instead of saying “Severus.. Please Don’t”
I may think that Snape and Dumbledor has a “secret” friendship, and that Snape knew that Dumbledor was going to die anyway. And that Dumbledor would wrather die in “fight” then die as an old man!
And when Snape ran from Harry after killing Dumbledor he kept screaming ” No… have you forgotten our orders? Potter belongs to the Dark Lord - we are to leave him ! Go! Go!”
Maybe Snapes trying to protect Harry in that moment
January 2, 2006
No, No, No! It’s (R)eberta (A)milia (B)ones!
January 2, 2006
okay a random theory abt. the whole harry-is-a-horcrux thing…voldemort wanted to make a horcrux when he went to godric’s hollow…he killed james,and wanted to make it in harry (the boy who he decided the prophecy was about)…altho DD says its not preferable to make one in a living being, who knows with V…so he asks lily to move aside, because he already killed james and will be able to make the horcrux. But lily refuses, and thus transfers the power of love to harry…since V did not expect this protection, he is unable to hurt harry, and can only mark him with the scar. So the plan is foiled, and V also loses his powers (how I dont know!). Early in Book 1, DD says to McGonagall that they can only guess about what went on that night. Although I dont really think Harry was intended to be a horcrux, V saw lily’s killing as being unecessary; which prompted me to come up with this!
January 2, 2006
hi.this is my first post…i must say its a pleasure to read all the other posts…there are lots of great thoughts here…i personally had a few ideas and would like to share them here..
Here is what i think….i heard someone somewhere saying that in the end harry is going to show voldemort the error of his ways ..or in other words remove the evil outta him..wonder how that could be done?…if we think about the real reason behind tom riddles turn to the evil isnt it hidden in his past…i mean his childhood .On the night of his return in Gof if we’d remember didnt he get all sentimental about his dad betraying his mom….but later on we learn that it was not the truth as dd showed us and harry …so he certainly has sum misconceptions about his family….maybe if harry cud show him the truth ..and make him realise the true love that tom’s mother had for his muggle father (which ultimately led to her death and caused her father to turn away)…his core hatred towards love would decrease sumhow…any views?although i cud be completely wrong
again i had a doubt about snape which i was hoping to get some answers on..i re read Gof and found something interesting…in the trial that harry sees in the pensieve..we hear karkaroff saying snape’s name and DD defending him saying “Severus Snape
was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemort’s downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk.”…..REJOINED? does it mean to say that he was originally on the order’s side??…also DD says that snape joined the order prior to VD’s downfall…but i thought DD said to harry later that snape felt remorse over the killing of his parents and thus joined our side.but wasnt that the day of downfall of DD..which means to say that snape joined the orders side after the downfall of VD…which completely contradicts what dd is sayin…..can anybody clarify this???(iam not really good at explaining things so forgive me if i sound all confusing)
also as someone pointed out earlier snape’s mom eileen prince and tom riddle shud hav been together at hogwarts during the same year rite….in that case i believe there should hav been some kindof connection between them..not that iam saying tom riddle would hav been in love with her or anything but jk doesnt usually put in a name without anymeaning….also this would explain to sum extent the reason why voldemort trusts snape so much because nobody ever put much thought into what snape did to earn so much trust from Vd…any views?
January 2, 2006
the knight bus driver (stan shunpike) is definitely voldemort in disguise. if u think i am wrong, here are my reasons:
1 the portrait of the fat woman who was defiled by sirius in the 4nd book said that the death eaters inspected every stop made by the knight bus, and that they like rasberry cream pie.
2 remember when stan told harry that he was voldemort in disguise? that may mean something.
3 i also heard that in the 7th book barny rubble makes a guest appearance as a horcrux, and the 1,655,732nd word was: ate. that may be exactly the kind of proof that we need. ya dig?
(please put this in because i told my friend that i knew you because she is your biggest fan and so i need to have something on your site. pleasy pleasy pleasy please.
January 2, 2006
Everyone - you can all stop now. Dave has clearly solved everything. With evidence like this there is no need for the final book.
January 2, 2006
word
January 2, 2006
but on a more serious note:
i have a question: was snape really half-blood, and it is kind of wierd that if he was that the death eaters let him join at all, because he did not even try to hide being half blood. this must mean that none of them know how powerful he is…and so he will kill them all maybe…. and i second the thing about fred and george i think they are very powerful and it will be a great showdown hopefully, like superbowl XXVI.
January 3, 2006
Dave, I wholeheartedly agree. You are a one-of-a-kind thinker. i can’t wait for the showdown between fred and george and the death eaters. By golly, that is a great matchup! Okely dokely. Tell me what you think, dave.
January 3, 2006
post #522 is thinking along the same pattern that I am (post 463). Amelia Bones was head of magical law enforcement and is now reported to be one of V’s most recent victims as reported in the Daily Profitt in HBP, and her neice Susan Bones was a member of the DA. The note in the locket says that the writer of it expects to be dead by the time this note is discovered.
Also, in OOP, when they were cleaning out the glass cabinets in the drawing room (the noble and most ancient house of black chapter) they discovered a many-legged pair of tweezers that scutteled up Harry’s arm like a spider when he picked it up, and Sirius seized it, and smashed it with a heavy book entitled “Nature’s Nobility: A Wizarding Genealogy” This book should contain all the info Harry needs to find out who is related to who. I think Harry will return to Grimmauld Place and discover lots of things Kreatcher has stashed away, and remember, Lilly had red hair just like the Weasleys.
January 3, 2006
#108 has hit the nail on the head brilliantly!!
January 3, 2006
Regulus APLPHARD Black is the full name, I read it somewhere on the net,
But I also think that maybe the A in RAB could stand for “And” as two people are needed to get through the green potion.
In the note it said about “I face death in the hope that one day you will be mortal”… so the person knew that they would die trying to aquire the horcrux. Regulus was a coward so why would he want to risk his life in order to kill voldemort.
I agree also with harry being a horcrux himself…maybe it was voldemorts plan all along to make Harry into a horcrux because even if someone killed voldemorts body (be it harry) then he would still be alive and no one would think of harry being a horcrux, only when harry died would voldemort then be able to die.
January 3, 2006
I MAY HAVE STUMBLED ON A CLUE!!!!
Okay, this might be a little far-fetched but:
The name of the Ministry Apparitions Instructor is Wilkie Twycross. For starters, Wilkie is an unusual name. The only other time I’ve run across it was Willkie Collins, author of “The Moonstone.” Read on:
””’The Moonstone””’ (1868) by Wilkie Collins is a 19th-century sensation novel, which is as well now sometimes considered to be the first mystery novel in the English language. It tells the story of events surrounding the disappearance of a mysterious yellow diamond, upon which a curse was placed. The novel is told the story in the view of a first person narrative. The responsibility of narrating, however is passed to several characters throughout the book. This lends to many different viewpoints creating an enthralling novel. The book is widely regarded as the precursor of the modern mystery and suspense novels. T. S. Eliot called it the first, the longest, and the best of modern English detective novels. It contains a number of ideas which became common tropes of the genre, including a crime being investigated by talented amateurs who happen to be present when it is committed,…. In his later years, Collins grew severely addicted to laudanum and as a result suffered from paranoid delusions, the most notable being his conviction that he was constantly accompanied by a doppelganger he dubbed Ghost Wilkie. The novel is also examined nowadays from a post-colonial viewpoint, as its portrayal of three mysterious Indians who play an integral role in its plot seems unusually positive for a book of its time.
And Twycross–could that be an allusion to a “triple-cross?” Is Snape not just double-crossing, but triple-crossing? And which side does that put him on? (Whom did he first double-cross?) Where does Malfoy figure into this?
Anybody?
January 3, 2006
Imagine if harry put some of his thoughts into a pensieve then he could show people some truly important events and even be able to put his own thoughts into perspective… his meetings with voldemort…he could even dig around for the memory of when voldemort tried to “kill” him and see what really happened.
maybe people from the order would be able to understand the memories more than harry can and maybe that way they can get more information on horcruxes and ultimately on how to defeat voldemort.
#108 Amrick you got some really good theories there!
January 3, 2006
this is just i thought…. but could their be some simalarities between dumbledores defeat against ‘the great dark wizard grindelwald’ and harry’s task, mabey this is why dumbledore feels so close to harry??
right hagrid says in book 1 that voldemort started getting followers about 20 years ago. dumbledore defeated grindelwald in 1945( on chocolate frog card~ has given information before?!), how old would dumbledore have been when he defeated him??? could this give us clues, eg did dumbledore face a horcux???
and one last thing before i go does anyone know anything about the word grindelwald- meenings ect.
January 3, 2006
Personaly, I think Harry IS a horcrux. Weather it is him or his scar im not sure, but I think this would be smart for Voldemort to do, because if Harry had “defeated” voldemort he really wouldnt’ have unless he is able to kill himself. I know you may be thinking why would voldemort want to kill one of his own horcruxes, but after killing Harry wouldn’t he just be able to go and make another because he had killed another person? Not only would this add and extreme effect on the story, but it would almost put through the whole love theme. Because Harry would have to have enough courage to be able to kill himself for the sake of the rest of the wisarding world, and also the muggles. By killing himself he would be doing something a lot like his mom did, and how she died for Harry. If JKR did this i think it would make an amazing ending and would be a good way to end the book (even though i dont want harry to die!)
Next, at first I was so convinced that RAB was Regulas, but now after seeing some of the posts, im thinking it might be Amelia Bones. Because its always said how regulas was such a coward and all and i dont know if he would go through all that trouble if he really is. #530 says most of this backing it up more and I agree with you 100%!
Also the whole “dumbledore is not dead” thing, I mean come on guys you knew it was gonna happen, get over it hes dead! You know it would ruin the book if he WAS alive, because it would be no good if dumbledoor did evrything for harry. Im sure in the next book harry will talk to him and get advice threw his portrait in the school, but hes not in hiding or still out there in anyway!
Snape… im still not really sure what to belive about this man. Personaly i think hes good, but i dont know, i could be TOTALLY wrong! I think DD death was all a set up and that is why they were fighting. Also when the other death eaters were there he was polite in almost a funny way, showing them he doesnt care if he dies or not. But when snape came he started “pleading” i think this was him saying you need to kill me instead of please dont. Cause if they didnt plan it he would have done the same thing with snape as all the others. Also DD was serioulsy stalling with them so they wouldnt kill him before snape came.
Feel free to reply on what you think and all!!
January 3, 2006
holly i fink u r right, this is very farfetched but maybe DD had a phrochey just like harrys hence the reason he is so close to harry and has helped him alot
January 3, 2006
What I want to know is why didn’t Fawkes at least try to rescue DD if he was in real danger. Fawkes always comes up with a way to appear and save DD or Harry, even when it seems impossible (ie the Chamber o Secrets). If DD didn’t want to die, then Fawkes would’ve come to help him (maybe pick up his wand and give it to him). It makes it seem like DD set it up w/ Snape or it happened so quickly and unexpectedly that Fawkes didn’t have time to react.
January 5, 2006
#536: It cant be amelia Bones, for two reasons. 1. because her middle name is Susan. 2. The Swedish and Dutch words for “bone” are ben and schonk. This goes against the Swedish and Dutch versions, whose initials are RAS and RAZ. The workfor Black in Swedish and Dutch, is Svaarn and Zwarn.
It has to be a black.
So Whic Black?
a) RAB = Regulus (A?) Black. It is traditional Brit custom to give your son’s middle name as your uncle, and Regulus’ uncles name is Alphard. Regulus is the front runner and he could very well be the one (explained below)
b) some other Black that there is no way for us to know
c) (R?) Alphard Black (the aforementioned Sirius’ uncle). We know he is Sirius’ uncle, because Sirius said so. Alphard was a good wizard, and was supposedly a strong one.
Thanks!
January 5, 2006
Args against Args against Regulus Black:
1) He was a weak magician
-If he did it with his house elf Kreacher, he could probably have beenable to get the locket. The boat, remember, could only hold one adult wizard, but it didnt say anyhting about an underage wizard (Harry) or another magical creater (a house elf). Plus, we know that house elves have magical powers magicians dont.
-We now that weak magicians can do lots of things without being good at strong spells (see Gilderoy Lockhart)
-Its possible that Regulus was trusted to hide the locket like Malfoy was trusted with the Diary. In this case, Regulus could have had a changeof heart once he realized LVs intentions.
OR
the same agruments could be used with R. Alphard Black
THANKS! If anyone has anything else, lemme know
January 5, 2006
BTW, there’s nothing in the book that Regulus middle name is Alphard. Anything on the web is just someone making an assumption.
January 5, 2006
Actually Jason its (R)eberta (A)melia (B)ones, her middle name is not susan.
January 6, 2006
Msh - Actually her name is Amelia Susan Bones. You’ve pulled the Reberta bit out of nowhere.
In fact there’s an article on Wikipedia that looks at the translations of all the different characters names, and wether the names fit or not.
January 6, 2006
A lot of you are saying that rab cant be regulus because he was weak.
Think about who the reference for this information is: It was Sirius and he isnt objective when it comes to members of his family, is he?
What I mean is, its probably just Sirius own opinion because he couldnt stand regulus because he was a death eater and the “perfect son” in their parents eyes.
So that why the argument regulus was to dumb or weak doesnt could in my opinion
January 7, 2006
Dumbledore himself said that It would take more than 1 person 2 retrieve the locket so it could verry well B Rookwood, Avery, Bode.
January 7, 2006
I’m going to close the comments on this because the same things are being said repeatedly. I’ll do a summary post later so that you can continue the conversation. For now you can check out the Harry Potter Category for the other Harry Potter posts on Binary Moon.
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